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What Took So Long...why we're only getting a new movie now...

Even if other people are involved with their tie-in materials, it doesn't seem to be to the same extent as Bad Robot. .


Honestly, this sort of thing goes on all the time--and always has. The reason people don't hear it about it is because most of us author types are professional enough not to talk about it in public. Behind-the-scenes stuff is behind the scenes for a reason; it's just part of an ongoing process, like in any business. It's between the authors, their editors, and the licensors.

The folks at the local insurance company or auto dealership don't make all their business decisions public. Same with book publishing. I don't know where you work, but I'm guessing you don't air your business's inner workings on-line. Nor should you.

Put a bunch of tie-in editors and authors in a room and ply us with booze and we'll all have war stories about books that were approved (or shot down) at the last minute, bizarre eleventh-hour rewrites, "brilliant" ideas that were vetoed for baffling reasons, etcetera. It's kind of like that scene in JAWS where Robert Shaw and Richard Dreyfuss compare scars. "Let me tell you about the time I had to scrap the whole outline and come up with a new plot overnight . . . "

Doesn't mean we don't get back on the boat and go chasing after another big white shark. Or that one particular shark is more dangerous than all the rest. Heck, truth be told, that's part of the fun and craziness of this racket. It can be an adrenaline rush.

Like I said, I've been doing this for twenty years and everything you're complaining about is just par for the course. (Don't get me started on the hoops I had to jump through to get my first IRON MAN book approved, way back in 1995.)

And now I really need to revise those chapters . . . again. :)
 
My concern was always that they would lose all the momentum they picked up from the mainstream audiences who won't come back for the new one because they've moved on to other things.

That's a non sequitar. The audience moved on to other things the minute they left the theater. Most of the audience does not have the stereotypical Star Trek fans single minded fixation on one interest to the exclusion of all others. Their interest will wax, then wane, then wax again when there's something new to be interested in. Maintaining a constant level of interest between films isn't necessary.
 
And it's not like even us Trekkies can only be interested in one thing at a time. I'll be right in line for the new movie in May, but, in the meantime, I still want to see SKYFALL and LINCOLN and ARGO and THE HOBBIT, not to mention upcoming episodes on THE WALKING DEAD, ONCE UPON A TIME, LOST GIRL, MERLIN, LEVERAGE, etc.

It's not like we need to save ourselves for STAR TREK. We can enjoys lots of other things without having to "move on" from Trek.
 
Hmm. Yeah, JJ & Co have done a good job, and I am looking forward to the next one.

But.

I'm not getting the non-love for Coto & the Reed Stevenses. Consider how they hauled ENT out of the mire for the final season (bar TATV). As a producer Coto lifted the game a lot, and the Reed Stevenses know their Trek, and aren't afraid to tell a bold story.

Certainly if there was a new TV series, I'd like it if they were involved. I don't know if they have the chops for a huge movie, maybe a bit risky, according to the Hollywood bigwigs.
 
What's to stop me from assuming this isn't part of some weird conspiracy involving time travelling pirates and Nazis who are for some reason working together and cancelling these novels is somehow part of their masterplan? After all, at this very moment, it's just as likely as anything.

If one wants to believe something like this, in practice there is nothing to stop one from doing so. ;)

Thing is, no explanation was officially given. Sure, I could assume things didn't work out and probably be right. But it's like how the old rules of canon go "if it's not on screen, it's not canon." In this case, if it's not stated, it's not official.

...

That's why official statements are required to explain these things.

Are you looking for the "word of god" (for lack of a better description) on these matters?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod
 
No one from Paramount/CBS seems to guide Pocket in regards to how the Prime Trek novels should develop.

His name is John Van Citters, he heads a small team at CBS, he has been thanked in numerous IDW comics, in fact, and was Paula Block's offsider at CBS Consumer Products, the previous guide as to how Prime Trek novels, comics and all ST media tie-ins develop and how they can meet approval standards.
 
I've heard lots of rumours and speculation as to why those nuTrek novels were cancelled. The only thing we know for sure is that it's not to do with continuity.

I do hope to one day find out what happened. How long was it until the bizarre story of Probe came out (full details of that HERE?
 
