Mirror Universe Janeway

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

What would she be like? The real MU Janeway, not the one from Living Witness. The MU Janeway we never saw, the MU Janeway they denied us. You know they could have stuck her into the DS9 MU eps (crappy as they were), because hey, she's obviously not leading a starfleet vessel in the Delta quadrant in the MU!

I bet they would have made her someone noble and helpful which would have been dull. But maybe she is a ruthless leader of the Terran Empire, all jackboots and torture, perhaps even with an eyepatch!!!!!! That would be awesome.

And no I am not just discussing this because of duh, lesbians.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They would have spitroasted Neelix for a welcome to the Delta quadrant Luau, bargained with the Kazon until the perfect moment of betrayal, and then sold Ocampa as slaves in exchange for food and technology all the way home to the Terran Empire.

Lesbians?

There were lebians?

It must have been something subtle that I missed.

 

[Sindatur]

... But maybe she is a ruthless leader of the Terran Empire, all jackboots and torture, perhaps even with an eyepatch!!!!!! That would be awesome.

And no I am not just discussing this because of duh, lesbians.

Nah, they'd make her more different than just sticking an eyepatch on her

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The 'real' MU Janeway was a bit dull, to be honest...

Spoiler: MU

She is a member of mirror Chakotay's crew but is secretly a spy for the Klingon/Cardassian Alliance. She has been taught to hate her own kind and believes that humans deserve to be slaves. She eventually gets killed.

 

[F. King Daniel]

According to William Shatner's Mirror Universe trilogy, she had shortly cropped red hair and could barely keep her hands off Captain Kirk. I imagine Kate Mulgrew's version would be a little different...

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

According to William Shatner's Mirror Universe trilogy, she had shortly cropped red hair and could barely keep her hands off Captain Kirk.

Okay, I am instantly repressing that.

 

[Brit]

^passes Mr. Laser Beam the brain bleach.

I would agree with you, except I've been subjected to worse trauma, (someone's fiddle of Neelix naked.)

And yes I am sure Kate's version would have been very different.

 

[Sindatur]

^passes Mr. Laser Beam the brain bleach.

I would agree with you, except I've been subjected to worse trauma, (someone's fiddle of Neelix naked.)

And yes I am sure Kate's version would have been very different.

Ah, the "Neelix Salad"?

 

[Brit]

^passes Mr. Laser Beam the brain bleach.

I would agree with you, except I've been subjected to worse trauma, (someone's fiddle of Neelix naked.)

And yes I am sure Kate's version would have been very different.

Ah, the "Neelix Salad"?

Actually no, there was another one far earlier that is no longer around on the internet, the two artists are friends though. Let us just say that on the first one there was no bit of Neelix, not even a spot covered by anything.

 

[Sindatur]

^passes Mr. Laser Beam the brain bleach.

I would agree with you, except I've been subjected to worse trauma, (someone's fiddle of Neelix naked.)

And yes I am sure Kate's version would have been very different.

Ah, the "Neelix Salad"?

Actually no, there was another one far earlier that is no longer around on the internet, the two artists are friends though. Let us just say that on the first one there was no bit of Neelix, not even a spot covered by anything.

TMI, TMI...Spots, Toenails, and Porcupine Quills everywhere. MAKE IT STOP...

<Rips brain bleach outta Mr. Laser Beam's hands and showers in it>

 

[Gaith]

According to William Shatner's Mirror Universe trilogy, she had shortly cropped red hair and could barely keep her hands off Captain Kirk.

Not sure if serious, but I'm halfway through my re-read and so far, while there's definitely a note of attraction despite the considerable age difference, this is wild exaggeration that crosses the line over into outright falsehood. There's one iffy scene where she makes a pass at him, but it's strategic, not lustful.

I think the trilogy's depiction of Mirror "Kate" is damned good, myself, and very admiring to boot. teacake, if you haven't yet read it I think you'd rather like it.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I read the books three or four years ago, maybe my brain exaggerated it a bit? I distinctly remember thinking, "Oh, Shatner... Janeway too?"

 

[Gaith]

^ Like I said, there's definitely an element of that, and it does come off as ego-stroking on Shatner's part, but in its proper context it's really not that much. Besides, this is The Goddamn James T. Kirk we're talking about.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

GAH I got all excited about the Kirk/Janeway storyline and it's debunked in 12 posts!! I have always campaigned for this pairing.

What is the name of this trilogy? I haven't kept up with Shatnerverse.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Shatner doesn't write those books. It's Jude and Gar Reeves-Stevens who follow Shatner around all day like 1940s gumshoes, then translate his bumblings into action packed sciencefiction.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I know. I've read a few of the earlier ones. I've got a pile of them from a garage sale but I have given up real books for the kindle now so I doubt I'll get to them soon. But I'd be interested in that trilogy.

 

[F. King Daniel]

What is the name of this trilogy? I haven't kept up with Shatnerverse.

Spectre, Dark Victory and Preserver. I very much enjoyed them.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Dark Victory? That's so old I saw it last time I was in a book shop.

Shatner fights his mirror universe counter part who just happens to be the Emperor of the Terran Empire... But isn't that an incredibly conceited approach? That Spock's peace movement had no effect? Possibly even that the first thing Young Kirk did when he got back to his own Universe was kill Spock, just to make 50 minutes of programming in the 60s irrelevant?

 

[Gaith]

Spock's peace movement had no effect? Possibly even that the first thing Young Kirk did when he got back to his own Universe was kill Spock, just to make 50 minutes of programming in the 60s irrelevant?

You either haven't read the books, hombre, or you've completely forgotten them. Spock's peace movement did work... it worked too well. To divulge more would be to spoil.

And while the Kirk it portrays feels a lot like Shatner, yeah, I doubt he had much to do with anything that wasn't Kirk.

You should definitely give 'em a try, teacake! I'd love to hear what you'd think of 'em.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I read the first one which compared Borg cubes to lego bricks that assemble together to create huge geometric shapes/patterns rather than fly in formation.

It came off as ego stroking and I couldn't go any further.

Of course if Jude and Gar's name had been on the cover, I would have steamed through.