Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

[Salinga]

Really, it doesn't bother me too much. It's pretty minor (and even at times major) niggling things like the window lights not matching the ports on the model, etc. But, overall, I think it looks a heck of a lot better than the SD, VHS-quality DVD versions do. I think I'll survive with some misplaced widow lights and part of a missing tractor beam.

Well, and opinions like these are the reasons why mediocre work like the HD transfer of Season 2 passes the quality test and is released on the marked

1. "This will be final. Making it better is too expensive."
2. "They dont mind and will buy it anyway." (they = the consumers)

 

[NewHorizon]

Well, and opinions like these are the reasons why mediocre work like the HD transfer of Season 2 passes the quality test and is released on the marked

But Mr. Okuda told me on twitter that the S2 VFX quality was excellent, so it must be true, right?

I know he probably didn't want to say anything critical about work his old friends were involved with..and I respect that, but man...excellent is way off the mark.

 

[Salinga]

But Mr. Okuda told me on twitter that the S2 VFX quality was excellent, so it must be true, right?

Opinions are often very closely related to interests - social, cultural and financial interests. Often an opinion doesnt state the truth, it just states the interests of a person and the interests of the group the person is associated with and needs to stay associated with.

 

[Warp Coil]

Well, and opinions like these are the reasons why mediocre work like the HD transfer of Season 2 passes the quality test and is released on the marked

But Mr. Okuda told me on twitter that the S2 VFX quality was excellent, so it must be true, right?

I know he probably didn't want to say anything critical about work his old friends were involved with..and I respect that, but man...excellent is way off the mark.

The Okudas want this project to be successful, and they are currently still employed by CBS to oversee the rest of the project. They certainly aren't going to say something negative about the quality of the product because they want people to go out and buy it. They want the fans to enjoy it. I'm sure the Okudas respect Dan Curry and aren't going to say anything bad about him.

CBS isn't going to say anything negative about the work Curry and HTV have done, either, for the very same reasons. Pulling HTV off of the project was done quietly and with no comment. We can read between the lines but I doubt anyone will go on record to say that the quality of season 2 sucks. It's obvious that CBS learned a lesson with this project, and they are going to strive to ensure that there will be greater consistency moving forward. That's all we can hope for at this point.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

If CBS ensures the quality and consistency of the remaining seasons, and indeed, DS9 and VOY's probable/possible HD releases in the future - I can see TNG season 2 getting the dubious honour of being forever labelled (from a VFX perspective) as the "season that sucked" or some such pithy phrase.

 

[Tosk]

Let's hope so.

I hate to say it, but if it takes season 2 of TNG to be a big learning experience for them so that 3-7 and DS9 don't get effed up, so be it.

 

[BillJ]

Let's hope so.

I hate to say it, but if it takes season 2 of TNG to be a big learning experience for them so that 3-7 and DS9 don't get effed up, so be it.

Would you feel the same way if season two was your favorite season of Modern Trek?

 

[Tosk]

Of course not. I didn't choose for this season to get messed up y'know. And there's no guarantee other seasons won't get screwed up too. But it's too depressing to consider that just now. I haven't gotten over this disappointment yet.

My fallback continues to be, at least it's still better than the DVDs. Hugely so.

 

[Caretaker]

Well, it was a tough decision, but I canceled my preorder yesterday before Amazon shipped it. I'll definitely be buying season three.

 

[trekker670]

Well, after much thought I just cancelled my order through Amazon. I'll likely still purchase it, but I'll wait to see if Best Buy or another retailer offers it cheaper than the $87 it was going to cost through Amazon with release-day delivery. I thought I heard BB was going to have it for $65 next week.

 

[tomalak301]

If anyone can do a screencap comparison of just an exterior shot of the Enterprise between the two seasons, that might help show what I mean here.

Like these?

Season 1: http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x25/conspiracy_hd_386.jpg
Season 2: http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images/cbs_icarussbmontgomery_hd.jpg

Yeah. Just as I figured, the colors are washed out on Season 2. That's what I found a little distracting when I was at the screening.

 

[Salinga]

"Star Trek returns! Jonathan Frakes and LeVar Burton sit down with Matt Mira to discuss what diehard fans can expect in the Blu-ray release of Star Trek: The Next Generation Season 2."
http://www.g4tv.com/videos/61641/jonathan-frakes-levar-burton-on-star-trek-tng-season-2-blu-ray/

 

[Salinga]

Yeah. Just as I figured, the colors are washed out on Season 2. That's what I found a little distracting when I was at the screening.

