What'd you prefer to have mastery of,The Force or Sith powers and why?

[Mister Fandango]

Re: What'd you prefer to have mastery of,The Force or Sith powers and

I'd rather just have a conventional handgun, myself. They can barely stop those slow-moving brightly-lit bolts of plasma. They wouldn't stand a chance against an invisible high-speed round, let alone burst fire.

 

[Set Harth]

Re: What'd you prefer to have mastery of,The Force or Sith powers and

Actually, it does mean that. It was used for defense. ROTJ calls it a "Jedi mind trick", as opposed to a "Force mind trick", for a reason.

Since we didn't have the "Sith" terminology yet, everything I ever saw prior to the prequels referred to them as "Dark Jedi", I'm not sure that really is suppose to connect it to a single side.

Well, it certainly doesn't connect it exclusively to the dark side.

 

[BillJ]

Re: What'd you prefer to have mastery of,The Force or Sith powers and

Actually, it does mean that. It was used for defense. ROTJ calls it a "Jedi mind trick", as opposed to a "Force mind trick", for a reason.

Since we didn't have the "Sith" terminology yet, everything I ever saw prior to the prequels referred to them as "Dark Jedi", I'm not sure that really is suppose to connect it to a single side.

Well, it certainly doesn't connect it exclusively to the dark side.

I never said that it did...

 

[sidious618]

Re: What'd you prefer to have mastery of,The Force or Sith powers and

The Star Wars films have always been a little doubtful of just how good the Jedi Order is. The old order was complacent and lazy and Luke was dangerously close to the dark side in RotJ so I don't know that we should take what any of them do as necessarily representative of a "pure" use of the Force.

I feel so nerdy after that.

 

[TheRoyalFamily]

Re: What'd you prefer to have mastery of,The Force or Sith powers and

Let's not forget (though we try) that the "Jedi Mind Trick" was used at least twice in the prequels, though not always successfully. It just seems to be just another trick in the Jedi bag. It doesn't seem to be too coercive; it just is a lot quicker than trying to convince a weak-minded person, which a jedi, with their good diplomatic skills, would supposedly be able to do. The dark side version of this is actual mind control.

 

[theenglish]

Re: What'd you prefer to have mastery of,The Force or Sith powers and

This is a trick question. Everyone is supposed to say Sith powers because that is the point. The powers of the Sith a tempting. They look to be more powerful. They are more useful for gaining power and influence.

The whole point of Star Wars is that in order to be the good guy Jedi, you have to be able to resist the power and temptation that is the dark side and focus on skills that on the surface appear to be weaker, but ultimately lead to a much better place.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Re: What'd you prefer to have mastery of,The Force or Sith powers and

^ Agreed.

Force lightning, for example, is (apparently) used only by Sith, because it is in itself an evil power - it's used exclusively to maim and kill, and is fueled by anger. It's too easy to fall victim to a power like that.

 

[Set Harth]

Re: What'd you prefer to have mastery of,The Force or Sith powers and

Its use is irrelevant - you could use it to charge a battery. It ( I mean the Sith version, for fans of green lightning ) is a dark side power in that it requires use of the dark side to create it in the first place.

 

[BillJ]

Re: What'd you prefer to have mastery of,The Force or Sith powers and

Its use is irrelevant - you could use it to charge a battery. It ( I mean the Sith version, for fans of green lightning ) is a dark side power in that it requires use of the dark side to create it in the first place.

Is there any actual proof of that, other than we never saw a Jedi use it? I'm talking about on-screen.

 

[Set Harth]

Re: What'd you prefer to have mastery of,The Force or Sith powers and

Given we don't see the dark side ( or the Force, for that matter ), how are you realistically going to prove that on screen, unless a character comes right out and says as much? By the same token we don't see on-screen proof of the concept that its darksidedness is use-dependent. Lucas refers to it as a "dark side power" without equivocation and indicates that it identifies a darksider by its appearance, something which would not really hold true if it were in fact a "universal power" ( to use KOTOR's parlance ).

 

[Silvercrest]

Re: What'd you prefer to have mastery of,The Force or Sith powers and

How can any decent person be a fan of Sith powers?

...

Sorry, wrong thread.

 

[BillJ]

Re: What'd you prefer to have mastery of,The Force or Sith powers and

I find it hard to believe there are no positive applications of Force Lightening.

 

[PsychoPere]

Re: What'd you prefer to have mastery of,The Force or Sith powers and

A Jedi sufficiently strong in the Force can be trained to produce a facsimile, but not true Sith lightning, which, unabated, has the power not only to incapacitate or kill, but to physically transform the victim. Force lightning requires strength of a sort only a Sith can command because we accept consequence and reject compassion. To do so requires a thirst for power that is not easily satisfied. The Force tries to resist the callings of ravenous spirits; therefore it must be broken and made a beast of burden. It must be made to answer one's will. But the Force cannot be treated deferentially. In order to summon and use lightning properly, you will someday have to be on the receiving end of its power, as a means of taking the energy inside yourself.

There have been some examples of Jedi, both in the old order and in Luke Skywalker's new order, employing the variant that Plagueis references in the above quote. Its use by Jedi, however, was typically considered controversial, because it was viewed as inherently corrupting.

 

[Set Harth]

Re: What'd you prefer to have mastery of,The Force or Sith powers and

I find it hard to believe there are no positive applications of Force Lightening.

The application of Sith lightning doesn't matter, because it takes deliberate, conscious use of the dark side to create it, and that is both inherently corruptive and abhorred by Jedi doctrine.

There have been some examples of Jedi, both in the old order and in Luke Skywalker's new order, employing the variant that Sidious references in the above quote.

That's a Plagueis quote, not a Sidious quote.

 

[BillJ]

Re: What'd you prefer to have mastery of,The Force or Sith powers and

I thought the Force was neutral and it was how people used it that determined whether they were light or dark...

 

[PsychoPere]

Re: What'd you prefer to have mastery of,The Force or Sith powers and

That's a Plagueis quote, not a Sidious quote.

Yes... Not sure how I made that mistake. And more than once, at that. :/

On the plus side, this reminds me that I still need to read Plagueis.

I thought the Force was neutral and it was how people used it that determined whether they were light or dark...

That is a stance that some Force practitioners have taken throughout the history of the GFFA. However, Lucas' view is that the Force definitely has a light and dark side, and that balance is brought to the Force through the destruction of the Sith.

Of course, he also says the story ends with Return of the Jedi, but I'm not willing to give up many post-ROTJ stories that I quite like...

 

[Set Harth]

Re: What'd you prefer to have mastery of,The Force or Sith powers and

Of course, he also says the story ends with Return of the Jedi, but I'm not willing to give up many post-ROTJ stories that I quite like...

His story ends with ROTJ, in the sense that he doesn't currently plan to make further sequels... but he has made a few comments about what is supposed to happen afterwards, such as the Senate coming back. And of course Luke is supposed to bring back the Jedi order.

 

[Leviathan]

Re: What'd you prefer to have mastery of,The Force or Sith powers and

...well Force choke would make my day job much easier...

 

[Skellington]

Re: What'd you prefer to have mastery of,The Force or Sith powers and

^ Some of us would never get to our place of work in the first place if we had Force Choke.

 

[theenglish]

Re: What'd you prefer to have mastery of,The Force or Sith powers and

I want the special force power of draining car batteries instantly, to be used only on cars whose drivers are a--holes. Is that a light or dark power?