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Is Nuwho just continuing testimoney during Ttrial of a Timelord?

But I was talking in absolutes and not specifics.

Is a planet still a planet if it buggers off?

If a dwarf planet isn't a planet then a rogue planet isn't a planet which follows my earlier bad logic and perhaps assures victory.
Yeah, let's anchor this debate in steadfast verisimilitude and immaculate logic.

Say, had the Daleks' plan been successful in "The Dalek Invasion of Earth", and had they managed to hollow out the Earth and turn it into a giant spaceship, would the Earth has somehow stopped being a planet then? For that matter, did it stop being a planet in "The Stolen Earth"?
 
I actually thought about rogue planets while typing what I typed, thinking about that horrible episode of Enterprise when Archer goes hunting invisible aliens on a Rogue Planet...

Oh, that's a terrific episode. It has a very TOS feel to it, and lovely music.


But I was talking in absolutes and not specifics.

Is a planet still a planet if it buggers off?

If a dwarf planet isn't a planet then a rogue planet isn't a planet which follows my earlier bad logic and perhaps assures victory.

Well, the whole "a dwarf planet isn't a planet" thing is iffy at best and not every scientist abides by it. In any case, the official IAU definition of planets and dwarf planets was only formulated with regard to bodies within our Solar System and intentionally avoided addressing the definitions of extrasolar bodies -- which is one of the major criticisms of it, that it's not universal enough to be scientifically useful. So it really doesn't have any bearing on what we call extrasolar planetary-mass objects. Scientists routinely refer to PMOs around other stars as extrasolar planets or exoplanets, and they refer to PMOs that don't orbit stars as rogue planets, nomad planets, or various other kinds of planets -- or at worst, planetars or planemos. There's no strict consensus on what to call them, but most scientists clearly have no problem calling them planets.
 
Then there are 13 planets in our solar system.

8 planets plus 5 dwarf planets.

Wait?

13!

Well that explains a lot.
 
Way I hear it, from the fishwives, stronger telescopes noticed that half the mass they thought was Pluto turned out to be another moon but right up close to Pluto that they looked like a regular sized planet through the old telescopes.

It's like a 7 year old standing on another 7 year olds shoulders, in a rain coat together, trying to sneak into a strip club.
 
Way I hear it, from the fishwives, stronger telescopes noticed that half the mass they thought was Pluto turned out to be another moon but right up close to Pluto that they looked like a regular sized planet through the old telescopes.

It's like a 7 year old standing on another 7 year olds shoulders, in a rain coat together, trying to sneak into a strip club.
Oh Great, now I have an image in my brain of Hekyl and Jekyl on each others shoulders in a rain coat, and it'll take me a week to get rid of it.

((((("Shall We"..."Let's")))))

Speaking of that exchange, I seem to remember a similar exchange in Classic Who? No?? (perhaps Romana and 4?)
 
Way I hear it, from the fishwives, stronger telescopes noticed that half the mass they thought was Pluto turned out to be another moon but right up close to Pluto that they looked like a regular sized planet through the old telescopes.

It's like a 7 year old standing on another 7 year olds shoulders, in a rain coat together, trying to sneak into a strip club.
So wait, they saw Pluto and the sales Counter she was standing in front of or behind and declared her Marilyn Monroe.

Then they got stronger glasses and realized Pluto was actually More Anne Heche or Calista Flockheart and they just downgraded her in Hotness with no warning? Dude, that's kinda rude...
 
I'm not entirely sure why you don't think that Calista and Anne are not also the most beautiful woman in the world?

(You would have to pick two of my favorites... Are you watching the season 4 Ally McBeal episodes where Anne is playing John Cage's girlfriend? That stuff with the oddball parade was really creepy and trying.)
 
I'm not entirely sure why you don't think that Calista and Anne are not also the most beautiful woman in the world?

(You would have to pick two of my favorites... Are you watching the season 4 Ally McBeal episodes where Anne is playing John Cage's girlfriend? That stuff with the oddball parade was really creepy and trying.)
Sorry, I was speaking to their size, and Calista I was referring to Post Ally McBeal toothpick size. So, if you think Marilyn's Full figure is hot/ideal (Pluto + it's Moon getting full Planet designation), then a 90 pounder (Pluto without it's moon) with no meat on her bones wouldn't measure up

Now you've gone and sucked all the humor out of it ;)
 