I tried to fix it a little by myself, but of course it cannot hold up to the work of CBS-D:

 

[BillJ]

Well, after much thought I just cancelled my order through Amazon. I'll likely still purchase it, but I'll wait to see if Best Buy or another retailer offers it cheaper than the $87 it was going to cost through Amazon with release-day delivery. I thought I heard BB was going to have it for $65 next week.

Nice catch!

The ad for next week is at the top of the page. TNG season two is under the second Movie/Music spoiler, on the far right at the top.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=6802829&postcount=1

 

[Salinga]

Amazon Germany already has negative reviews (with reference to TrekCore) about the quality of the special effects. The reviewers suggest a boycott of this season to make CBS feel that it was a mistake to release a mediocre work:
http://www.amazon.de/Star-Trek-Generation-Season-Blu-ray/dp/B009DW9G9M

 

[Warp Coil]

Amazon Germany already has negative reviews (with reference to TrekCore) about the quality of the special effects. The reviewers suggest a boycott of this season to make CBS feel that it was a mistake to release a mediocre work:
http://www.amazon.de/Star-Trek-Generation-Season-Blu-ray/dp/B009DW9G9M

I'm torn on the whole "boycotting" idea. On one hand, I understand why people might be less than thrilled that CBS outsourced the season 2 remastering work to HTV and allowed inferior work to be done. But based on the reports, HTV will no longer be affiliated with this project. CBS has already learned the lesson. They apparently have acknowledged their mistake. We don't need to boycott in an attempt to get the studio's attention - it sounds like they already got the message. Also, I want this project to be financially successful because that's the only way we'll get this kind of extensive treatment for DS9 or VOY down the road. If the TNG Blu-ray releases don't do well, they won't waste the time or the money to tackle DS9 next.

 

[tomalak301]

Amazon Germany already has negative reviews (with reference to TrekCore) about the quality of the special effects. The reviewers suggest a boycott of this season to make CBS feel that it was a mistake to release a mediocre work:
http://www.amazon.de/Star-Trek-Generation-Season-Blu-ray/dp/B009DW9G9M

I'm torn on the whole "boycotting" idea. On one hand, I understand why people might be less than thrilled that CBS outsourced the season 2 remastering work to HTV and allowed inferior work to be done. But based on the reports, HTV will no longer be affiliated with this project. CBS has already learned the lesson. They apparently have acknowledged their mistake. We don't need to boycott in an attempt to get the studio's attention - it sounds like they already got the message. Also, I want this project to be financially successful because that's the only way we'll get this kind of extensive treatment for DS9 or VOY down the road. If the TNG Blu-ray releases don't do well, they won't waste the time or the money to tackle DS9 next.

It will be hard for me to boycott this set because the special features are up to the Season 1 standards, and that's one of the reasons I have to buy the set. Unless you can get the special features without getting the set, I'm still going to get this.

 

[davejames]

You know, I'm starting to wonder if all the talk about "honoring the original style" and "recreating the experience" was just a way to head off some of the criticism they knew would be coming....

 

[Harvey]

Also, I want this project to be financially successful because that's the only way we'll get this kind of extensive treatment for DS9 or VOY down the road. If the TNG Blu-ray releases don't do well, they won't waste the time or the money to tackle DS9 next.

I'm not sure if soft sales figures for one season out of seven -- a season which led CBS to fire the associated effects house, no less -- will have a significant impact on whether the next two series are remastered in HD.

Personally, I'm not buying this season at the moment, but it is on my list for Xmas. I doubt that an internet-organized boycott would have much effect on sales numbers; nor do I expect CBS to offer replacement discs for this set like they did on season one. I'm not going to spend $75 on it though, and I'm glad HDV-Illuminate was sacked so they can't mess up further releases.

 

[jimbotron]

You know, I'm starting to wonder if all the talk about "honoring the original style" and "recreating the experience" was just a way to head off some of the criticism they knew would be coming....

The same things were said when CBS-D was working on season 1.

CBS-D used it as a challenge. HTV used it as an excuse.

I'd love to know CBS-D's reaction to the season 2 work, but I guess because of NDAs etc., we won't ever know the dirt.