La-La Land to release 15-disc original series score set

[OneBuckFilms]

Fan films are an interesting situation. The studio is not endorsing them so much and allowing them to occur, as they are a way of showing appreciation for the franchise.

JJ Abrams even had the man behind Star Trek Phase II/New Voyages, a fan production, have a guest cameo on the bridge of the movie.

It's a technically illegal, but partially tolerated/embraced facet of Star Trek fandom.

If there's no profit made, and it maintains franchise interest, then allowing fan films to be made is the sensible way to go.

It is unwise to antagonize the fanbase of a long running and profitable franchise.

 

[cbspock]

^^^I remain surprised that no one has gone after fan films for distributing/using music they don't have rights to.

Well, the fan films don't have the rights to anything connected to Star Trek -- the title, the character names, the designs, any of it. It's all technically illegal. But the studio has historically tolerated fanfiction as long as its makers don't try to profit from it, because Roddenberry convinced them that it would help maintain audience interest in the property.

Lucas goes the extra step for Star Wars and awards the best of the SW fan films.


-Chris

 

[Christopher]

I'm in withdrawal because we didn't get the Season 2, Disc 3 track list yesterday! Okay, it was a holiday, but still, I'm eager to see it. The last page of its listings were in that TrekCore preview image, and it implies that Disc 3 will include all of Steiner's season 2 work including library cues, but I'm not sure if that would all fit on one disc given the indicated running time in that image. It would require "Mirror, Mirror" and "By Any Other Name" to be even more partial scores than I thought. (The Music of Star Trek gives the complete track list for "Who Mourns for Adonais" complete with run times, and taking that and the "Omega Glory" and library run times subtracted from the total time listed in the preview image, MM and BAON together would have to add up to only 27 minutes and change.) Well, hopefully we'll find out later today.

 

[doubleohfive]

But they're engaging in simulacra. Using the actual music is akin to lifting footage out of the shows, so it's a different thing.

Last summer, DC Comics and Warner Bros. cracked down on a bunch of shows in the audio drama world, not for using their intellectual properties (Batman, Superman, etc.) but because those shows were using tracks from released soundtracks in their audio dramas.

Paramount hasn't done anything like that, it seems. Hidden Frontier aped all kinds of stuff from the GNP releases over the years for their shows, and to my knowledge (which is, admittedly, limited on this topic) they were able to get away with it.

And boy, is it ever the understatement of the decade that the Phase II guys are going to LOVE this set!

 

[Maurice]

Last summer, DC Comics and Warner Bros. cracked down on a bunch of shows in the audio drama world, not for using their intellectual properties (Batman, Superman, etc.) but because those shows were using tracks from released soundtracks in their audio dramas.

Paramount hasn't done anything like that, it seems. Hidden Frontier aped all kinds of stuff from the GNP releases over the years for their shows, and to my knowledge (which is, admittedly, limited on this topic) they were able to get away with it.

Sometimes those things get shut down by the companies who paid for the rights (for instance, Atari famously sued Tandy for a PAC-MAN copyright violation even though Atari didn't own the game, but had purchased a license to publish it), or the ASCAPs of the world who are protecting composer and musicians rights. Not saying this is the case with Star Trek, as I've obviously no exposure to whatever contracts are in place, but rights related to movies and TV are often a lot more complicated than people realize.

 

[OneBuckFilms]

Maybe we'll get the next track listing soon, but I suspect the LLLR guys are having a little downtime while they can, especially given their big score announcements today (Die Hard with a Vengeance, Home Alone 2 (expanded from the Varese deluxe edition) and The Untouchables).

I found it funny that they called this Star Trek release the 800 pound gorilla in the room.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Maybe we'll get the next track listing soon, but I suspect the LLLR guys are having a little downtime while they can, especially given their big score announcements today (Die Hard with a Vengeance, Home Alone 2 (expanded from the Varese deluxe edition) and The Untouchables).

Would The Untouchables be an expanded version of the Morricone score for the 1987 film?

 

[OneBuckFilms]

Yes, a 2 CD set. I suspect it's either complete, or near complete. [FONT=Arial]LLLCD 1236. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]Doesn't interest me though.[/FONT]

 

[Christopher]

I'd be more interested in Joel Goldsmith's score to the Untouchables TV series that spun off from the film.

 

[Indysolo]

Would The Untouchables be an expanded version of the Morricone score for the 1987 film?

Yep! I co-produced that album!

Neil

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Would The Untouchables be an expanded version of the Morricone score for the 1987 film?

Yep! I co-produced that album!

Neil

That is great news!!! Well, i'm going to throw a lot of business your way!

