Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

[MickJo1701]

Well, no points for effort in HTV's handling of the visual effects. Where as CBS Digital would add a little sparkle to their work (fixing continuity errors), HTV seems to be doing the absolute minimum.

I have to agree. I just watched "Q Who" and the scenes where the 1701-D is slowly flying away from the camera into space you can see, that the nacelle lights pass isnt quite stable horizontally. At some points the nacelle lights move slightly left/right away from the models nacelles. HTV didnt even made the effort to stabilize the nacelle light pass.

I noticed this too, but its not only the nacelles the whole ship judders about. Also keep an eye out towards the very end when the shot runs out of motion and it becomes a moving still image. The giveaway is the frozen grain and the ships movement becomes unnatural. Checked the season 1 version of this shot, if it does the same its masked very well.

 

[Angel4576]

Well, I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that CBS has learn't sufficiently from the seasons 1 and 2 releases so as to enable flawless releases here on out. If mistakes were going to made then I'd rather they were made in the first few seasons I guess. The show gets great from Season 3, so hopefully the future releases will do the show full justice.

 

[Jeyl]

Example? Only time I recall them being off were times when they were "supposed to be off." Unless you looking at the back of the nacelles which aren't quite as well lit as the sides of the nacelles.

Here's an example. And there are couple of shots like that in the episode. Even if it's the rear part of the nacelle, there is enough of it showing that the glowing blue effect should be noticeable.

 

[NewHorizon]

Example? Only time I recall them being off were times when they were "supposed to be off." Unless you looking at the back of the nacelles which aren't quite as well lit as the sides of the nacelles.

Here's an example. And there are couple of shots like that in the episode. Even if it's the rear part of the nacelle, there is enough of it showing that the glowing blue effect should be noticeable.

Looks like a missed lighting pass.

 

[Jeyl]

Looks like a missed lighting pass.

Surely, nothing that they couldn't have added.

 

[NewHorizon]

Looks like a missed lighting pass.

Surely, nothing that they couldn't have added.

Oh yes, they most certainly could have corrected it. Even if the original elements were lost I'm pretty sure the could have CGI'd that with little to no effort.

 

[davejames]

Watched The Schizoid Man, with the infamous blue planet and cut off Enterprise, and I have to say in motion they didn't really bother me as much as I expected. It comes at the very end of the episode and happens so fast you can barely detect it.

The shot of the Enterprise entering orbit of Graves World, on the other hand, looked fantastic.

As for the episode itself, it's fun watching Data being a complete ass to Picard, but otherwise nothing terribly interesting happens. And it's yet another instance where the crew seems awfully slow to figure things out. Considering Graves was a cyberneticist, they should have realized right away that Data had at least been reprogrammed in some way.

 

[beamMe]

I watched Contagion, The Royale and Time Squared last night and all three looked perfectly fine in motion.

In Time Squared when the Enterprise falls into the vortex, the lighting-passes aren't aligned perfectly. At least one pass flickers around the ships.

 

[BillJ]

I watched Contagion, The Royale and Time Squared last night and all three looked perfectly fine in motion.

In Time Squared when the Enterprise falls into the vortex, the lighting-passes aren't aligned perfectly. At least one pass flickers around the ships.

I didn't notice and I was watching on my 40" screen.

 

[LitmusDragon]

Okuna was just as bad as I remembered it. I'm not sure why there's so much needless explaining of the character in the first act. "Oh, he's a rogue" "Yes, he's a rogue and he does rogueish things" "Oh yes, like a rogue".

 

[Salinga]

Season 2 is a good cause for a drinking game: For every DNR'd sequence and lighting pass errors one goes down.

 

[throwback]

For "The Schizoid Man", I noticed a serious flaw with Gravesworld. I have never seen this before.

Imagine the planet. The side facing the sun is directed towards the right. Now, follow the curve of the planet as it approaches the north pole. Near the pole, there is an area of intense light reflection where the color of the planet is washed out by a circular patch. What could cause that?

