Who likes Spock/Uhura too?

[Shanndee]

"You know what's funny, though? I don't know if it was a shipper war or not. The people that claimed that Spock couldn't, just couldn't, be with Uhura were very hard about it absolutely just having to be Kirk/Spock/McCoy as a friendship pairing that was dubbed "The Triumvirate." They went into all kinds of stuff about id, ego, and super-ego and how they needed each other and had to be together and never have any women in their lives or a family." (By S/U Fan)

I've come across these types as well. I love "the Triumvirate" as much as the next person, and I do want to see more of McCoy in the next movie...but not at the exclusion of everything else.

I tried to point out that everyone has their own id, ego, and superego and we all work towards healthy work relationships, friendships, and romantic relationships (usually without any of the relationships suffering too much). If these 3 men were operating without this ability they weren't particularly well rounded individuals and probably shouldn't be working in a stressful environment like Starfleet. But none of them even acknowledged the point!

So, don't worry about them and continue to enjoy your own thing S/U Fan!

 

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

Wow. That sounds pretty weird. I mean sure Kirk, Spock, McCoy is a friendship of the ages but what does that have to do with people's need for romantic and sexual relationships? Now you can ship them that way with each other or give them women.. but either way these men will have needs that straight friendship cannot fulfill. It sounds like some people are elevating friendship to the level of the Victorian "romantic friendships" which seem a little odd to us today. All those intense feelings, and yet chaste.

Also.. fandom is supposed to be fun!

I like TOS Uhura better as well, probably because she is older. But I have high hopes for Zoe in the next movie TOS Uhura is sassy at times and you can see Zoe has that too.

That's right! Fandom is supposed to be fun. I personally don't mind if someone else wants to see Chekov, Scotty, and Sulu riding a pony together, just as long as it's not the end of the world if someone else prefers that they ride a hippo. I just think it's nice if we're all accepting.

And I have faith in Zoe this time around too. She does have the sass that original Uhura displayed at times, but she doesn't quite have the grace. Zoe used to be a ballerina, and ballerinas are graceful, so I've got hope a-plenty.

Hey, I put that link there so people will poke around!

And, yeah, I seriously need to update that website. It's missing the Dark Knight Rises book, the upcoming Leverage book, the next Star Trek book, etc. Plus, sad to say, two of those cats are no longer with us . . . although I can't bring myself to delete their photos yet.

And that's a really old photo of Lyla, too, although I'm probably never going to change it. That's such a great photo of her!

As soon as I get out from beneath some pressing deadlines, I'll take an evening off to update it, I promise!

Sorry to hear about the loss of your pets, I know that can be very hard. It's nice that you still have their pictures up. And I wouldn't take down that photo of Lyla either. It's beautiful. I look forward to your updates. Do you have any short stories, or something like that? I like to take baby-steps in getting used to an author.

Thanks. For an update, Lyla is six years old now and a bit jowlier. We just got back from our morning walk and I'm now playing fetch with Sophie while gearing up to get some serious writing done.

[This concludes the OT Pet report.]

Regarding short stories, I've had stories published in a number of Trek anthologies, including Seven Deadly Sins, The Sky's The Limit, Enterprise Logs, Mirror Universe: Glass Empire, and Star Trek: The Amazing Stories. Thanks for asking and feel free to check them out!

Meanwhile, I have a very Uhura-centric novel, The Weight of Worlds, coming out from Pocket Books next year . . . .

Thanks for the pet update. Writing is a discipline, isn't it? I've never done any serious writing, but I do know that I never liked having to write for a deadline in school. My hat's off to you, and I look forward to hearing more about your Uhura book. I'll be looking into those shorts you mentioned.

"You know what's funny, though? I don't know if it was a shipper war or not. The people that claimed that Spock couldn't, just couldn't, be with Uhura were very hard about it absolutely just having to be Kirk/Spock/McCoy as a friendship pairing that was dubbed "The Triumvirate." They went into all kinds of stuff about id, ego, and super-ego and how they needed each other and had to be together and never have any women in their lives or a family." (By S/U Fan)

I've come across these types as well. I love "the Triumvirate" as much as the next person, and I do want to see more of McCoy in the next movie...but not at the exclusion of everything else.

I tried to point out that everyone has their own id, ego, and superego and we all work towards healthy work relationships, friendships, and romantic relationships (usually without any of the relationships suffering too much). If these 3 men were operating without this ability they weren't particularly well rounded individuals and probably shouldn't be working in a stressful environment like Starfleet. But none of them even acknowledged the point!

