College: Gender Studies (Feminism Discussion)

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: College: Gender Studies

And junxon, this pretty much sums you up:


"Activism on behalf of the human rights of men and boys is difficult for several different reasons. One of the most obvious is a public narrative which takes the following form.

• We live in a patriarchy;
• Therefore women, and not men are oppressed;
• Men are elevated and advantaged;
• Therefore anyone advocating male human rights is really driven by misogyny;
• And so, men’s rights organizations are hate organizations".

This narrative is incorrect; that is the point.

That narrative is not incorrect, at least in the broad strokes. Why do you claim it is? What is your evidence? Don't link to blogs, use your own words. Excerpt other sources if you must, but I want to see you actually articulate why you believe this, rather than spout it as a fact.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Re: College: Gender Studies

And junxon, this pretty much sums you up:

"Activism on behalf of the human rights of men and boys is difficult for several different reasons. One of the most obvious is a public narrative which takes the following form.

• We live in a patriarchy;
• Therefore women, and not men are oppressed;
• Men are elevated and advantaged;
• Therefore anyone advocating male human rights is really driven by misogyny;
• And so, men’s rights organizations are hate organizations".

This narrative is incorrect; that is the point.

Are you having a debate with some imaginary person in the thread? No one said men can't be oppressed, that anyone advocating for male rights is by default a misogynist, or that all men's rights organizations are by definition hate groups. Certainly some are, just as White Pride groups and other groups that seek to portray the dominant group as victims often have a certain bent, but it's not guaranteed by any means.

Stick with what's on the page before you start posting wild ass straw man arguments based on jack and shit.

 

[Avon]

Re: College: Gender Studies

and nasat, this pretty much sums you up:

 

[Pingfah]

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I've always thought of Feminism as an extremely broad and loose collection of different beliefs and ideologies, sharing a common goal of establishing equal rights and opportunities for women. Not necessarily sharing a common view on how to achieve that though.

A feminist could also be a masculinist, and vice versa, no?

Read the first two of my linked articles, for starters.

Have done. I see a huge amount of historical assertions made with absolutely no sources to back them up, and a great number of views being described as fundamental to Feminists (i.e. if you don't believe this then you aren't a feminist) which many self described Feminists would probably take great umbrage at.

You seem to be displaying this behaviour throughout the thread as well, tarring people with assumptions about their stances and beliefs.

 

[{ Emilia }]

Re: College: Gender Studies

As the secretary general of Matriarchy International I would like to apologize for violence on men, the insane amount of female wealth accumulated through divorces and the over-representation of women in media, politics and the economic elite.

I hereby declare that the women of the Western World give up their right to vote and the right to property to make up for this injustice.

I also promise to return the brains we extracted from a high number of men who as a result of that procedure seem to live in an alternate reality.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: College: Gender Studies

As the secretary general of the Matriarchy International I would like to apologize for violence on men, the insane amount of female wealth accumulated through divorces and the over-representation of women in media, politics and the economical elite.

I hereby declare that the women of the Western World give up their right to vote and the right to property to make up for this injustice.

I also promise to return the brains we extracted from a high number of men who as a result of that procedure seem to live in an alternate reality.

Where are my reparations, Emilia??

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

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As the secretary general of Matriarchy International I would like to apologize for violence on men, the insane amount of female wealth accumulated through divorces and the over-representation of women in media, politics and the economic elite.

I hereby declare that the women of the Western World give up their right to vote and the right to property to make up for this injustice.

I also promise to return the brains we extracted from a high number of men who as a result of that procedure seem to live in an alternate reality.

I would accept the offer, but something tells me that you're sarcastic, which is typical of feminists and their ilk.

 

[{ Emilia }]

Re: College: Gender Studies

As the secretary general of Matriarchy International I would like to apologize for violence on men, the insane amount of female wealth accumulated through divorces and the over-representation of women in media, politics and the economic elite.

I hereby declare that the women of the Western World give up their right to vote and the right to property to make up for this injustice.

I also promise to return the brains we extracted from a high number of men who as a result of that procedure seem to live in an alternate reality.

I would accept the offer, but something tells me that you're sarcastic, which is typical of feminists and their ilk.

Are you saying you want your brain back? Is that what you're referring to?

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Re: College: Gender Studies

As the secretary general of Matriarchy International I would like to apologize for violence on men, the insane amount of female wealth accumulated through divorces and the over-representation of women in media, politics and the economic elite.

I hereby declare that the women of the Western World give up their right to vote and the right to property to make up for this injustice.

