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Moffat Who simply looks better.

Didn't both of those stories leverage existing sets, though? The Globe was filmed in a recreation of the original, which was already in operation as a proper theatre; and Pompeii was largely filmed on the existing sets of "Rome". Both episodes DID have great ancillary rooms, etc. that were constructed for the episode; however you are referencing historical locations, which on IMO are easier for a TV show to make accurate enough, versus various future-placed episodes which can look cheap and flimsy OR expensive and awesome. Who has done both in spades, under either producer.

Regardless, the buck DOES stop with RTD and Moffat, who have the responsibility of balancing creative control versus the budget they're given. I think their skill and experience as producers has as much to do with the physical look of the sets as the production designers who do the actual sketching and construction. Likewise, someone approved the use of an undisguised basement as a Dalek ship, or of whichever disused industrial location as the spaceship / prison / hospital planet of the week.

Mark

The Glode was filmed at the real Globe and only at night, every morning they had to clean it up and take down their lighting blimp for the theater's daily shows. And all tey used from the BBC including the TARDIS was shipped over and taken by lorry(truck) to the Rome set.

“Love's Labour's Won” was married to the preceding episode, season premiere Smith And Jones, to form the year's second recording block under the aegis of director Charles Palmer. It quickly became apparent that the scale of Roberts' script exceeded the other historicals made for the new Doctor Who series. To resolve this, the production team approached the management of the new Shakespare's Globe Theatre. Opened in 1997, this was a faithful reconstruction of Streete's original edifice, which had been destroyed by fire in 1613 (and rebuilt in 1614, only to be closed by the Puritans in 1642 and torn down in 1644). Doctor Who became the first television drama to be granted permission to film at the new Globe, although a requirement of this deal was tate recording could only take place at night; Roberts' scripts were duly revised to reflect this.

The first material recorded for “Love's Labour's Lost” involved the set for the Carrionites' lair, erected at the Upper Boat Studios. This spanned August 23rd to 25th, and was originally intended to include an elaborate swordfight between the Doctor and Lilith, which was excised only at the last minute when it was felt to be too impractical to complete. The production was then nearly dealt a terrible blow when it appeared that contractual difficulties would scupper the filming at the Globe Theatre after all. A complete rewriting of the script to relocate the action to the countryside was contemplated, but fortunately the issues were resolved in time for the cast and crew to leave Cardiff for their first location, Coventry in the West Midlands, on August 28th.
 
Watched a lot of NuWho with all 3 doctors recently, and one thing that really stood out to me is how much better the overall "look" of the show under Moffat. Something about the sets and the props in the RTD era just looks really cheesy to me, especially the futuristic stuff. The last two seasons have much better set design and cinematography IMO.

Overall I like everything about Moffat Who better. Matt Smith is my favorite doctor. The stories and writing are better. The season long arcs are more intricate and imaginative. I found that the RTD era episodes that I wanted to watch again were mostly the Moffat ones.