So, don't worry about them and continue to enjoy your own thing S/U Fan!

Thank you very much, Shanndee. I think some people are never going to acknowledge the point. I tried too. Each one of them should be well-rounded and three-dimensional characters. It shouldn't be a case of three one-dimensional characters acting together to make one whole and fully three-dimensional person, but if that's what some people are into, then okay. I just have a problem with being told that I'm wrong for liking something different.

Now, on to some fun.

 

[Redfern]

I'm cool with it and I've been a viewer since 1972. I will admit I did a "Whu...?!" for about 2 or 3 seconds during that turbolift scene, but then I remembered those lil' "character" bits from "The Man Trap" and "Charlie X" before the scene in the movie even finished.

Concerning Spock's assumed bethrothal to T'Pring... Hey, perfect setup for a romantic conflict. With just 10,000 surviving Vulcans, NuSpock would understandably calculate the odds of her survival as nil. But if she did escape the grav' collapse of their homeworld, things will turn interesting to say the least. Since they are already bonded, you just know the remaining population will want them to breed. (Even if she didn't make it, I suspect the ruling body of the new colony will still want Spock's genes and may see Uhura as a "distraction".) And assuming T'Pring has survived and is anything like her "prime universe" counterpart, we could have a very different spin and new insights upon Pon Farr and the rituals surrounding it. Who knows, we could see two lovely lasses duking it out with lirpas, ahn-woons and possibly additional weapons, vying for the hand (and other parts) of Spock.

I'd pay to watch that, especially if their garments get torn in a fashion similar to "classic" Kirk's!

Sincerely,

Bill

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I'm cool with it and I've been a viewer since 1972. I will admit I did a "Whu...?!" for about 2 or 3 seconds during that turbolift scene, but then I remembered those lil' "character" bits from "The Man Trap" and "Charlie X" before the scene in the movie even finished.

Concerning Spock's assumed bethrothal to T'Pring... Hey, perfect setup for a romantic conflict. With just 10,000 surviving Vulcans, NuSpock would understandably calculate the odds of her survival as nil. But if she did escape the grav' collapse of their homeworld, things will turn interesting to say the least. Since they are already bonded, you just know the remaining population will want them to breed. (Even if she didn't make it, I suspect the ruling body of the new colony will still want Spock's genes and may see Uhura as a "distraction".)

Or they could become more isolationist and not want to dilute their tiny gene pool with human DNA.

And assuming T'Pring has survived and is anything like her "prime universe" counterpart, we could have a very different spin and new insights upon Pon Farr and the rituals surrounding it. Who knows, we could see two lovely lasses duking it out with lirpas, ahn-woons and possibly additional weapons, vying for the hand (and other parts) of Spock.

I'd pay to watch that, especially if their garments get torn in a fashion similar to "classic" Kirk's!

Couldn't hack that myself, except for the ripping part. I'm hoping that Spock's future pon farr story is retold quite differently with or without T'Pring. If she did survive it's a huge story element.

 

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

^ Well, for obvious reasons, I hope she didn't make it.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I'd like some T'Pring centric stories. I want to know what was so hot about Stonn (he doesn't look very attractive to me). I want to know her pain when she realized she would have to breed with a half caste and make chit chat with a human MIL. I doubt having such a prestigious FIL would make up for this, and the brother.. Oy vey. Imagine having children connected by blood to Sybok. It's really not surprising she did everything she could to get out of it. Perhaps Stonn wasn't some true love, but just the guy who would go through with her plans.

 

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

Well, I guess for me the reason why I don't need to see T'Pring in the movies is because that was all answered for me in fan fiction, and it would be like going backwards. I could send you a link to the story if you're interested. The writer did a very nice job.

 

[Redfern]

I hope you guys realize I was just being flippant. No way would a movie with a one-third to a one-half billion dollar budget devote resources to a subplot that would conclude with the Vulcan equivalent of nude female mud wrestling.

[Homer Simposn drooling voice] "Mmmm, nude Vulcan female mud wrestling...."[/Homer Simposn drooling voice]

Sincerely,

Bill

 

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

^ I wouldn't have minded if you were completely serious. I just think it makes sense that Spock broke off his betrothal to T'Pring when he started getting seriously interested in Uhura. I don't think he'd be the kind of guy to date one lady while pledged to marry another. I think they were friends first (no harm in that), and once they realized that it was love, then T'Pring had to go, and hopefully she probably breathed a sigh of relief and moved on to Stonn. She and Spock would have never been happy together from my view.