I also promise to return the brains we extracted from a high number of men who as a result of that procedure seem to live in an alternate reality.

I would accept the offer, but something tells me that you're sarcastic, which is typical of feminists and their ilk.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

Re: College: Gender Studies

Are you saying you want your brain back? Is that what you're referring to?

Don't try to confuse me with your logic, woman!

 

[{ Emilia }]

Re: College: Gender Studies

Are you saying you want your brain back? Is that what you're referring to?

Don't try to confuse me with your logic, woman!

I often wish men weren't so irrational and prone to hysteria. Their mood swings and fuzzy logic makes having a serious discussion with them so difficult. They're so over-emotional.

 

[Gul Re'jal]

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^Maybe it's that time of the month for them...

Err...

Yes, that must be it!

 

[1001001]

Re: College: Gender Studies

And junxon, this pretty much sums you up:


"Activism on behalf of the human rights of men and boys is difficult for several different reasons. One of the most obvious is a public narrative which takes the following form.

• We live in a patriarchy;
• Therefore women, and not men are oppressed;
• Men are elevated and advantaged;
• Therefore anyone advocating male human rights is really driven by misogyny;
• And so, men’s rights organizations are hate organizations".

This narrative is incorrect; that is the point.

Are you having a debate with some imaginary person in the thread? No one said men can't be oppressed, that anyone advocating for male rights is by default a misogynist, or that all men's rights organizations are by definition hate groups. Certainly some are, just as White Pride groups and other groups that seek to portray the dominant group as victims often have a certain bent, but it's not guaranteed by any means.

Stick with what's on the page before you start posting wild ass straw man arguments based on jack and shit.

I think feminists are behind the War on Christmas, too.

 

[auntiehill]

Re: College: Gender Studies

I've been offered a placement in college to complete a Gender Studies unit, due partly to applying myself in lectures that I was just dropping in on without being enrolled. The lecturer appears to be young and idealistic, as my social worker exclaimed that, when he approached her by email, she welcomed me in on the spot, which is apparently unusual for a person in that position to do.

Anyway, what are your opinions of the usefulness of a degree in Gender Studies, career-wise? I've been told many things, namely that it's useless, I'm gay, (two guys and thirty girls in the lectures) a misandrist, etc etc, but I've never before been in a room with so many like-minded people in my life, it's liberating.

OH, look! It's the original post! If you really want to study this area because you find it fascinating and enjoyable, then do so. No knowledge is useless. But, if you want build a career around this field, I fear you will have a very, very hard time making a living if you don't tie it into something else, like teaching, social work, psychology, political science, etc. I hope that answers your question.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Re: College: Gender Studies

you realise you've jumped into a thread about whether someone should study something and shouted 'it's all lies!!!'

Yeah, can we get back to the original topic (which wasn't really even specifically about feminism)?

 

[Spot's Meow]

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I agree with a couple of previous posters who have stated that if you are in school to gain knowledge and pursue your interests, then yes, the program will be useful to you and you will probably have a great time. If your main goal is to graduate with a job lined up, it probably won't be such a great idea. This is the sort of degree that would work great as a stepping stone into graduate school in the social sciences though. There is definitely a chance that your future career will make use of this degree, but you will need to have clear goals in mind and probably do some extra schooling before you get there. For example I am in a library science graduate program at the moment, and I've met a few classmates who specifically want to focus on working at libraries or archives within women's organizations or GLBTIQ organizations. An undergraduate degree in gender studies would likely be of much benefit to them in applying for those jobs.

 

[Kestra]

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Yeah I was thinking it would work if you wanted to go on to graduate school, but I agree about having a plan.

 

[Avon]

Re: College: Gender Studies

really i can't see the downside in getting a qualification in a subject you find fascinating, so i reckon go for it.

and for the record, during the course of this thread derangednasat has made a lot of intrusive presumptions and attributed false strawman opinions to me that come across as intolerant and vindictive.

so i hope you permit me to call him a whiny little misogynist douchebag without giving me an infraction, but if you do i'm willing to accept it.

 

[JoeZhang]

Re: College: Gender Studies

It really comes to down to this - if you live in Western Europe or North America and you are complaining about your lot as a white healthy male, well I'm afraid the truth is you are just a loser.

 

[sidious618]

Re: College: Gender Studies

It really comes to down to this - if you live in Western Europe or North America and you are complaining about your lot as a white healthy male, well I'm afraid the truth is you are just a loser.

Hey, man, it's not easy having to get out of bed and go to a well paying job.