I'd say the only thing RTD did better was the humor. The Harriet Jones shtick cracks me up every time.
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How can you say that? Moffat is the worst thing which has ever happened to Dr Who, and the stuff looks alot cheesyer now. He's gone back to the awfull early 80s thing, while RTD was more realistic, enjoyable, and darker. Fine, under RTDs reign, Moffats episodes were some of the best, but that was under RTD. Look what happened to the Daleks, he designed his own versions based on the cheesy 60s movies, and look what happened. Rainbow toiletes, and now Moffat has finaly admitted he was wrong about the daleks by not using them in the last series, and going back to RTDs design in the new one comming soon. Good thing he's gonna darken the shade of the rainbow daleks, they were just awfull in series 5, and I hate all these cameos. Sontarans, cybermen, daleks in one episode together working with each other. Gayest thing I have ever seen in my life, and I've seen John Barrowman do it with another dude on an epidsode of Torchwood (mentaly scared for life after seeing that happen), but torchwood's still better than Dr Who at the momment. And all of series 6 was painfull to watch. Renember the Gangers? Two episodes of plastic nonsense. Hated that episode, and no one I have ever met in my life likes that episode. Granted Moffat had one some amazing episodes (the weeping Angel two parter, the Silence tow parter, and I have a feeling Aslyman of the Daleks and the 50th anniversary episode will be among my favourate too). Ironic how that all the episode 1s in RTDs reign were only ok or terrible, but in Moffats reign, they're the only watchable ones. Moffate has ruined dr who for me. Even the cybermen episode last series was made badly, you would have thought that a surviving ship of cybermen and the return of the cybermats would have been one of the best episodes ever, but it was just plain stupid. Renember that episode "Amys Choice". I actully fell asleap in that. And I hated the arcs in Moffats dr who. Not only were the Moffat arcs more boring than RTDs, but Moffats arcs were two series long. Oh come on it was. Series 5&6 lead into each other. Infact, did you hear that in the new series, there will be no arc because of the many complaints about them going on for too long. The only good things Moffat has done since the beggining of series 5 were the Sielence, the Tardis redesign (which still looks poor, I'd like them to do something sumular to what the doctor had in the old days, but in silver. Not keen on the orange look that the last two had, Pual Mcgans steampunk Tardis is my fave though), and the doctors long coat he wore for a few episodes, reminded me of the last series with Tom Baker, one of my favourate series ever. Everything else is crummy. Fine he brought us the weeping angels, but that was under RTD reign (although the RTD episode with them in didn't even have the doctor, hate those RTD episodes which don't have any Doctor in, probably the only thing I don't miss from RTD). I liked the whole old worn down space ships of RTDs reign, however, it'd be nice to have had some Moffat style clean space ships, and vice versa now, we never see a run down ship anymore. Over all, I used to really look foward to doctor who but after seeing series 6, I don't much. Then again, I have high hopes for the asylam of the daleks. Lets hope that we finaly get the nice mix of Moffat and RTD in the next series! Also, why does RTD not write any episodes anymore? I know he retired from it, but you think he'd do one episode for old times sake.

You know, I try to read this post but the spelling mistakes, grammar mistakes, lack of paragraphs and general ranting tone make it too difficult.
 
IMO, Green Lantern has a point, or at least half a point. However, I must seriously disagree with his casual dismissal of "Amy's Choice." Personally, I think "Amy's Choice" may be the best episode the new series has ever done. Toby Jones is excellent as the Dream Lord. And I love the bit where the Doctor says that he doesn't always save everyone and Amy just spits back, "Then what is the point of you?"
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkhMH3xyPCE[/yt]

Plus... [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIDqYpqh5zE[/yt]
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Regardless, the buck DOES stop with RTD and Moffat, who have the responsibility of balancing creative control versus the budget they're given.

I think that did lead to some issues in late Season 6 when it seemed like, more than usual, the season was backloaded with cheap episodes. "Night Terrors," "The God Complex," & "Closing Time" all felt like they were on the cheap side of things, confining themselves largely to an apartment building, a creepy old mansion, a 1980s hotel, & a department store. And these episodes all came within 3 weeks of each other. Only the very visually elaborate "The Girl Who Waited" seemed to have had any real money spent on it during that period.
 
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IMO, Green Lantern has a point, or at least half a point. However, I must seriously disagree with his casual dismissal of "Amy's Choice." Personally, I think "Amy's Choice" may be the best episode the new series has ever done. Toby Jones is excellent as the Dream Lord. And I love the bit where the Doctor says that he doesn't always save everyone and Amy just spits back, "Then what is the point of you?"

That line might've have more of an effect on me had Bwen not the same thing of Jack Harkness in the first season finale of Torchwood and she did did so much better than Amy did here.
 
IMO, Green Lantern has a point, or at least half a point. However, I must seriously disagree with his casual dismissal of "Amy's Choice." Personally, I think "Amy's Choice" may be the best episode the new series has ever done. Toby Jones is excellent as the Dream Lord. And I love the bit where the Doctor says that he doesn't always save everyone and Amy just spits back, "Then what is the point of you?"

That line might've have more of an effect on me had Bwen not the same thing of Jack Harkness in the first season finale of Torchwood and she did did so much better than Amy did here.

I dunno. (Frankly, it's been a while since I've seen much of Torchwood, but keeping that in mind...) I think it's a line that has much more resonance in an Amy/Doctor context than in a Gwen/Jack one.

Torchwood was a much more adult show and Gwen & Jack's relationship was a much more adult one. The fact that weird shit might lead to someone important getting killed should be expected. That's their job.