 

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

@M'Sharak

I just noticed you embedded the S/U video on the first page for me. Thank you so much!!!

 

[Greg Cox]

I'd like some T'Pring centric stories. I want to know what was so hot about Stonn (he doesn't look very attractive to me). I want to know her pain when she realized she would have to breed with a half caste and make chit chat with a human MIL. I doubt having such a prestigious FIL would make up for this, and the brother.. Oy vey. Imagine having children connected by blood to Sybok. It's really not surprising she did everything she could to get out of it. Perhaps Stonn wasn't some true love, but just the guy who would go through with her plans.

If you're interested, Christopher Bennett's new novel, Forgotten History, has a subplot in which Spock meets up with an alternate-universe version of T'Pring, which gets . . . complicated.

 

[M'Sharak]

@M'Sharak

I just noticed you embedded the S/U video on the first page for me. Thank you so much!!!

All part of the service. And you're welcome.

 

[F. King Daniel]

It seems Leonard Nimoy's a fan of S/U too.
(from http://fanlore.org/wiki/Spock/Uhura_(2009))

Leonard Nimoy (who originally played Spock in the prime universe) also stated that upon reading the script he was bemused by Spock's scenes with Uhura but when he watched them he was amazed by the relationship and it "worked brilliantly" for him. [15] Later Nimoy jokingly stated that he was extremely jealous of Zachary because of his scenes with Saldana:
"I was, frankly, extremely jealous of his scenes with Zoe Saldana and I think it’s totally unfair that I never got to do that kind of stuff. I will never forgive the writers and the director for having put me in this position, that I have to be watching them instead of participating." [16]

 

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

^ Oh, I just love that. I read the part about him saying he was jealous before, but not the first part about him reading the script and being bemused. You know, he was supposed to be the one that kissed Uhura in TOS instead of Kirk, but Shatner complained, I think, and got his way -- And the girl!

 

[Greg Cox]

"I was, frankly, extremely jealous of his scenes with Zoe Saldana and I think it’s totally unfair that I never got to do that kind of stuff.

As opposed to doing love scenes with Jill Ireland and Mariette Hartley?

I'm not sure Nimoy has much to complain about!

 

[Shanndee]

^ Well, maybe he had a fanboy crush on Nichelle Nichols! ;-)

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

I went for "hate them" (though hate is a very strong word to use in this case).

More from an Uhura standpoint than anything. Though never established in TOS, as Communications Officer it makes sense for her to be a linguist, so that isn't new to the character. All they could think to do to give her more to do was to make her a romance of a main character, which is pretty lame IMO.

 

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

^ I don't think that's all that happened. Of course, it's possible that they might fall into that trap, if you will, of her being the girlfriend that just happens to also hail frequencies, but I really hope it doesn't go in that direction. In the last movie, it seemed to me that aside from her relationship with Spock, they demonstrated her skill in linguistics when she was able to understand Romulan dialects when another officer couldn't, and she had the guts to fight for her rightful position on Enterprise. That's not a bad beginning to me.

Sorry to hear that you "hate" them, though. I wonder why it would be okay for her to be a xenoliguist in the new movie, although that wasn't confirmed in the Prime timeline, but it's not okay for her to have love in her life, even though there was some flirting that never was confirmed to have gone beyond that in the Prime timeline. I don't get that.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

JJ's face is making me queasy.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Sorry to hear that you "hate" them, though.

As I said, 'hate' is too strong a word. Dislike would probably be better. Has she been hooked up with Sulu (who declared her his "fair maiden" in 'The Naked Time', as well as his MU counterpart making numerous sexual advances towards her) or Scotty (the two looked to be getting close in TFF) I'd have been happier.

I wonder why it would be okay for her to be a xenoliguist in the new movie, although that wasn't confirmed in the Prime timeline, but it's not okay for her to have love in her life, even though there was some flirting that never was confirmed to have gone beyond that in the Prime timeline. I don't get that.

It was never directly stated that she was a linguist, but being a communications officer would need training and understanding of languages. It's an easy assumption that can be made, you don't get an important post such as Chief Comm Officer on a starship without specialising in the field.

I have nothing against her having a love life, but that would be something better explored if Nu-Trek were a TV series and not just films, so that it had more time to be fleshed out and explored.