Abrams turns Star Wars because of his "loyalty" to Trek

[The Wormhole]

Pegg is terrible but the character has gone through severe character degradation since TOS anyway. The movies made him increasingly incompetent (Remember Star Trek V?) and in the TNG episode Relics he's just a weird goofy slob.

Simon Pegg is a good actor, the problem is that Scotty just isn't written right. He's too comedic, even Pegg has said he wants the character to be more serious than he was in XI.

Aside from Trek V, I didn't think the other movies did a bad job with him. Relics has some good character moments, though seeing him act the bumbling old man thinking he's helpful when he's actually getting in the way was a diservice to the character.

The 'continuity' was always the worst thing about Trek. Once the franchise stopped being about people and became this hide-bound keeper of Trek history, it was finished.

That's just BS. Most fans cared about good characters in good stories. For me continuity was a sign of quality. That the people making Trek actually cared about what they were doing. When people complain about "continuity" the mistake is so blatant a mistake even non-fans notice.

Let's talk about continuity. If it wasn't such a big deal why does JJTrek create an entirely new alternate universe. For some strange reason, this bold filmmaker is afraid of a bunch of online fans.

Continuity is gravy to the storytelling meal. Yeah, it's great when it's there, but a great story will stand on its own quality, even if there's no continuity.

 

[wissaboo]

For me continuity was a sign of quality.

How so? It doesn't really improve the quality of the acting, writing, set design, direction, props....well, you get the idea.

then the rest of trek is not quality either. Since there are continuity errors all over the place

 

[davejames]

Scotty was never as wacky in the series as Doohan made him later on,

What about Scotty drinking the Kelvan under the table in "By Any Other Name"? Or starting a bar brawl over an insult to the Enterprise in "Tribbles"?

I didn't much remember Scotty being comic relief in the old TV series until I rewatched it last year.

Well he had to get pretty damn drunk in the first one, and the second wasn't really him being "wacky" in any way. In fact his tone was actually pretty serious when addressing the Klingon.

The fight was played somewhat for laughs, but Scotty didn't strike me as being the "comic relief" there.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Scotty was never as wacky in the series as Doohan made him later on,

What about Scotty drinking the Kelvan under the table in "By Any Other Name"? Or starting a bar brawl over an insult to the Enterprise in "Tribbles"?

I didn't much remember Scotty being comic relief in the old TV series until I rewatched it last year.

Well he had to get pretty damn drunk in the first one, and the second wasn't really him being "wacky" in any way. In fact his tone was actually pretty serious when addressing the Klingon.

The fight was played somewhat for laughs, but Scotty didn't strike me as being the "comic relief" there.

But there was a twinkle in his eye when said "Where they'll be no tribble at all." And he was unintentionally funny when mooning over Romaine and Palamas.

 

[lurok]

I was thinking about the new Star Wars films recently, and who would be a good pick to write and direct, and I had a thought; if you wanted people who are fans of the original trilogy, are aware of what worked and what didn't in the PT, smart enough to not get bogged down with fanwank, have a proven record of good character writing, and are actually in touch with the sci-fi community both personally and professionally, then there are two names that spring to mind who I think would be worth taking a risk on... Simon Pegg and Edgar Wright.

 

[The Doctor]

For me continuity was a sign of quality.

So Sir Arthur Conan Doyle isn't a quality writer to you? because I don't think he really cared that much about it what with Watson's war wound changing every book.

He sure didn't. Nor did Aaron Sorkin give two shits if the West Wing recycled plot ideas, so long as the characters got the main focus of each episode.

Hell, Friday Night Lights completely retconned half of Season 2 because the events depicted were just too wacky, and it was (and remains) the best show on television.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

Simon Pegg is a good actor, the problem is that Scotty just isn't written right. He's too comedic, even Pegg has said he wants the character to be more serious than he was in XI.

What works in television isn't necessarily what works in films. When you got a large ensemble cast and you want to give each and every one of the main characters their chance to stand out, some of them are going to be rewritten so that they fit a specific role within the ensemble. That means that some of them are less stoic and more humorous than in the TV series.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I feel out of sync, I wasn't crazy about nuTrek yet I liked Pegg's Scotty.

 

[BillJ]

I feel out of sync, I wasn't crazy about nuTrek yet I liked Pegg's Scotty.

I wish he would have slowly been devoured by that monster chasing Kirk on Delta Vega.

 

[JarodRussell]

For me continuity was a sign of quality.

So Sir Arthur Conan Doyle isn't a quality writer to you? because I don't think he really cared that much about it what with Watson's war wound changing every book.

Pretty lazy, isn't it?

 

[NuFan]

It's possible that Abrams just thought the treatment he read was horrible.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

So Sir Arthur Conan Doyle isn't a quality writer to you? because I don't think he really cared that much about it what with Watson's war wound changing every book.

Pretty lazy, isn't it?[/QUOTE]

Is it important?

 

[Kelthaz]

Times have changed and continuity is far more important today than it was in the past. If Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was writing Sherlock today he would have paid far more attention to small continuity details and have included arcs connecting the various novels.

 

[EnsignRicky]

If Doyle were writing Sherlock Holmes today, he'd include a lot more slow motion fighting, explosions and... Uh, never mind.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

If Sir Arthur Conan Doyle were writing Sherlock Holmes today, he would be writing novels instead of short stories. Other than that, I think it would be very similar. Crime fiction hasn't changed that much since then.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Times have changed and continuity is far more important today than it was in the past. If Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was writing Sherlock today he would have paid far more attention to small continuity details and have included arcs connecting the various novels.

I don't think so. It's only among obsessive nerd communities that there are people who care and there were plenty of those people back then too. Doyle killed off Holmes at one point to make a clean break, although that obviously didn't work.

 

[Hound of UIster]

Times have changed and continuity is far more important today than it was in the past. If Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was writing Sherlock today he would have paid far more attention to small continuity details and have included arcs connecting the various novels.

Or maybe he realized like most smart people that the readers are more interested in Holmes doing detecting and having interesting adventures than useless continuity. More continuity certainly wasn't going to turn the Blanched Soldier or the Veiled Lodger into better stories.

 

[JarodRussell]

Times have changed and continuity is far more important today than it was in the past. If Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was writing Sherlock today he would have paid far more attention to small continuity details and have included arcs connecting the various novels.

Or maybe he realized like most smart people that the readers are more interested in Holmes doing detecting and having interesting adventures than useless continuity. More continuity certainly wasn't going to turn the Blanched Soldier or the Veiled Lodger into better stories.

Would more continuity have turned them into worse stories?

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

Would more continuity have turned them into worse stories?

More convoluted, more difficult to get into, less accessible for new readers, less interesting to read again. Whether that's synonymous with "worse" is a matter of opinion.

 

[Joker]

Let's talk about continuity.

Okay.

'Continuity' is for sad lonely cunts to masturbate over while the rest of the audience has fun.

Have a great new year.