I think there's a misunderstanding here about Pluto's history. They didn't "downgrade" it to dwarf planet because they found it was smaller than they thought -- at least, not directly. There was a whole generation between those events. After Pluto was first discovered in 1930, estimates were taken of its mass and it was deemed large enough to be called a planet, though still quite small. In 1978, its moon Charon was discovered and it was realized that Pluto was even smaller than we thought. After that, a number of scientists questioned whether something so small really should be counted as a planet, but the question wasn't really dealt with in earnest until 2005, when we discovered the body now called Eris (then nicknamed "Xena") and determined that it was more massive than Pluto. That forced the issue: if Pluto was a planet, then so was "Xena," and if "Xena" wasn't a planet, then neither was Pluto. This led to the infamous 2006 International Astronomical Union conference that led to the formal definition of the dwarf planet category which includes Pluto, Eris, Ceres, and the trans-Neptunian objects Haumea and Makemake, and which is expected to expand to include dozens or hundreds of other objects whose mass and shape haven't yet been measured precisely enough to define their status.

So contrary to popular belief, the debate was never really about what to call Pluto; it was about what to call Eris and other possible future objects that we might find to be larger than Pluto. Finding a systematic definition that could tell us what label to put on those objects necessarily affected Pluto's status as well, but the general public's fixation on Pluto as the one and only subject of the controversy is completely missing the point.
 
Actually, the point was that many of us grew up being taught Pluto was one of our 9 Planets. The "raped my Childhood" was a riff on the Star Wars Fans regarding George Lucas' monkeying with the Original Trilogy, and the riffing on Guy's comments
 
I was curious about the religious ramifications.

Pluto seems like a pretty heady God to waste on just a Dwarf Planet.
 
And why is being a dwarf planet a "waste?" There are probably far more dwarf planets in the Solar System than there are planets; we just haven't discovered most of them yet. That's hardly inconsequential.

This is why science is better than dogma. Science is honest enough to admit it doesn't know everything and to embrace new discoveries rather than rejecting or denying them. Clinging to the past is self-defeating. For generations, people called Ceres a planet until it finally became universally accepted as an asteroid; now, most people are completely unaware that it was ever considere a planet at all. We change our assumptions about the universe as we learn more about it, and there's always more to learn.

So just because dwarf planets are new doesn't make them inferior or trivial. On the contrary, they're the most important, big thing to happen in the study of the Solar System in generations. At a time when we'd come to complacently assume we had a fairly complete understanding of our star system, we now realize that we may have found only a fraction of its constituent members. That's very important.
 
Imagine you kinda died.

(Sorry)

And that the ancient Greeks were right.

Cheron's got his hand out, and you ain't getting on that boat till you give the skinny bugger 2 obbles.

So after all that, you're standing in front of Pluto, the God of Death.

Alpowerful don'tchu'know?

"To the left of me ' He says, points as well. points and says, a man that can multitask? Must be a god... "To the left of me" He says "Is the Elysium Fields, a bountiful paradise of eternal reward and avarice... " Then life's nemesis points in the other direction, continuing "To the right of me is Tartarus where my minions will take delight in stripping your skin, dousing you in citris juices and then make fun of your hair cut for a thousand years, before they really get stuck in."

The commander in chief of Hel, Heaven and Purgatory will perhaps give you some time to "gulp" perplexed in anticipation as to which would be your most deserved fate, when the dark lord of comeuppence then asks you a single question to tip the scales one way or the other... "I was curious if you knew for sure, there seems to be some confusion... Is Pluto a planet?"

What, what are you going to say to say to that?
 
Lots of dwarf planets, moons, Kuiper Belt objects, asteroids, geographic features on planets, and the like are named for deities. After all, there are only a few planets and a ton of deity names. So it's not like it's really a big deal. Planets are just one category of astronomical object, not intrinsically more important than other categories.
 
And our galaxy is named after a pint sized chocolate bar.

Since this thread is sorta about Trial of a Time Lord, how much impact did Earth shipping to the other side of the universe really have, that some poor bastard didn't just tow it back eventually by the time NuWho started?

Removing Earth violently would have unbalanced the entire solar system that we could have dislodged much of what we regard as landmarks these days, and much like Nietzsche almost said, the Gods would have abandoned us.
 
And our galaxy is named after a pint sized chocolate bar.

Since this thread is sorta about Trial of a Time Lord, how much impact did Earth shipping to the other side of the universe really have, that some poor bastard didn't just tow it back eventually by the time NuWho started?

Removing Earth violently would have unbalanced the entire solar system that we could have dislodged much of what we regard as landmarks these days, and much like Nietzsche almost said, the Gods would have abandoned us.

Since it was the Time Lords who moved the earth and supposedly tthe entire constellation, once the truth was made known in the trial they more than likely moved it all right back to where it was orginally.
 
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