How can any decent person be a SW stormtrooper fan?

[SeerSGB]

Okay, I'll give you that "Clone Wars" isn't really a kiddie show. But has 'Wars been aimed at kids, really, for the last few years?

Affirmative. Clone Wars-specific little kids' merchandise is all over the shelves, and the show airs on a network primarily devoted to kids' TV.

Should have been more clear: I meant the movies and the shows. There's plenty of toys put out there for shows and movies that aren't really meant for small kids (ex: Halo). and it seems like a lot of the toys are geared more for older collectors over kids. Lego is definitely a kiddie brand for the franchise, but I wouldn't consider the Prequel movies or any of the tv shows since to be "aimed for kids".

 

[iguana_tonante]

Thread = lulz.

 

[Shazam!]

I love playing as Darth Vader in the first Force Unleashed game for the 360.

Aw, I kinda felt bad killing all those Wookies.

 

[cooleddie74]

I love playing as Darth Vader in the first Force Unleashed game for the 360.

Aw, I kinda felt bad killing all those Wookies.

Truth be told so did I. Sometimes I'd let the Wookiee Warriors get some good blows in just to let them have the upper hand for a few moments. Plus I was always curious to see how much punishment the TFU Vader could take before his armor sustained game damage.

More often than not I'd get them out of the way using Vader's super-powerful Force Push, knocking them off their feet and throwing them about fifty feet away. As a lifelong fan of the species I tried to use as few lightsaber strikes as possible. I know the game doesn't depict anything really gruesome and has a reasonable rating so kids can play, but it's the principle of the thing, you know?

 

[Kegg]

People who argue that the rebels where somehow the real problem or the Empire wasn't that bad are being kind of silly, not that I've honestly seen many people like that.

Yet you often see people arguing that the Jedi were the real problem in the PT.

Well there is a reason I framed the argument there as 'Empire' and 'rebels'. The morality of the prequel trilogy is considerably murkier - and only partly, I think is that Lucas' intent.

The Jedi are obviously not the bad guys in the sense that Darth Sidious, Maul, Tyrannus and eventually Vader are the bad guys, but there's definitely some debateable ethical issues - for example - over how they handle the idea of a clone army.

Okay, I'll give you that "Clone Wars" isn't really a kiddie show.

It's a children's cartoon. I watched the first two seasons and I honestly kind of boggle at trying to call it something else.

 

[SeerSGB]

People who argue that the rebels where somehow the real problem or the Empire wasn't that bad are being kind of silly, not that I've honestly seen many people like that.

Yet you often see people arguing that the Jedi were the real problem in the PT.

Well there is a reason I framed the argument there as 'Empire' and 'rebels'. The morality of the prequel trilogy is considerably murkier - and only partly, I think is that Lucas' intent.

The Jedi are obviously not the bad guys in the sense that Darth Sidious, Maul, Tyrannus and eventually Vader are the bad guys, but there's definitely some debateable ethical issues - for example - over how they handle the idea of a clone army.

Okay, I'll give you that "Clone Wars" isn't really a kiddie show.

It's a children's cartoon. I watched the first two seasons and I honestly kind of boggle at trying to call it something else.

Feels more Teen, young-adult to me.

 

[Kegg]

Feels more Teen, young-adult to me.

I don't even know where to begin with that.

Perhaps the snarky padawan who nicknames Anakin 'Sky-guy' might be a start.

 

[SeerSGB]

Feels more Teen, young-adult to me.

I don't even know where to begin with that.

Perhaps the snarky padawan who nicknames Anakin 'Sky-guy' might be a start.

Have you watched the last three seasons? Even the snarky Padawan has been matured somewhat. About the only episodes I'd consider kiddie would be anything doing with Artoo and C3-PO on their own; those play like the classic Droids cartoon. And even the first two seasons weren't really "kiddie" but more tween to teen. The last three running up to Episode III and Anakin's fall are geared older.

 

[Kegg]

Have you watched the last three seasons?

Nope. But there's no way in hell that isn't a children's show, even with its Notorious ripoffs and what have you. Although there is a depressing tendency on the internet to rate any cartoon that isn't as emotionally vaucuous as let's say the Transformers that Ian Keldon got his avatar from as more adult fare.

 

[SeerSGB]

Have you watched the last three seasons?

Nope. But there's no way in hell that isn't a children's show, even with its Notorious ripoffs and what have you. Although there is a depressing tendency on the internet to rate any cartoon that isn't as emotionally vaucuous as let's say the Transformers that Ian Keldon got his avatar from as more adult fare.

Not necessarily adult, just not traditional kiddie fare. Unless you know a lot of little kids that like sitting through multi episode arcs dealing with political discourse, the morality of soldiers who desert their unit, or three episodes of theological debate on whether or not Anakin is God--complete with Dark Side zombie Sexy Ahsoka. It's teen/young-adult, with a handful of kiddie episodes, which isn't a bad thing.

 

[Set Harth]

I love playing as Darth Vader in the first Force Unleashed game for the 360.

Aw, I kinda felt bad killing all those Wookies.

