La-La Land to release 15-disc original series score set

[Dalen Quaice]

Have been reveling in this set, and just finished Season 1. I'm finding that listening to the individual scores is somehow more evocative of the episodes than watching the actual episodes is, paradoxical though that sounds.

A number of tracks seem to start with the first note already "in progress" as the recording begins. I assume that's an unavoidable artifact of taking many/most of these from the original recordings?

Why would the original recordings begin "in-session" ?? These were recorded on reel-to-reel audio tape. It would be difficult to begin at the first of a tape without spooling off some leader. Also, I would have thought Glen Glenn Sound would have some sort of "Production 60040" slate before a session.

 

[Ssosmcin]

The only other things that are absent, as far as we know, are two bits of on-set singing that weren't part of the surviving music tapes: Kevin Riley's "I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen" and Adam's "clean bill of health from Dr. McCoy" improv.

And, you know, I'm really quite okay with that....

 

[Joe_Atari]

I have for years asked why the commercial bumpers were never included in the video releases - I got everything from we don't own the rights to the masters were unavailable (and a coupon good on my next purchase! LOL). On several of the video releases you could see the faint outline of the bumpers where they were edited out after the act fade out... yes, edited from a supposedly complete and uncut episode.

I know this goes back a ways, but this seems like a good place to ask. I'm looking for alternative cover art for the MP3s I made from the box set, and I had the idea to use the commercial bumpers for each season. So I'm looking for high-quality stills of these. Here's a great source for the third season bumper:

Any ideas for seasons 1 & 2?

Thanks!

 

[Kamdan]

The only other things that are absent, as far as we know, are two bits of on-set singing that weren't part of the surviving music tapes: Kevin Riley's "I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen" and Adam's "clean bill of health from Dr. McCoy" improv.

And, you know, I'm really quite okay with that....

Those didn't have musical accompaniment, so that would make sense as to why they weren't included.

 

[Harvey]

Was told that I won't be getting this set for Xmas after all today.

I hope I can put together the funds myself before it goes OOP.

 

[RandyS]

The tracks for the Man Trap, man they are depressing and tedious to listen to. It is fun just listening to the cues and scenes they were used for just pop into your head.


-Chris

I don't know about depressing, but if by tedious, you mean repetitive, then yeah, I agree.

I agree that The Man Trap can be a difficult listen, but hearing it away from the episode really shows how Courage nailed it. The script was so-so, but the music played up the spookiness, eerie feelings and the sheer tragedy of the story. What was downplayed in the episode to a degree (the end of an intelligent species) is made to be incredibly sad by the music. There is hopelessness all over the score and while it's not a fun happy time at the CD player, it does effectively make the mood of the episode; heavy, scary, crushing. It's repetitive because that's what happens with a lot of TV scoring. The fact that it happens so seldom says a lot about the composers, but for the most part, a complete TV score is a study in patient listening.

The Man Trap is a solid, incredible score for what it accomplishes. I've always loved it, but now I truly appreciate it. Top marks.

Oh, I wasn't putting it down, just saying I found it repetitive is all.

 

[Ssosmcin]

Which is cool. Just wanted to show my own appreciation. Actually, outside if I Mudd and some of the more shrill library cues, I'm digging the whole library.

 

[SchwEnt]

I'm finding that listening to the individual scores is somehow more evocative of the episodes than watching the actual episodes is, paradoxical though that sounds.

I find this statement to be true.

 

[cbspock]

What is really cool is how all the different compositions /composers all blended together due to all the tracking in episodes to create "Star Trek" the original series' sound. I think that is what helped a lot of these themes become so well known. Sort of how it worked for the Star Wars films, where Williams carried over themes and cues for all 6 films. in the Star Trek movie series we sort of had the same thing with Star Trek 2 + 3, and the Goldsmith scores.

This is completely missing from TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT. TNG had so many bland scores that there are only a handful of standout cues... Inner Light, Booby Trap, Best of Both Worlds, Tin Man.

-Chris

 

[Christopher]

This is completely missing from TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT.

Not completely. It took a while for TNG to settle into the "wallpaper music" the later series are known for. Dennis McCarthy had a Picard motif that he used frequently throughout the first three seasons (perhaps most memorably in the climax of "Yesterday's Enterprise"), and Ron Jones had recurring motifs for the Klingons (based on Goldsmith's Klingon motif) and the Romulans, plus a recurring Enterprise motif that he introduced once he decided the show had established its own identity and needed to move beyond the Courage fanfare and the Goldsmith TMP theme.

Also, Jay Chattaway had a recurring motif for Species 8472 on VGR.

 

[Joe_Atari]

This is completely missing from TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT.

Dennis McCarthy had a Picard motif that he used frequently throughout the first three seasons (perhaps most memorably in the climax of "Yesterday's Enterprise"), and Ron Jones had recurring motifs for the Klingons (based on Goldsmith's Klingon motif) and the Romulans, plus a recurring Enterprise motif that he introduced once he decided the show had established its own identity and needed to move beyond the Courage fanfare and the Goldsmith TMP theme.

