Star trek the motion pic DE on Blu-ray Petition
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TMP-DE on Blu-Ray? Sign me up although I suspect a lot of the f/x sequences would have to be redone to work for HD.
For me the DE fixes a lot of misses in the theatrical cut and I don't really miss whatever was dropped. It's a decent trade-off for an improved viewing experience. The ALV just added mostly unneeded stuff without fixing anything.
Presently I have the DE on DVD and I've resisted buying the theatrical cut on Blu-Ray.
For me the DE fixes a lot of misses in the theatrical cut and I don't really miss whatever was dropped. It's a decent trade-off for an improved viewing experience. The ALV just added mostly unneeded stuff without fixing anything.
Presently I have the DE on DVD and I've resisted buying the theatrical cut on Blu-Ray.
The Theatrical Edition is a mess in it's sound department while the Special Longer Edition is a mess in the editing department.
I will ALWAYS prefer the Director's Edition over any other version because I cannot STAND that computer voice! It's loud, intrusive, it drowns out dialogue and it's a male voice. The Enterprise should always have a female voice (which the Director's Edition adds in scenes where the computer's voice was actually needed). And while some will be missed, I'm also a fan of the cuts and trims that were made as well. I was very happy that they cut the shot of Kirk shrugging Bones off when he was talking to Spock, and how they kept the reveal of a ship being in the cloud a secret until the Epsilon 9 scene.
I stand by the Director's Edition 110%.
I will ALWAYS prefer the Director's Edition over any other version because I cannot STAND that computer voice! It's loud, intrusive, it drowns out dialogue and it's a male voice. The Enterprise should always have a female voice (which the Director's Edition adds in scenes where the computer's voice was actually needed). And while some will be missed, I'm also a fan of the cuts and trims that were made as well. I was very happy that they cut the shot of Kirk shrugging Bones off when he was talking to Spock, and how they kept the reveal of a ship being in the cloud a secret until the Epsilon 9 scene.
I stand by the Director's Edition 110%.
Obviously you can't make everyone happy, but one particular image I saw in 1979 really stuck in my head and symbolized the misses and rushed finish: the exterior shot where Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Decker and the Ilia probe go out onto the ship's hull. Immediately we could see how poorly executed that shot looked. It was so disappointing to see in what otherwise was a generally awesome looking film. In subsequent viewings I started to notice other little things that weren't right, and that bad visual came to represent all the little misses. None of the misses on their own were that bad, but commutatively they affect the rest of the film.
The DE fixed pretty much all of that. The one thing the DE, or any cut, can't fix is the need for some more dramatic character interplay. Otherwise I still really like this film.
The DE fixed pretty much all of that. The one thing the DE, or any cut, can't fix is the need for some more dramatic character interplay. Otherwise I still really like this film.
By the way, I've read that one scene on the BluRay has been taken from the DE ... appearently an exterior shot of the Enterprise with a colour corrected deflector dish. Is that true? Where exactly can that shot be seen in the movie?
The DE is the better version. Not perfect, and not all that GR wanted it to be. But it's closer than the other cuts of the film.
That said, I just moved up to a 1080p TV and Blu-Ray last weekend (tax holiday weekend) and I'm SO blown away with the upgrade in quality that I'm tempted to get the version available on BD now just to see TMP in this format.
That said, I just moved up to a 1080p TV and Blu-Ray last weekend (tax holiday weekend) and I'm SO blown away with the upgrade in quality that I'm tempted to get the version available on BD now just to see TMP in this format.
That's what I understand.
Well that would make it easier.
As TMP is my favorite of all the Trek films, It's nice to see this.
Now I like the longer version the most, except for the bit of Kirk coming out of the airlock, and seeing all the studio scafoloding. I'd combined the longer version with some of the DE stuff, like:
1:the added sound effects in the Klingon scenes
2:the changed subtitles in the Vulcan scene, but keeping the moons and planetoids, it really made Vulcan feel alien.
3:the San Fransico improvments
4:I'm fine with either a female or male voice for the computers, and I like the new Klaxons.
5:Keep the stuff like Sulu and Ilea, God in our own image....and the bit where Bones accuses Kirk of taking advantage of the situation to get the ship back....the longer version Bones sounded better, in the DE, he sounded more like he was just reading off a que card or rehearsing.