Survival of the fittest, baby!

three episodes of theological debate on whether or not Anakin is God

Well, there's an interpretation I haven't heard before.

I'm pretty sure Anakin is not God.

Well there is a reason I framed the argument there as 'Empire' and 'rebels'. The morality of the prequel trilogy is considerably murkier - and only partly, I think is that Lucas' intent.

The Jedi are obviously not the bad guys

I think it's equally as "silly" to see the Jedi as bad guys in the PT as it is to see the Rebels as bad guys in the OT.

 

[SeerSGB]

I love playing as Darth Vader in the first Force Unleashed game for the 360.

Aw, I kinda felt bad killing all those Wookies.

Survival of the fittest, baby!

three episodes of theological debate on whether or not Anakin is God

Well, there's an interpretation I haven't heard before.

I'm pretty sure Anakin is not God.

Well there is a reason I framed the argument there as 'Empire' and 'rebels'. The morality of the prequel trilogy is considerably murkier - and only partly, I think is that Lucas' intent.

The Jedi are obviously not the bad guys

I think it's equally as "silly" to see the Jedi as bad guys in the PT as it is to see the Rebels as bad guys in the OT.

The whole Mortis Arc in Season 3. Anakin is proclaimed to be the Chosen One by Father (a non corporeal being that is a living embodiment of the balance The Force) and some fan takes is that Anakin is now God cause he's the living embodiment of the Balance.

 

[Roshi]

 

[DarthTom]

It makes me sick in the heart now to see stormtrooper fans parading around in their SW Nazi uniforms and acting like there's nothing wrong with it.

Well, one is fiction and one is not. The bad guys in a lot of fiction typically are more complicated characters and often are easy to like from a character point of view.

BTW, how many James Bond fans are there out there and how many innocent people has he killed for the good of the crown? Bond is another example of a complicated 'good/bad guy.'

 

[Hound of UIster]

Have you watched the last three seasons?

Nope. But there's no way in hell that isn't a children's show, even with its Notorious ripoffs and what have you. Although there is a depressing tendency on the internet to rate any cartoon that isn't as emotionally vaucuous as let's say the Transformers that Ian Keldon got his avatar from as more adult fare.

Not necessarily adult, just not traditional kiddie fare. Unless you know a lot of little kids that like sitting through multi episode arcs dealing with political discourse, the morality of soldiers who desert their unit, or three episodes of theological debate on whether or not Anakin is God--complete with Dark Side zombie Sexy Ahsoka. It's teen/young-adult, with a handful of kiddie episodes, which isn't a bad thing.

The Krell arc imo is probably one of the better examples of the CW done well. Though unsurprisingly it wasn't done by Filoni, but another director.

 

[Set Harth]

The whole Mortis Arc in Season 3.

I got that. I just don't see how "Anakin is God" comes from "Anakin is the Chosen One" ( something we already knew ). The Force Wielders of the arc are assuredly not gods.

 

[The Wormhole]

Yet you often see people arguing that the Jedi were the real problem in the PT.

Well the Jedi are kind of twisted. They basically abduct infants from their families and force them into an obligation they have no say in. So you're three years old, you got a 900 year old alien shorter than you handing you a lightsabre and telling you you have to be one of the galaxy's elite defenders just because of bacteria swimming in your blood. And all you want is to see mommy and daddy.

There was no evidence in the films whatsoever that that was how the younglings felt. Given the interview that Anakin went through, I'd say it's likely that any potential younglings who might have emotional problems were not even brought to the Temple in the first place. Anakin was an exception who the Council was already predisposed to reject.

Still, the Jedi indoctrinate children into their way of life. When you're three or four years old, you don't know enough to make that choice for yourself. And parents just willingly give up their kids just because the Jedi say so.

Hell, when the stormtroopers were overseen by the Jedi and the Republic, they were basically breeding sentient beings for no purpose other than to fight war. At least when the Empire stepped in they stopped that and began recruiting poeple of the age of consent who could choose that life for themselves.

And even if they were conscripted, at least they weren't pulled from their families (or even given up by their families) when they were less than five.

 

[Set Harth]

At least when the Empire stepped in they stopped that and began recruiting poeple of the age of consent who could choose that life for themselves.

Some sources say the Empire continued to use clones in addition to non-clone troops.

 

[The Wormhole]

At least when the Empire stepped in they stopped that and began recruiting poeple of the age of consent who could choose that life for themselves.

Some sources say the Empire continued to use clones in addition to non-clone troops.

Well, Lucas himself claims they were all clones in the OT, but the EU sticks to the idea that the Stormtroopers of the OT were recruits. I'm just going with the recruit angle since it helps build my rather amusing argument.

Just so we're clear, I don't actually I'm posting. I'm just adding to an already amusing thread.

 

[Set Harth]

At least when the Empire stepped in they stopped that and began recruiting poeple of the age of consent who could choose that life for themselves.

Some sources say the Empire continued to use clones in addition to non-clone troops.

Well, Lucas himself claims they were all clones in the OT, but the EU sticks to the idea that the Stormtroopers of the OT were recruits.

I don't think either of these statements are entirely accurate.