There's nothing like letting your mind swim through a great score.

 

[ACE]

The long-awaited Season 2, Disc 3 contents:

SEASON 2, DISC 3

Who Mourns for Adonais?
Music Composed and Conducted by Fred Steiner
Episode #33, Recorded 7/12/67
Aired #31, 9/22/67

1. Ship of Stars/Green Hand M11/M12 1:50
2. Giant Hand M13 1:13
3. Apollo Motif M14/M14A 1:12
4. Apollo’s Power/Kirk’s Theme/Apollo’s Temple M21/M22/M23 3:16
5. Stingers/Giant Apollo M24/M24A/M24B/M24C/M24D/M25 1:02
6. Spaceship Stuck/Apollo Fades/Kirk to Apollo M26/M27/M28 1:17
7. Apollo Digs Carolyn/Apollo’s Fist/New Venus M29–30/M31/M32 2:37
8. Computer Generator M33 0:34
9. Apollo’s Temple #2 M34 2:58
10. Apollo Zaps M35–40 1:02
11. Apollo Weakens/Kirk to Enterprise/Bridge to Apollo M41/M42/M43 1:13
12. Kirk Worried M44–50 0:40
13. Apollo in Love M51 0:44
14. Dreamy Venus/Kirk and Carolyn/Spaceship Stuck Again M52/M53/M54 2:34
15. Apollo’s Kiss/Apollo’s Storm/Final Battle M55/M56-60/M61 3:35
16. End of Apollo/Spaceship Orbit† M62/M63 2:48

Total Time: 29:07

†Based on a Theme by Alexander Courage

Mirror, Mirror
Music Composed and Conducted by Fred Steiner
Episode #39, Recorded 9/8/67
Aired #33, 10/6/67

17. Mirror Mirror/Blackship Theme/The Agonizer M12/M12A/M12B 2:22
18. Blackship in Space/Blackship Underscore M13/M14 1:20
19. Thematic Bridge*/Blackship Tension M21/M21A 2:19
20. Suspicion M23 1:13
21. Evil Kirk/Evil Kirk #2 M32/M33 0:38
22. Meet Marlena/Short Curtain M36/37 2:01
23. Blackship Theme M12AA 0:46
24. Pretty Marlena M46 1:21
25. Goodbye Marlena M47–50 1:41

Total Time: 13:59

By Any Other Name
Music Composed and Conducted by Fred Steiner
Episode #50, Recorded 12/27/67
Aired #51, 2/23/68

26. Kelvan Theme/Neutralizer M12/M12A+M12AS 1:31
27. More Neutralizer M14 0:55
28. Rojan’s Revenge/Rojan’s Blocks/Broken Block M22/M23/M24 3:03
29. More Blocks/Rallentando M41/M42 2:05
30. Pretty Words/Short Playoff M52/M55 1:48
31. Kelinda’s Question/Rojan Roars/Kelinda’s Kiss M59/M61/M61A 1:40
32. Finale/Thematic Playoff*† M64/M64A 1:12

Total Time: 12:28

*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry
†Based on a Theme by Alexander Courage

The Omega Glory
“Star-Spangled Enterprise”
Incorporating “Theme From Star Trek” and “The Star-Spangled Banner”
Devised and Conducted by Fred Steiner
Episode #54, Recorded 12/27/67 (With “By Any Other Name”)
Aired #52, 3/1/68

33. Drums 0:20
34. Star-Spangled Enterprise (act out)* MX-1/MX-6 0:20
35. Star-Spangled Enterprise (episode medley)* MX-5/MX-4/MX-2 0:38
36. Star-Spangled Enterprise (outtakes medley)* MX-3/MX-7/MX-6 0:37

Total Time: 2:01

*Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry

Second Season Library Music
Composed and Conducted by Fred Steiner

From “Who Mourns for Adonais?”:

37. Kirk to Apollo M28A 0:26

From “Mirror, Mirror”:

38. The Agonizer M12BA 0:25
39. Blackship in Space M13A 0:38
40. Blackship in Space M13B 0:22
41. Blackship Tension M21AA 1:02
42. Blackship Tension M21A 0:35
43. Suspicion M23A 0:37
44. Meet Marlena M36A 0:49

From “By Any Other Name”:

45. Kelvan Theme M12 tk 5 0:40
46. Neutralizer M12AA 0:59
47. Rojan’s Blocks M23A tk 3 0:41
48. Short Playoff M55A 0:15

From “Charlie X”:

49. Chess Game (M32, recorded with “Who Mourns for Adonais?”) LM50 1:24
50. Zap Sam (M41, recorded with “Who Mourns for Adonais?”) LM51 1:11
51. Goodbye Charlie (M62, 2 versions, recorded with “By Any Other Name”) LM53 1:31

From “The Corbomite Maneuver”:

52. Fesarius Approaches (M31A, recorded with “Mirror, Mirror”) LM52 2:15

Total Time (37–52): 14:24

Total Disc Time: 72:26

 

[Christopher]

I was right -- "Mirror" and "Name" do both have relatively short scores, shorter than I expected. Although its score did include a couple of never-before-heard library cues by Courage, which I assume will be on disc 5.