For me, this episode has been the worst in vfx. The planet feels like it is a cardboard cutout being hung in front of a starry background by an invisible wire.

I, also, notice that the Lantree's hull color is the same as the Repulse.

 

[Trekker82]

I've only watched a few of the episodes on Season 3 bluray (Peak Performance and Emissary) and so far I think the quality is decent, there were a few complaints such as some of the ships looked a little too plastic-y and the planets a little blurry but overall I am happy. With that said, I do hope that Season 3 is done better. I'm Currently watching Q Who.


Question,

At the end of Peak Performance when the camera is moving away from the Enterprise, I noticed for the very first time that you can see people walking around in the red spherical are on top of the ship... I can't remember the name of it. Has anyone else noticed this on the DVDs or is it new the the Blurays due to the clarity?

 

[Trekker4747]

Example? Only time I recall them being off were times when they were "supposed to be off." Unless you looking at the back of the nacelles which aren't quite as well lit as the sides of the nacelles.

Here's an example. And there are couple of shots like that in the episode. Even if it's the rear part of the nacelle, there is enough of it showing that the glowing blue effect should be noticeable.

I dunno, it MIGHT be the part of the nacelles that aren't as well lit. I'm pretty sure the engine and deflector lights were on the same lighting pass, if not then a missed pass is likely the result. IIRC when those ships approach it's got an odd "stiffness" to it like it's one of those "digital mattes" they did in the S1 set.

 

[Mott the barber]

I've only watched a few of the episodes on Season 3 bluray (Peak Performance and Emissary) and so far I think the quality is decent, there were a few complaints such as some of the ships looked a little too plastic-y and the planets a little blurry but overall I am happy. With that said, I do hope that Season 3 is done better. I'm Currently watching Q Who.


Question,

At the end of Peak Performance when the camera is moving away from the Enterprise, I noticed for the very first time that you can see people walking around in the red spherical are on top of the ship... I can't remember the name of it. Has anyone else noticed this on the DVDs or is it new the the Blurays due to the clarity?

If you're talking about the standard warp away shot used at the end of the show intro, yes there are "people" walking around the observation lounge. The S1 blu ray extras reveal for the first time that it was actually a crude animated pencil drawing.
Pretty cool, and yes it is visibly (but fuzzy) on he DVDs and original airings.

 

[Scotty]

Okuna was just as bad as I remembered it. I'm not sure why there's so much needless explaining of the character in the first act. "Oh, he's a rogue" "Yes, he's a rogue and he does rogueish things" "Oh yes, like a rogue".

You forgot his rogueish charm!

 

[beamMe]

I watched Contagion, The Royale and Time Squared last night and all three looked perfectly fine in motion.

In Time Squared when the Enterprise falls into the vortex, the lighting-passes aren't aligned perfectly. At least one pass flickers around the ships.

I didn't notice and I was watching on my 40" screen.

My 58" 21:9 Philips screen told another story.

 

[Reeborg]

How can I get rid of the black side lines? I tried already any kind of zoom on the TV AND the HD-player. Strangely, I can only zoom vertically but horizontally it (almost) stays the same.

Does anybody of you have the BD in full screen on a 16x9 format????

 

[Tosk]

Why do you want to cut of one third of the picture?

 

[Mott the barber]

How can I get rid of the black side lines? I tried already any kind of zoom on the TV AND the HD-player. Strangely, I can only zoom vertically but horizontally it (almost) stays the same.

Does anybody of you have the BD in full screen on a 16x9 format????

There's probably some stretch view that will do it but the result will be that you're skewing and potentially zooming in on a HD picture which will end up significantly lowering the quality of the picture, the improvement of which was the whole purpose of the remastering. Don't get me wrong, I too wish they originally filmed in widescreen, but for optimal viewing quality, we're stuck with 4:3.