Listening to the TOS collection I'm struck by how we were deprived of a distinctive Romulan theme when Steiner reused (either by choice or not) many of his "Balance of Terror" motifs in "Mirror, Mirror" and Courage didn't use any of it in "The Enterprise Incident." It wasn't until Ron Jones came up with a great Romulan motif that stuck in TNG "The Neutral Zone" (but I'm not sure how many other TNG-era composers carried it over for their Romulan shows). And Steiner's great Klingon themes from "Elaan of Troyius" -- although IMHO an improvement over Fried's themes in "Friday's Child" -- probably came too late in the series run to make a lasting impression, so we got Goldsmith's long-lived Klingon theme in TMP that lasted for over 20 years (which Ron Jones -- to his credit -- revisited at least once ("The Defector") rather than coming up with something new.

 

[Christopher]

Listening to the TOS collection I'm struck by how we were deprived of a distinctive Romulan theme when Steiner reused (either by choice or not) many of his "Balance of Terror" motifs in "Mirror, Mirror" and Courage didn't use any of it in "The Enterprise Incident."

Although, as I've pointed out before, Courage's theme for the Romulan Commander in TEI is pretty much a variation on Steiner's Romulan theme. Structurally they're almost identical -- a held note, then three descending pairs with a bit of a pause after the second one and the third pair ending on the same note as the first, then the same three pairs repeating, etc.

It wasn't until Ron Jones came up with a great Romulan motif that stuck in TNG "The Neutral Zone" (but I'm not sure how many other TNG-era composers carried it over for their Romulan shows).

None. Jones was the only one to use his Romulan theme. Indeed, the only time any TNG composer reused a motif by a different TNG composer (not counting Courage and Goldsmith) was in "Lessons," when McCarthy reused Chattaway's "Inner Light" motif. But that was source music rather than incidental.

...so we got Goldsmith's long-lived Klingon theme in TMP that lasted for over 20 years (which Ron Jones -- to his credit -- revisited at least once ("The Defector") rather than coming up with something new.

I just checked the Ron Jones set's liner notes, and there's no credit for Goldsmith's themes being used in "The Defector," or for Goldsmith's Klingon motif being used anywhere. What Jones did in "Heart of Glory" was to write his own Klingon motif that was a close pastiche of Goldsmith's, built around the same perfect fifth and some of the same percussion rhythms and so forth, and it was that motif that he used in several Klingon-related episodes. Goldsmith's was the same rising fifth three times in a row; Jones did the rising fifth with the second note held, then a falling fifth shifted up a note, then the rising fifth again.

Goldsmith got to create a Romulan theme too, and a good one, but not until Nemesis, his last Trek score and one of the last scores of his life. So it hasn't been used since.

We know there are going to be Klingons in Star Trek Into Darkness, so there's a good chance Michael Giacchino will come up with a Klingon motif to add to the catalog. I'm not sure whether he had a Romulan motif in the previous film, or just a Nero-specific motif.

 

[Ssosmcin]

The Romulan theme would be reused as tracked music without the Romulans anyway, negating it as their theme long before Steiner reused it in the second season. That's the pitfalls of having a library instead of commissioning fresh scores for every episode. On Lost in Space, the robot had its own theme by John Williams. They tried to hold onto it as a specific character theme, but eventually, they tracked it to fit any action scene. It was no longer a theme for the robot, but a catch all action riff.

 

[Christopher]

Also, the Romulans weren't used often enough to really have a recurring theme. "Balance of Terror" and "The Enterprise Incident" were the only episodes where they appeared as characters, and their ships also appeared in "The Deadly Years" (scored mainly with "Doomsday Machine" stock, IIRC).

 

[Warped9]

I remember very little---practically next to nothing---memorable from contemporary Trek scores. There are a scant few riffs I recall from TNG, but really nothing else.

 

[Christopher]

There's actually some good music in Enterprise. The restrictions were being lifted and the composers were able to do more interesting things, though of course nothing like TOS had.

 

[Warped9]

There's actually some good music in Enterprise. The restrictions were being lifted and the composers were able to do more interesting things, though of course nothing like TOS had.

Well since I couldn't stand the series and will never watch any of it ever again I won't be experiencing the music.

 

[Ssosmcin]

That's a shame, there really were some great scores in there. Two by Brian Tyler come to mind, but there were plenty more.

Still, the scores weren't as in your face as the old 60's music. You can't help but notice the original series music, like it or not.

 

[Esteban]

There's actually some good music in Enterprise. The restrictions were being lifted and the composers were able to do more interesting things, though of course nothing like TOS had.

You're being wildly generous.

There really is no comparison between the music from "contemporary" Trek television and TOS.

Plus, it's pointless to compare, as times and tastes have changed so much.

It gets to the point. The final arbiter in TOS music was Bob Justman. He hired and fired the composers, and it was he who decided that a particular episode needed a certain composer. If he could afford one.

We owe him.

 

[Christopher]

There's actually some good music in Enterprise. The restrictions were being lifted and the composers were able to do more interesting things, though of course nothing like TOS had.

You're being wildly generous.

There really is no comparison between the music from "contemporary" Trek television and TOS.

Which is why I explicitly said "though of course nothing like TOS had." So no, I am not "being wildly generous," because I was not comparing the two in the first place. Next time read more carefully.