6:The improved bit of the plasma weapon disappearing and the sound effects ending where they should be.
7:I say out the memory wall sequence in, it was filmed....make it part of the extras in the very least, and maybe use modern CG to complete the scene, and make it how it was planned out. I want to see this.
8:The improved V'ger walk with all the floating bits.
Now I like the longer version the most, except for the bit of Kirk coming out of the airlock, and seeing all the studio scafoloding. I'd combined the longer version with some of the DE stuff, like:
1:the added sound effects in the Klingon scenes
2:the changed subtitles in the Vulcan scene, but keeping the moons and planetoids, it really made Vulcan feel alien.
3:the San Fransico improvments
4:I'm fine with either a female or male voice for the computers, and I like the new Klaxons.
5:Keep the stuff like Sulu and Ilea, God in our own image....and the bit where Bones accuses Kirk of taking advantage of the situation to get the ship back....the longer version Bones sounded better, in the DE, he sounded more like he was just reading off a que card or rehearsing.
6:The improved bit of the plasma weapon disappearing and the sound effects ending where they should be.
7:I say out the memory wall sequence in, it was filmed....make it part of the extras in the very least, and maybe use modern CG to complete the scene, and make it how it was planned out. I want to see this.
8:The improved V'ger walk with all the floating bits.
Is there any detailed stuff on "In They Image", because I wanna try and take a crack at them with some 3D renders, like the memory wall, the V'ger walk and all that in the original planned Phase 2 stuff and unused TMP stuff.
Personally, I don't consider those improvements. They changed the scene without honoring the intent of the original VFX artists. I'd much rather they just cleaned up the original shots and reinserted/recreated this one, which is what the city and tram station was intended to look like:
Really? That was terribly acted.
Everyone agreed it didn't work, which is why it was scrapped. It was considered dull and inert, which is why they went with the rocket ride of Spock zooming through V'ger's data images.
Only if they correct the idiocy of the points of light being animated on twos!
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The DE version trashed the soundtrack of the original.
The method used to replace sound effects, such as the alert klaxons, leaves signatures of the original sound effects intact on the leading edges, which I suspect may have been due to not having unmixed tracks for all elements on the original soundtrack to work with. That makes the existing DE soundtrack not up to snuff, just on a technical level.
Besides, I love the Epsilon IX computer translator voice.
The method used to replace sound effects, such as the alert klaxons, leaves signatures of the original sound effects intact on the leading edges, which I suspect may have been due to not having unmixed tracks for all elements on the original soundtrack to work with. That makes the existing DE soundtrack not up to snuff, just on a technical level.
Besides, I love the Epsilon IX computer translator voice.
Personally, I don't consider those improvements. They changed the scene without honoring the intent of the original VFX artists. I'd much rather they just cleaned up the original shots and reinserted/recreated this one, which is what the city and tram station was intended to look like:
Really? That was terribly acted.
Everyone agreed it didn't work, which is why it was scrapped. It was considered dull and inert, which is why they went with the rocket ride of Spock zooming through V'ger's data images.
Only if they correct the idiocy of the points of light being animated on twos!
Allow me to clafify
I ment the inside of san franisco, where that air bus, or whatever Kirk was on landed, I liked the reduction of the wall and the TOS shuttlecraft taking off.
I liked the Sulu/Ilea bit because, I've had moments myself where, in the presence of a very beautiful woman, I'm stumbing a bit myself, when I was a teen, so it felt natural seeing it.
As fo the memory wall, I'd like to find the details, dialogue and so on regarding it, because CG imaging is a hobby of mine, and I want to see if I can make a set of images, I want to recreate something similar, as homage to that scene, in a comic I have plans to make.
I'd pretty much say the same for the light...I would have had the scene start with the brigde being built as the four of them emergy from that hatch on the saucer.
Also, I'd digitally correct the color bands on Spock's and Bones' jackets, that would probably be the easiest part fix up of the entire film, I bet.
Also, I wish we could have seen another starfleet ship approach V'ger, as opposed to the Epsilon 9 station, since, I think, the original script planned for a ship instead of the station.
And I myself liked the Vulcan sky full of planetoids, gave ut a very alien feel, and my mom, when watching it, goes, "Wow! That looks awesome!"
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