None of the original recordings here have been released before as far as I know, but new performances of cues from "Mirror, Mirror" and "By Any Other Name" were on Varese Sarabande's Star Trek Volume Two, conducted by Steiner. Cues from those episodes that have not previously had a version released are:

"Mirror, Mirror":
Blackship in Space/Blackship Underscore
Thematic Bridge
Suspicion
Evil Kirk/Evil Kirk
Pretty Marlena

(Assuming the two "Blackship Theme" cues are basically the same)

"By Any Other Name":
More Blocks/Rallentando
Short Playoff
Kelinda’s Question/Rojan Roars/Kelinda’s Kiss
Thematic Playoff

There's a cue on the VS album called "Rojan's Victory," which I would speculate might be an alternate name for "Rojan Roars," but I can't be sure.

I'm curious about Discs 4 & 5. The Music of Star Trek's scoring schedule list gives no information about "Patterns of Force," which featured a new motif for the Nazis and which credited George Duning as the episode's composer. I wonder, will that motif turn out to be a hitherto-uncredited piece of library music?

 

[JimZipCode]

The long-awaited Season 2, Disc 3 contents:

Thanks all, for posting these!

By Any Other Name
Music Composed and Conducted by Fred Steiner
Episode #50, Recorded 12/27/67
Aired #51, 2/23/68

26. Kelvan Theme/Neutralizer M12/M12A+M12AS 1:31
27. More Neutralizer M14 0:55
28. Rojan’s Revenge/Rojan’s Blocks/Broken Block M22/M23/M24 3:03
29. More Blocks/Rallentando M41/M42 2:05
30. Pretty Words/Short Playoff M52/M55 1:48
31. Kelinda’s Question/Rojan Roars/Kelinda’s Kiss M59/M61/M61A 1:40
32. Finale/Thematic Playoff*† M64/M64A 1:12

Total Time: 12:28

Which is the cue for when Scotty & the Kelvan are drunk in Scotty's quarters?

 

[JimZipCode]

What a wonderful time for fans of the original series music! I'm loving those samples. Especially the themes from "Catspaw" and "Elaan" are marvellous!

I'm amazed at the sound quality of these samples. Even on mp3 they sound magnificent – very "present".

Shocked at how the "Mace Fight" cue from Catspaw interpolates that one motif from Fried's Amok Time score. I never expected that.

That suggests another thing of interest in this release: to see how the composers borrowed from themselves over multiple seasons. I knew Duning had interpolated some Amok Time stuff into his scores, for example Empath, and also some of Steiner's "Black Ship" motifs. But those were allusions to established motifs. This is more like reworking your own old material into something completely different. An interesting process. It helps explain how so many of the scores can sound "different but the same".

 

[Christopher]

Which is the cue for when Scotty & the Kelvan are drunk in Scotty's quarters?

As I recall, that was actually stock from Jerry Fielding's score to "The Trouble With Tribbles." The cue is called "A Matter of Pride," and originally accompanied the scene where Scotty explained to Kirk why he'd started the fight with the Klingons. It was used later, including in "By Any Other Name," as a leitmotif for Scotty.

 

[Tallguy]

Chris I knew you were a nerd, I had no idea you were Jeff Bond's backup brain.

 

[OneBuckFilms]

I definately remember that cue being used a few times.

The "By Any Other Name" cues were quite a joy on the re-recording, and the originals are definately going to be a hilight.

I'm reading the episode names, and I already have music running through my head from those episodes.

It seems the amount of library music is monumental for season 2 so far.

The real treat for me personally is going to be Elaan of Troyus for Season 3.

 

[JimZipCode]

The real treat for me personally is going to be Elaan of Troyus for Season 3.

I'm most looking forward to Enemy Within. When Neil wrote this:

I love The Enemy Within! Before I had the audio, I was sent scans of all of the documentation and I choked up when I saw the boxes for this score.

…I thought, yes, I know where he's coming from.

Also very interested in Fried's score for Friday's Child.

And everything else! Second half of Where No Man, new stuff, etc etc etc.

 

[OneBuckFilms]

Lets face it: I think we're all interested in pretty much everything.