I'm not getting the non-love for Coto & the Reed Stevenses. Consider how they hauled ENT out of the mire for the final season (bar TATV). As a producer Coto lifted the game a lot, and the Reed Stevenses know their Trek, and aren't afraid to tell a bold story.

What "non-love"? Lots of us enjoyed the input of Coto and the Reeves-Stevens but, in the eyes of Hollywood, they were closely associated with a dying "Star Trek" TV series that rated very poorly compared to TOS in syndication and TNG in first-run, and fell three years short of a projected seven year run. That hardly makes them bankable custodians for a major motion picture franchise.
 
The movie looks like its gonna be really good and I'm excited about it, but I do think it sucks that they all favored other projects for so long before going back to Trek.

And I do think that if Super 8 had been a bigger hit it's likely Abrams wouldn't have returned to direct again.
 
I've heard lots of rumours and speculation as to why those nuTrek novels were cancelled. The only thing we know for sure is that it's not to do with continuity.

Pocket Books chose not to release the four books "for now". I believe that has been quoted by the affected authors passing on the news. One of the authors, IIRC, then said he was assured that continuity of his book was not the problem, but it may well have been a potential problem for the other three. We do know the Christopher was asked not to name Keenser's series. The recent IDW comic focusing on Keenser, and overseen by Orci, has now named the species.

Time to check the manuscripts - for continuity and a plethora of other potential problems, such as duplication of concepts being used in the sequel movie - may well have been a problem for Orci & Kurtzman.

For example, one of the shelved novels used the character of Spock Prime. What if Orci & Kurtzman had planned to kill off the character in the then-fledgling script for the new film, and yet a novel comes out where Spock Prime was alive and well months after the fact, and telling Starfleet all about the prime timeline?

Vetting four long novels may well have been an arduous task. Comic manuscripts are much shorter, and the writers have been given very tight scenarios to fill out.

I do hope to one day find out what happened. How long was it until the bizarre story of Probe came out
Actually, a lot of the story was played out, as it was happening, on the pre-Internet message boards of Usenet and GEnie. We started hearing the stories of bizarre rewrites of "Probe" - and its contemporary novels - from the likes of AC Crispin, Jean Lorrah, Brad Ferguson, and others. Certainly, we heard enough to know that "Probe" had undergone some strange twists. (The dustjackets sat in storage in a warehouse for over twelve months.) Peter David discussed his various problems with Richard Arnold in a regular comics newspaper column, later collected in a trade omnibus called "But I Digress..."

Once the Internet made it easier for authors to have a public platform for airing in greater detail their problems with publishers, we got even more detailed stories, such as garamet's.

These types of misadventures were happening long before "Probe". Check out Steve Roby's "Lost Star Trek Books" webpage and you'll see it was not alone.

I do think it sucks that they all favored other projects for so long before going back to Trek.

I imagine the people employed by all those other projects were glad Bad Robot didn't shelve them to make a new "Star Trek".
 
(Speaking in terms of hypotheticals).

Wonder how the JJ-verse ST continuity will be treated, once Abrams/Kurtzman/Orci stop making Star Trek movies. (In principle something like this could happen, such as if the next ST film doesn't do very well financially for Paramount).

For example:

Will it be treated like a "Shatner-verse", in regard to novels and comics?

For that matter, will Simon & Schuster and/or IDW drop it altogether? (This could be the case, if the JJ-verse continuity novels and comics aren't selling very well).
 
When this trilogy is over, someone else will take over and it will probably be a full reboot a few years after. The "old continuity" is gone.
 
If the next 2 movies are also successful, I could easily see the current team, or most of it anyway, continuing for a few more.

But I think it's way too early for such thoughts yet. Lets see how things are next summer.
 
Movie Bytes has some interesting observations as to why we have had to wait until 2013 to get a new Trek film.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI8bzOTjMMQ

If all this is true, Paramount should take Trek away from Abrams and give it to a producer and writers who will make it his top priority.

I nominate Many Coto and the Reeves-Stevenses. They know Trek. They love Trek, And they would give Trek the primacy and respect it deserves as a property.

Not going to lie and say that the new Star Trek movie could not have come sooner, but four years is pretty realistic between sequels, especially if you maintain top quality. However, if Into Darkness turns out bad-then maybe something needs to be done.
 
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