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STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Coffins with frost on the windows.

That dog never did hunt. Khansicles, people. Khansicles. The game was up right there. :lol:


I assumed they were coffins right up till a few days ago. The coffins could have been from the attack on Starfleet. The frost could be because they preserved the bodies, or some sort of futuristic method of preparing the body. Easy.
 
Coffins with frost on the windows.

That dog never did hunt. Khansicles, people. Khansicles. The game was up right there. :lol:

Well, there were some who thought one of the vague faces had ridges on its forehead like Klingons. But that was unlikely, so yeah, the jig was up then.

Didn't the very first teaser have the hands on the glass scene? Turns out that months before release, we got a glimpse of what a lot of folks vehemently dismissed as anything but what it turns out to be:
Kirk's death scene.
 
To me, Benedict Cumberbatch resemble Phillip Pine, the person that play Colonel Green, then he does Ricardo Montalban.
 
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If people want to continue comparisons with TWOK, bringing Kirk back to life with Khan's blood at the end of the movie is the "Genesis device going off" moment. Makes one wonder if Kirk will feel any deleterious effects from the blood in the next movie.

He'll have the uncontrollable urge to wear fine Corinthian leather and open a secluded island resort.
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I have to say that the 'magic blood' combined with the uber-star destroyer Vengeance has me a bit concerned. But like anything else it'll all be in the execution.
 
At this point, all the squabbling about magic blood, coffins, Khan supermen and Section 31 uber-sized starships is fanboi nonsense.

What I am really looking forward to is...
Kirk's death. The story is what Kirk would do for those he cares about deeply - his crew. I want to go on this journey. I want to see how the creators turn TWOK on its head by making Kirk the sacrifice at the end. I want to see Spock's reaction to Kirk's death. This has great story written all over it.
 
I have to say that the 'magic blood' combined with the uber-star destroyer Vengeance has me a bit concerned. But like anything else it'll all be in the execution.

I don't know, a ship like the Vengeance makes sense in the post-Vulcan era and after confronting a ship like Nero's (which was only a civilian mining ship). I'm sure Starfleet has its version of Area 51 and is keeping even a few more secrets.

Don't like the name of the ship, though.

To me, the "magic blood" is problematic and one of the lesser things about some of the technology shown in Trek that's ever bothered me.
 
I have to say that the 'magic blood' combined with the uber-star destroyer Vengeance has me a bit concerned. But like anything else it'll all be in the execution.

Magic blood is indeed weird but remember that we all accepted that Spocks dead body was shot in a torpedo tube into the surface of genesis and then regenerated itself into a baby then a child then back to an adult of the exact same age Spock used to be all in the space of a day or two.. Co-incidentally the planet destroyed itself in the exact same time span and co-incidentally the enterprise turned up at just the right time after being on a long journey home for weeks. A few hours later and they would've turned up at a pile of rubble where a planet used to be.. Yet magic blood is somehow a no no. And that's only TSFS. There is 750 episodes and movies of these weird things !

Trek is very strange really...

The issues I have are the switcharoo, what Spock shouts and the fact they are retreading old ground. I have no doubt that I will enjoy this movie when all is said and done. Spoilers laid out on a page can be a bitter pill to swallow when you don't actually see the movie !

I am contradicting myself a lot in this thread when I think about it. Clearly reading the spoilers was a bad idea ! Just show me the movie already.
 
At this point, all the squabbling about magic blood, coffins, Khan supermen and Section 31 uber-sized starships is fanboi nonsense.

What I am really looking forward to is...
Kirk's death. The story is what Kirk would do for those he cares about deeply - his crew. I want to go on this journey. I want to see how the creators turn TWOK on its head by making Kirk the sacrifice at the end. I want to see Spock's reaction to Kirk's death. This has great story written all over it.

I think Kirk's death bothers me too. Not that he dies, but that they bring him back (and Kirk is my favorite character in all of Trek). It seems cheap and that Trek is once again hitting the reset button on a major change.

Once again, it'll all come down to execution.
 
I think Kirk's death bothers me too. Not that he dies, but that they bring him back (and Kirk is my favorite character in all of Trek). It seems cheap and that Trek is once again hitting the reset button on a major change.

Once again, it'll all come down to execution.

It's a minor reset button IMO. How many time travel stories did we see where they use that plot device to solve a problem. A great example is in Star Trek IV .... why didn't they talke the whales back to an earlier point in history - deposit them - so the alien probe would have never showed up and presumably a lot of people wouldn't have died?
 
I'll put this in spoilers because it has a reveal some may not want to know, but there's something about one well known part of TWOK that was replicated in STID that amuses me:

In TWOK, Kirk's now famous and almost comic shout, "Khaaaaaaaan!" was insincere. He was selling his plight to Khan. He knew everything was OK because he knew the Enterprise would be back for them, shortly.

However, when Spock yells, "Khaaaaaaaan!" in STID, there's real feeling to it, because it's a crying out over Kirk's death. In a way, it's too bad it will invoke the memories of Kirk's yell in TWOK because Spock's moment will be truly powerful. He's not faking it.
 
