Darth Pike?

[Dukhat]

The Narada is wery similar to the death Star in terms of destructive ability.

Important peACEFULL PLANET blownup...check

Old mentor figure living in exile...check

Cantina scene, j J wanted one but decided not to go trough with it..Check

Final battle onboard the Death Star/Narada...Check

Hero without purpose on Iowa/Tatooine...Check

Interesting. Let's see if I can make the same distinctions with Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

1. "The Narada is wery similar to the death Star in terms of destructive ability." So is V'ger.

2. "Important peACEFULL PLANET blownup...check" Not a planet, but the reaction to the destruction of Epsilon Nine was analogous to this.

3. "Old mentor figure living in exile...check" You mean like how Spock exiled himself to Vulcan to undertake Kohlinar?

4. "Cantina scene, j J wanted one but decided not to go trough with it..Check" I've never heard of this rumor before, so I'm not giving it any credence until some source is named.

5. "Final battle onboard the Death Star/Narada...Check" You mean like how Kirk, Spock, Decker and Ilia entered V'Ger and got it to stop it's attack on Earth?

6. "Hero without purpose on Iowa/Tatooine...Check" You mean like how Spock didn't know what his purpose was until his experience with V'Ger allowed him to find it?


I don't think Robert Wise had Star Wars in mind when he made his film, and yet at its core it has the same elements you named, which I'm sure I could find with a ton of other movies too.

 

[M'Sharak]

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4. "Cantina scene, j J wanted one but decided not to go trough with it..Check" I've never heard of this rumor before, so I'm not giving it any credence until some source is named.

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What J.J. meant there was that it would be like the Mos Eisley cantina scene in the sense that it would be filled with aliens, not that it was going to going to be a direct copy from Star Wars nor even necessarily set in a cantina. In the end, it was still closer to Star Wars than Abrams wanted to go with it and the scene was discarded.

See here:

So Abrams turned to Barney Burman and his team at Proteus Make-up FX to craft alien creatures for the film, which recounts the earliest adventures of the Enterprise crew. It was a big job: The artists had to produce and execute new designs for various aliens, and they had to do it more quickly than they originally anticipated. As Burman recalled, “There was originally going to be a scene with most of our alien species, which would shoot towards the end of production, but J.J. always had a problem with it, because it was like, ‘Here’s our big cantina scene where all the aliens show up!’

“J.J. didn’t want it to be a Star Wars kind of scene, so he ultimately scrapped it and changed it to just one alien. For the rest of the aliens we were going to make, he said, ‘Let’s pepper them throughout the film from the beginning,’ so instead of having more than three months to get them all done, we suddenly had to produce them in a matter of weeks.”

http://makeupmag.com/news/newsID/426/​

 

[FarStrider]

What the OP is talking about is the Hero's Journey, inspired by Joseph Campbell's Hero with a Thousand Faces, and most mainstream Hollywood films follow its outline rather slavishly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RstI-8z1qaM This video is not exactly correct in all the details, but it is close enough. . . also look up Chris Vogler's The Writer's Journey which is practically a bible in Hollywood, and distills Campbell down to something manageable. . .


~FS

 

[-Brett-]

Cantina scene, j J wanted one but decided not to go trough with it..Check

A scene that was not, in fact, in the movie and apparently was never even filmed?

No. Uncheck.

 

[T'Girl]

And Pike is almost like Kirks second father so it would make sense.

I can't remember any indication that Pike and Kirk saw each other even once from the time Pike advocated Kirk join Starfleet, and Kirk rushing onto the Enterprise's bridge years later.

Pike as a second father?

 

[CommanderRaytas]

I mean J.J does copy the structure of the SW OT. The first movie was wery much like the New Hope it would make sense that the tone and even the structure from the second movie will be similar to EsB. is Pike going to be revealed as a bad guy or someone who has to dod something really evil in order to achiev the greater good. He has to be in some shadowy cabal according to the Archon comic and it would also make sense since J.J. imitates Star wars. i really that cabal will be Section 31.

Any toughts?

Yeah...where do you get that JJ is imitating Star Wars? Because he threw in a 1-second easter egg of R2D2?

I still think that's a rumour. After all, if I can't see it, it can't be there.

 

[Set Harth]

Here...

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Is that for real?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Yep. There's also a barely visible Millenium Falcon among the fleet that attacks the Borg in First Contact.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Huh. The picture looks kind of photoshopped, but I will take your word for it, as I am too lazy to pause the film to look for it myself.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Huh. The picture looks kind of photoshopped, but I will take your word for it, as I am too lazy to pause the film to look for it myself.

Here's Memory Alpha's page on the matter: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Popular_culture_references_in_Star_Trek#Star_Wars.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Thank you. I said I believe it, but I won't try to pause the dvd at the right moment to see it for myself.

But thanks a lot for sharing the link. It is interesting to know how much detail and effort is put into these things.

 

[Green Lantern]

I can't belive someone would even ask this question.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Thank you. I said I believe it, but I won't try to pause the dvd at the right moment to see it for myself.

But thanks a lot for sharing the link. It is interesting to know how much detail and effort is put into these things.

No problem.

 

[-Brett-]

Yep. There's also a barely visible Millenium Falcon among the fleet that attacks the Borg in First Contact.

Heard that rumor a number of times, but the best screenshot that I've ever seen of it is nothing more than a vaguely saucer shaped grey blob.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Yep. There's also a barely visible Millenium Falcon among the fleet that attacks the Borg in First Contact.

Heard that rumor a number of times, but the best screenshot that I've ever seen of it is nothing more than a vaguely saucer shaped grey blob.

The screenshot in the link I provided looks really convincing.

Huh. The picture looks kind of photoshopped, but I will take your word for it, as I am too lazy to pause the film to look for it myself.

Here's Memory Alpha's page on the matter: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Popular_culture_references_in_Star_Trek#Star_Wars.

 

[Greg Cox]

since J.J. imitates Star wars. i really that cabal will be Section 31.

Any toughts?

I'm not sure we can extrapolate any trends, like "J.J. imitates Star Wars," on the basis of just one film.

By that reasoning, we could have assumed after TMP that every Trek movie was going to be a loose remake of an old TV episode, since TMP bore a strong resemblance to "The Changeling."

Abrams also produced ALIAS, LOST, and FELICITY, but I doubt we'll see any evil smoke monsters, duplicitous Russian moms, or curly-haired college coeds in the next movie!

(Although, to be fair, the great big ball of Red Matter was imported from ALIAS . . . .)

 

[UFO]

I'm not sure we can extrapolate any trends, like "J.J. imitates Star Wars," on the basis of just one film.

No problem. I heard there will be two more movies.

 

[Drago-Kazov]

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[Drago-Kazov]

So now that the synopsis is revealed and many of you have read the comics is Dart Pike coming?