Jack Ryan Reboot
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Rainbow Six isn't a Jack Ryan story. The Sum of All Fears was the subject of the last attempt to reboot the franchise, so there's no way they'd start with that again. China brings you into "President Ryan" territory, an entirely different type of movie than the one they want to make, and means you can't market the film in China, which will cost them revenue.
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This, although I agree with your entire but I want to emphasize this part. There's absolutely nothing about Jack Ryan that interests me. I love, love The Hunt for Red October but Ryan is one of the least interesting aspects about it (hell, for a long time I didn't even like Baldwin's portrayal, wishing Ford was in it instead, but I've since changed my tune). Clear and Present Danger is another great film but the only thing that makes Ryan interesting is that he's played by Harrison Ford and he's really pissed off! I don't remember much about Patriot Games or The Sum of All Fears, other than I didn't like them at all.
As you said, the only thing that makes Ryan at all interesting is that he's a fish out of water. There's only so many times you can do that before it becomes repetitive and counterintuitive. He doesn't bring anything intriguing to the table like James Bond and Jason Bourne do.
Ah, I understand you now. But from your original post, I understood you to be arguing in favour of exact adaptations of the novels set in their original time frame. That's what I thought you meant by 'stop worrying when they're set.'
I have to say I just don't really understand. First off, is Jack Ryan a big enough name anymore to draw a large mainstream audience? If not, what is the logic behind using the characters name for something not tied to any of the books. Ryan has NEVER been an action star, even the movie of Clear and Present Danger sort of shoehorned Ryan into the finale to give him something to do. Personally, John Clark was almost always the action guy in Clancy's novels and much more interesting. Something which the film of The Sum of All Fears COMPLETELY screwed up.
They should focus on John Clark and make Rainbow Six or maybe even Debt of Honor, although that ending may be tough to do in this day and age. Hell, if Clancy's name is the draw, I'd make Red Storm Rising even though its probably impossible to do in a 2-3 hour movie.
At this point, I'm much more looking forward to seeing Vince Flynn's Mitch Rapp on screen. Hopefully, at some point, they'll make Memorial Day into a film. That would make an awesome movie.
They should focus on John Clark and make Rainbow Six or maybe even Debt of Honor, although that ending may be tough to do in this day and age. Hell, if Clancy's name is the draw, I'd make Red Storm Rising even though its probably impossible to do in a 2-3 hour movie.
At this point, I'm much more looking forward to seeing Vince Flynn's Mitch Rapp on screen. Hopefully, at some point, they'll make Memorial Day into a film. That would make an awesome movie.
^ Apparently there are plans afoot to adapt Without Remorse, a Clark novel. Chris McQuarrie (The Usual Suspects and the forthcoming Reacher movie) has been offered it.
Of course, this may end up being entirely divorced from the Ryan movies, thus pissing off Clancy's readership even further.
http://www.movieswithbutter.com/Uncategorized/Christopher-McQuarrie-Is-Without-Remorse
Of course, this may end up being entirely divorced from the Ryan movies, thus pissing off Clancy's readership even further.
http://www.movieswithbutter.com/Uncategorized/Christopher-McQuarrie-Is-Without-Remorse
I read Clancy's books up through the early-00s. (The last I read was Red Rabbit.) I loved The Hunt for Red October film, though Patriot Games was merely adequate, and enjoyed Clear and Present Danger. (I've not seen The Sum of All Fears.) I'm not exactly sure why you'd do a Jack Ryan movie at this point. I understand why you did a Jack Ryan movie in the 1980s -- Tom Clancy was one of the best-selling authors on the planet at that time, and movie studios could do movies without the expectation of launching franchises -- but Clancy isn't the name that he was then (and, to the extent that he is, people today know Clancy's name for Ubisoft's games like Rainbox Six, Splinter Cell, and Ghost Recon), and Jack Ryan doesn't exactly lend himself to franchisability.
One problem, as has been pointed out above, is that there are two Jack Ryan eras. There's the CIA Analyst era, when he's a desk jockey who gets lucky and goes out in the field on occasion. And there's the political animal era, when Jack Ryan ultimately finds himself in the White House.
The political animal era, frankly, would make a pretty good television series -- it would be the conservative West Wing, basically -- but I don't see what you would do with the CIA Analyst era that hasn't been done already. And Ryan isn't that compelling a character.
One problem, as has been pointed out above, is that there are two Jack Ryan eras. There's the CIA Analyst era, when he's a desk jockey who gets lucky and goes out in the field on occasion. And there's the political animal era, when Jack Ryan ultimately finds himself in the White House.
The political animal era, frankly, would make a pretty good television series -- it would be the conservative West Wing, basically -- but I don't see what you would do with the CIA Analyst era that hasn't been done already. And Ryan isn't that compelling a character.
I was a big Clancy fan, even though I wasn't always 100% with him politically,but I think his mindset changed after 9/11 (as did a lot of writers') and I found I wasn't as keen.
I'd agree that Ryan doesn't scream reboot! And frankly I'd much prefer a John Clark/Domingo Chavez series of films. Hell there's a great trilogy there to be made. start with Without Remorce, a low budget thriller, then move onto Clear and Present Danger as an out and out war film focusing on Clark and Chavez with Ryan as just a peripheral character, then you finish off with Rainbow Six and a full on big budget Bond style blockbuster
I'd agree that Ryan doesn't scream reboot! And frankly I'd much prefer a John Clark/Domingo Chavez series of films. Hell there's a great trilogy there to be made. start with Without Remorce, a low budget thriller, then move onto Clear and Present Danger as an out and out war film focusing on Clark and Chavez with Ryan as just a peripheral character, then you finish off with Rainbow Six and a full on big budget Bond style blockbuster
The original plan I believe was indeed to adapt "Red Rabbit" after "The Sum of All Fears" with Ben Affleck reprising the role. The book's poor reviews though I assume changed Paramount's mind and they decided to just reboot the entire franchise. As I've said a couple of times, this project has changed and been through a lot of drafts and writers prior to Branagh coming aboard. Prior to now it was known as "Moscow" for the longest time. I think it's been called "Jack Ryan" only for the last few months to a year.
I'm a Ryan fan and a Chris Pine fan. The cast seems great so far and with Branagh directing I'm definitely interested. Demotion mentioned "Without Remorse" which has been in development hell since Paramount obtained the film rights shortly after the novel came out. Chris McQuarrie's script is the latest attempt.
I'm a Ryan fan and a Chris Pine fan. The cast seems great so far and with Branagh directing I'm definitely interested. Demotion mentioned "Without Remorse" which has been in development hell since Paramount obtained the film rights shortly after the novel came out. Chris McQuarrie's script is the latest attempt.
^ Pretty much seems to be the plan. Very intriguing about Costner. I was hoping he'd accept their offer.
I like the idea of Hardy as Clark, though I always got the feeling clark was a lot older than Ryan (then again I guess Hardy is a fair few years older than Pine?)
Edit, actually he's only 3 years older, but maybe I got the wrong impression from the books and they are more contemporaries?
Edit, actually he's only 3 years older, but maybe I got the wrong impression from the books and they are more contemporaries?
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"Jack, meet Ethan Hunt, Axel Foley and Snake Eyes."
Yeah that'd definitelty work with Pine/Hardy then. Maybe its time to reread the books, I always felt Clark was a good decade (at least) older than Ryan
So much for my powers of clairvoyance (re keeping the characters separate). I'm available if anyone wants me to predict their future, the lottery numbers, etc...
Apart from the Marvelverse, can anyone think of another cinematic universe which has been created in this joined-up way? I'm sure it has been done, but off the top of my head, I can't think of any.