I think Kirk's death bothers me too. Not that he dies, but that they bring him back (and Kirk is my favorite character in all of Trek). It seems cheap and that Trek is once again hitting the reset button on a major change.

Once again, it'll all come down to execution.

It's a minor reset button IMO. How many time travel stories did we see where they use that plot device to solve a problem. A great example is in Star Trek IV .... why didn't they talke the whales back to an earlier point in history - deposit them - so the alien probe would have never showed up and presumably a lot of people wouldn't have died?

Star Trek has had a ton of funky plot logic over the decades, I don't think anyone can argue otherwise. But I was hoping with three years to write the movie, that the plot gimmicks wouldn't be quite so transparent.
 
Hey, guys - remember the first shot of the cryogenic chambers that came out months ago through official channels? The ones with the frost on their little windows? What did people think they were other than cryogenic chambers?

I thought they could've been mortuary chambers because of the sequencing of the edit. First they showed a Federation flag being folded, and then they showed that. But the room didn't look like a morgue really. Nor did it really look like a ship like the Botany Bay. I'm guessing it's where Khan's followers were being held on earth in some sort of bunker, but I haven't read the full synopsis of the movie. Is it actually known where this room is and who those two people are?
 
At this point, all the squabbling about magic blood, coffins, Khan supermen and Section 31 uber-sized starships is fanboi nonsense.

What I am really looking forward to is...
Kirk's death. The story is what Kirk would do for those he cares about deeply - his crew. I want to go on this journey. I want to see how the creators turn TWOK on its head by making Kirk the sacrifice at the end. I want to see Spock's reaction to Kirk's death. This has great story written all over it.

I think Kirk's death bothers me too. Not that he dies, but that they bring him back (and Kirk is my favorite character in all of Trek). It seems cheap and that Trek is once again hitting the reset button on a major change.

Once again, it'll all come down to execution.

It doesn't bother me. Neither does...
How they bring him back to life.

I'm looking forward to both.

But yes, it is about execution. Nemesis was an example of execution done poorly.
 
It's kind of funny that for all the secrecy, so many people here and on Trekmovie.com practically pieced together the plot from the trailers. Then there's the fact that apparently the villain's identity leaked out really early, and Cumberbatch's casting is the only thing that kept it from being suspected in any way - it leant his real identity some plausible deniability.

My disappointment in the spoilers isn't in the plot... it's in the total lack of surprise. For all of Abrams' intent on surprising us, I feel like I already saw the movie several months ago. I was hoping that the spoilers would indicate that all of the pieced together evidence was wrong, but it isn't. Abrams actually laid everything right out on the table early on.

I'm still going to see it though, probably several times in the theaters, and in all likelihood, I'm going to love it. I think I already do - because it's a pretty novel approach and I love seeing a different approach. IMO, this *is* how the same character would be written in this time and it fits Greg Cox's "Bond villain" approach to the character. The nature of warfare has changed.

Why did he specifically have to be Khan, though? Would the film have really been missing anything if he wasn't?

How do you all feel about the different personality and characterization portrayed by Cumberbatch, vs Montalban? That he seems like a different person?

It doesn't matter in the end, to me, I'm probably going to see the film five plus times in the theaters while it's out. :)
 
Here's the thing: Abrams and his gang of writers made this movie for the mass audience, not for us. In doing so, they decided to retell the Khan story.

Every fanboi I've seen is upset. Abrams & Co. don't give a shit that you're upset. They wanted to use Khan and they cast Cumby because he guarantees good gate.

So cut the crap. This is about money and Paramount making a return on their investment in Bad Robot. Enough of the Sheeple will see this film and it will work for them for Paramount to greenlight a third film with Cumby back as the Khanster.

You know? I have to agree. And it's made even more brutally opportunistic by the fact that they didn't kill Cumberbatch's Khan. Wonder what K&O are planning for the next one.

Listen, I want to see this movie badly. And I'm sure I'll enjoy it. More than that, I want my dad (who's all of 86 and a Trek fan for a long time and with whom I have the deepest Trekkie connection in my life) to enjoy it like he enjoyed ST09. If that happens, I'm okay.

But for the next movie, I want K&O ko-d. I want other writers.
 
But yes, it is about execution. Nemesis was an example of execution done poorly.

Nemesis was more than simple poor execution - it was bad everything. Poor writing, bad plot - which was filled with holes - and even medicore acting from everyone including IMO Stewart which is unusual for him.

It is the only Trek film I've ever sat through in the theatre where I was hoping it would end soon.
 
What I am really looking forward to is...
Kirk's death. The story is what Kirk would do for those he cares about deeply - his crew. I want to go on this journey. I want to see how the creators turn TWOK on its head by making Kirk the sacrifice at the end. I want to see Spock's reaction to Kirk's death. This has great story written all over it.

Kirk's death and Khan's little smug message to Spock video makes me wonder if Spock going to beat the shit out of Khan especial since the Spock yelling clip in the video makes it look like he is beyond pissed off
 
Is anyone else feeling this is more an homage to Greg Cox's Khan than the TOS/WOK Khan?

How do you feel about this guy having such a different personality and characterization from the other guy?
 
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