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When Voyager goes bad...
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Paris the 20th century pop culture geek, but I swear I heard someone (not Tom) use the phrase "Bonnie & Clyde" on a S5 episode. It was a real wtf moment; would anyone in 24thC even know significance of term. let alone how to use it correctly? And don't even get me started on Janeway's "you realise you could all be hanged for mutiny". I mean, what? Was she yanking their chains?
Yanking their nooses.
Their ball gags more like it.
See how fetching Janeway is employing such antiquated terminology when she's really talking about her own creativity?
"Hanged for mutiny".. heh heh..
See how fetching Janeway is employing such antiquated terminology when she's really talking about her own creativity?
"Hanged for mutiny".. heh heh..
Tuvok once asks whether he "shall flog them [the crew] as well?"
Of course, all in a Vulcan sort of jest, but given the nautical background/vocabulary/structure/traditions of Starfleet I assume naval history -- warts and all -- is part of the curriculum at the Academy.
Survival classes would include a syllabus on being lost in time through out many eras in history where the the cadets would learn such words as "Groovy baby" "That's Boss" or "Smell you later!."
Michael Piller left the show after the second season ("Basics, Part II," which he wrote, was produced during the second year but aired as part of the third). His title after that point was "creative consultant," which usually denotes having no responsibilities or power beyond being able to comment on scripts.
Jeri Taylor left the show after the fourth season, although she also retained the usually powerless title of "creative consultant." Apparently, she intended to continue to write scripts for the show, but only ended up writing one -- "Nothing Human" -- during the fifth season.
In other words, both were off the show and barely involved during season six (and season seven).
I think the memorial was supposed to be a 24th century version of the "whisper tunnel." That's a museum exhibit where you walk through a darkened tunnel with whispers all around you spewing racial, ethnic & gender epithets at you. The idea is to experience what minorities experience.
I can tell someone what it feels like to have rocks thrown at me by classmates because I was a "Christ killer" or what it feels like to have a gas station attendent tell me to leave because they don't serve "prairie n*ggrs," but the most common response is, "well, sticks & stones and all that--it's just words."
A whisper tunnel is a lot more effective because it puts the museum-goer in the minorities' shoes.
The hanged I found odd - I thought she could say blown out of an airlock. But as to the general use of antiquated terms and references... our language is full of them now, full of terms that are centuries old. Many we don't even consciously think of. I'm trying to think of a good example, but they pass into vernacular so much. Actually one - jumping on the bandwagon. We use it all the time, but I looked it up the other day. How often do people still say they're "taping" something to mean record. Even kids don't know tape now and that's about ten years ago.
By the 24th century they could just be figures of speech so I'll forgive them pretty much anything in that regard as you can argue it.
Having said that - I'm less forgiving when the aliens use foreign phrases. And always having someone on board who knows about the time period (Tom about 20th century, Janeway about Ireland) is rather tired.
At the time I remember preferring it to seasons 5 and 6 and possibly 4. Considering I hated 5 and 6 originally. Now my verdict is season 5 is great, and season 6 has a few good eps but is very tedious at times. I'll be interested to see how my view of season 7 holds up... I will know very soon.
I always pretty much expected that, and the titles to be honorary. I was just trying to work out if there was anything that could have led to a shift in quality. I wonder if it was the setting up of Enterprise starting to show now.
As to season 6 generally... Good Shepherd was highly contrived, but not bad. Live Fast and Prosper is good fun, and the first one that felt like it was returning to better form. Muse made me lose the will to live it was so dire. Fury... well... I have a whole topic in mind for that. I wasn't exploding with rage as last time, but I think it defiles Kes and her departure. Life Line very good... and Haunting of Deck 12. Haunting I don't recall, much like a lot of these last season 6 eps, but LOVED it. Loved the story, loved the direction... really good.
Well, I'll stop my proselytizing for "One Small Step" and a few other Season 6 eps. Season 7? Adored Drive, for its screwball comedy elements; "Critical Care" for its social satire elements; loved "Lineage" for its character insights; "Body and Soul" because it was so much damn fun. Running out of commentary time but also adored Shattered, Prophecy (Klingons in the Delta Quadrant!!); Workforce; the B-plot (involving Tom going to pilot school) in Natural Law (the rest kinda sucked); Author, Author; Friendship One; and Homestead, the latter being one of the more graceful -- if a tad contrived -- exits of a main character from Trek.
All in all, a damn fine season; my favourite after #5.
All in all, a damn fine season; my favourite after #5.
I never used to mind this ep but watched recently and really bugged me.
I'll admit I laughed my head off the first time I saw it.
I think I would be more sensitive about the whole matter now, but only because of years of reading Lynx's posts.
I think I would be more sensitive about the whole matter now, but only because of years of reading Lynx's posts.
The story of Kes after she abandoned Voyager in 'The Gift' has a few comprehensive write-outs on the net. Their is one story by Linx that is good Star Trek fiction and as big as a small novel and another called Wumi Story and is only two pages long in voyagr-ep-memorys. In 'Wumi Story' he explains how it was her decision to use her powers.
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