On the other hand, Doctor Who is much more of a fairy tale romp, particularly during the 11th Doctor & Amy years. Amy left for a series of fun hijinks with her childhood imaginary friend because she (and the audience) knows that, deep down, the Doctor will keep her & hers safe. And so, when the Doctor fails to save a beloved companion, it absolutely shatters that fundamental sense of security. It reveals just how irresponsible the Doctor is when he gets his companions involved with all this hairy alien stuff without really conveying to them the dangers involved. When Amy asks, "Then what is the point of you?" it works on a meta level as well as a character level.

Plus, from a personal standpoint, I just find Amy to be a much more engaging character than Gwen. (Although, they both made the right move of marrying a nice guy named R. Williams.)
 
RTD has moved on. He wrote the Eleventh Doctor episode of SJA, and even then his dialogue was clearly his, inasmuch as Moffatt's Doctor dialogue is his own style (don't believe me? Re-watch "The Girl In the Fireplace" and imagine Smith saying Tennant's lines).

Heh, a line spoken by the Doctor in The Girl in the Fireplace was even re-used in The Eleventh Hour ("You've had some cowboys in here.") And yeah, it was kind of odd to hear Matt Smith saying RTD-esque dialogue, particularly when he referred to the aliens by their full grandiose name and title.
 
IMO, Green Lantern has a point, or at least half a point. However, I must seriously disagree with his casual dismissal of "Amy's Choice." Personally, I think "Amy's Choice" may be the best episode the new series has ever done. Toby Jones is excellent as the Dream Lord. And I love the bit where the Doctor says that he doesn't always save everyone and Amy just spits back, "Then what is the point of you?"

That line might've have more of an effect on me had Bwen not the same thing of Jack Harkness in the first season finale of Torchwood and she did did so much better than Amy did here.

I dunno. (Frankly, it's been a while since I've seen much of Torchwood, but keeping that in mind...) I think it's a line that has much more resonance in an Amy/Doctor context than in a Gwen/Jack one.

Torchwood was a much more adult show and Gwen & Jack's relationship was a much more adult one. The fact that weird shit might lead to someone important getting killed should be expected. That's their job.

On the other hand, Doctor Who is much more of a fairy tale romp, particularly during the 11th Doctor & Amy years. Amy left for a series of fun hijinks with her childhood imaginary friend because she (and the audience) knows that, deep down, the Doctor will keep her & hers safe. And so, when the Doctor fails to save a beloved companion, it absolutely shatters that fundamental sense of security. It reveals just how irresponsible the Doctor is when he gets his companions involved with all this hairy alien stuff without really conveying to them the dangers involved. When Amy asks, "Then what is the point of you?" it works on a meta level as well as a character level.

Plus, from a personal standpoint, I just find Amy to be a much more engaging character than Gwen. (Although, they both made the right move of marrying a nice guy named R. Williams.)

The line in fact had the same context Gwen said it after Rhys was dead in End Of Days and personally I think Gwen is a much stronger character than Amy.
 
Gwen's great...right up until she starts talking...

Amy's great,whether she's talking or not ;)

I do like Gwen, but it's almost like the directors on a lot of Miracle Day eps were asking her to dial up the fishwife...

As for the earlier...er rant? I gave up on the first line. If people can't break up what they're saying into paragraphs I can't really be arsed to read it. It looks like it's written by someone who has issues (or someone who doesn't understand they can edit after posting) and that's even before I start reading!
 
IMO, Green Lantern has a point, or at least half a point. However, I must seriously disagree with his casual dismissal of "Amy's Choice." Personally, I think "Amy's Choice" may be the best episode the new series has ever done. Toby Jones is excellent as the Dream Lord. And I love the bit where the Doctor says that he doesn't always save everyone and Amy just spits back, "Then what is the point of you?"
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Oh my god, that is the funniest thing I have ever heard in my entire life!
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My god! Wow! That is....:guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:

How can you think Amy choice is the best episode of the modern series? It was one of the worst, badly done, cheap. reminds me of the third story arc of doctor who (way back in the 60s) which was also boring! Amys choice was a prime example of Moffat trying to fill up a series with cheap crap.
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Wow i'm not done! [sides splitting in half!]
I think that did lead to some issues in late Season 6 when it seemed like, more than usual, the season was backloaded with cheap episodes. "Night Terrors," "The God Complex," & "Closing Time" all felt like they were on the cheap side of things, confining themselves largely to an apartment building, a creepy old mansion, a 1980s hotel, & a department store. And these episodes all came within 3 weeks of each other. Only the very visually elaborate "The Girl Who Waited" seemed to have had any real money spent on it during that period.
Yeah, alot of the episodes in series 6 feel really cheap and empty. Atleast that barely eve happened with RTD. Wait, did it? Your favourate episode amys choice is a prime example of this. The two christmas specials were also awfull. They may aswell have not made them. I think they need to stop with the Christmas specials. They've gone on for about 7 years now, they've gotten old. The only really good one was the regeneration two parter and remains within my top three storys ever. I wouldn't mind them if they didn't always have to give them a Christmas theme, I know it's made for Christmas, but how about making it enjoyable instead of festive?
 
Worth remembering that Night Terrors was supposed to air in the first half of the series, but it and the curse of the black spot changed places. Then again you could argue that episode mainly took place on a sailing ship!

As for cheap episodes during the RTD era: Boomtown, Fear Her, Midnight (hey it mainly takes place on a bus) Love and Monsters, hell you could argue Blink was probably fairly cheap...
 
Worth remembering that Night Terrors was supposed to air in the first half of the series, but it and the curse of the black spot changed places. Then again you could argue that episode mainly took place on a sailing ship!

As for cheap episodes during the RTD era: Boomtown, Fear Her, Midnight (hey it mainly takes place on a bus) Love and Monsters, hell you could argue Blink was probably fairly cheap...
Actully loved boom town, one of favourate Ecclesten era episodes. And series one only had one low budget episode, about a quarter of series 6 was low budget. Fear her was bad, same with love and Monsters, but that's still only two episodes. Then again, i didn't like series 2 much eigther, Piper and Tennant didn't work well together, Ecclesten and Rose were great together though. I never did like Blink, but I loved its successor the two parter in series 5 though. Midnight was low budget aswell, same with the episode after that. But still, Midnight was actully ok, it was entertaining, something which Amys choice was not. Still, in the previous series, there was about 1-3 low budget episodes, but in the sixth series, about a quarter of the entire series was low budget and completely and utterly boring. Atleast love and monsters actully had a monster in it, Amy choice just had a couple of robots, a silver room, and some aging make up.
 
[ I think they need to stop with the Christmas specials. They've gone on for about 7 years now, they've gotten old. The only really good one was the regeneration two parter and remains within my top three storys ever. I wouldn't mind them if they didn't always have to give them a Christmas theme, I know it's made for Christmas, but how about making it enjoyable instead of festive?

The Christmas specials have become an annual television event. They bring in Doctor Who's highest ratings for the year, and attract big name guest stars. They'll continue to be around for the forseeable future.
 
The Christmas specials don't need to stop. They just need to be better, and I think they need to involve the current companions. "A Christmas Carol" had Amy and Rory in a crashing spaceship B-plot that nobody cared about, and "The Doctor, the Widow, and the Wardrobe" only had them in the last 3 minutes of the episode (though, admittedly, it was the best 3 minutes of the entire thing...I CRIED).
 
I know a lot of people enjoyed that one, but I found it really boring. I'm pretty sure I dozed off half-way through when it first aired. Plus I found the time travel to be a little too timey-whimey.
 
The Christmas specials don't need to stop. They just need to be better, and I think they need to involve the current companions. "A Christmas Carol" had Amy and Rory in a crashing spaceship B-plot that nobody cared about, and "The Doctor, the Widow, and the Wardrobe" only had them in the last 3 minutes of the episode (though, admittedly, it was the best 3 minutes of the entire thing...I CRIED).

I didn't mind Any and Rory's small part. The Christmas specials have tended to be Doctor solo stories anyway.

And the less said about tDtWatW, the better. Except for a good first third and the ending, it was definitely a bump in the road in a series of generally good Christmas stories.
 
I know a lot of people enjoyed that one, but I found it really boring. I'm pretty sure I dozed off half-way through when it first aired. Plus I found the time travel to be a little too timey-whimey.
You DOZED OFF half-way through a show with MICHAEL GAMBON and FLYING SHARKS? It's like you and I are two completely different people.
 
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