Did the Master's TARDIS Love the Master?

[Guy Gardener]

Symbiotic or parasitic relationship?

Remember, it's altogether possible that the Master's TARDIS was a psychopath too...

Metaphorically what was it when Three stole that TARDIS's Dematerialization circuit?

Rape or Castration?

The Master might have just been along for the ride half the time.

 

[Christopher]

The Doctor's TARDIS loves him because he loves it back. The Master is incapable of love and unworthy of it. All other people are just slaves or pawns to him, and he'd feel the same way about his TARDIS. He'd treat it as just a thing, and it would react accordingly.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he'd deliberately lobotomized his TARDIS so that it couldn't defy his will. He couldn't tolerate being at the mercy of another consciousness. He'd need to be in absolute control.

As for removing a component, I don't think a biological analogy really holds. TARDISes get repaired, reconstructed, and reconfigured all the time. Physically they're very mutable, so their consciousnesses wouldn't feel too attached to any physical part of themselves the way we are.

 

[Guy Gardener]

That sounds like Anthony Ainely's Master to a tea.

Roger on the other hand seemed charming even as he tried to feed you to his furniture.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Also, the Master has always had more than one TARDIS on the go- no monogamy for him. To him they're just tools, or workhorses - obey him and all is well, but screw up or go lame... Always plenty more fish in the sea.

 

[C.E. Evans]

I always thought that the Master's TARDIS was a much newer model than the Doctor's and didn't have the same quirks.

 

[Christopher]

Also, the Master has always had more than one TARDIS on the go- no monogamy for him. To him they're just tools, or workhorses - obey him and all is well, but screw up or go lame... Always plenty more fish in the sea.

I didn't know that. Is there a canonical basis for that, or does it come from the books/comics/audios?

 

[Guy Gardener]

When three stole the Master's TARDIS's dematerialization Circuit, to replace his own that had been bolloxed by the Timelords to cement his exile... His console blew up because it was incompitable, taken from a more advanced time machine... I'm not looking it up, but the words 'Type 60" are dancing about between my ears.

I just started rewatching seaosn 5 a couple hours ago and the Doctor is being all happy about his TARDIS rolling out a new control room, and I wondered if the Master's TARDIS had such cart blanche on the interior decorating front?

 

[Captaindemotion]

It didn't love him, it just used him for sex.

 

[Peacemaker]

When three stole the Master's TARDIS's dematerialization Circuit, to replace his own that had been bolloxed by the Timelords to cement his exile... His console blew up because it was incompitable, taken from a more advanced time machine... I'm not looking it up, but the words 'Type 60" are dancing about between my ears.

I just started rewatching seaosn 5 a couple hours ago and the Doctor is being all happy about his TARDIS rolling out a new control room, and I wondered if the Master's TARDIS had such cart blanche on the interior decorating front?

Doctor's TARDIS: Type 40 (term begun with The Deadly Assassin).
Also called a "Mark 1" in the Pertwee era. The Master's was "Mark 2."

 

[Christopher]

I think it's safe to assume that the Doctor's relationship with his TARDIS is not typical of Time Lords in general. They're a stuffy, aloof lot on the whole, and the Doctor is exceptional because of his sentimental side. Most Time Lords would do things by the book -- you need a TARDIS, you file the necessary paperwork, you get one assigned to you, you do the particular job you intended to do with it, you return it to the lot. If you need a TARDIS again, you requisition another one, probably a newer model if one's become available. The Doctor, by contrast, fell in love with a run-down old Type 40 that was in the shop for repairs, and he ran away with it -- or, as we now know thanks to Neil Gaiman, they mutually fell in love and eloped together. And the TARDIS has been his only home ever since, for hundreds of subjective years. It's an unprecedented partnership.

True, the Master did also steal his TARDIS and has travelled in it (or them, according to Lonemagpie for a long time, but while it was an elopement for the Doctor, it was no doubt more of a kidnapping for the Master.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Also, the Master has always had more than one TARDIS on the go- no monogamy for him. To him they're just tools, or workhorses - obey him and all is well, but screw up or go lame... Always plenty more fish in the sea.

I didn't know that. Is there a canonical basis for that, or does it come from the books/comics/audios?

Keeper of Traken straight off- he has both the Melkur statue and the grandfather clock. (the latter of which starts off parked inside the former, which the following story suggests would have been a very bad idea!)

 

[Sindatur]

Also, the Master has always had more than one TARDIS on the go- no monogamy for him. To him they're just tools, or workhorses - obey him and all is well, but screw up or go lame... Always plenty more fish in the sea.

I didn't know that. Is there a canonical basis for that, or does it come from the books/comics/audios?

Keeper of Traken straight off- he has both the Melkur statue and the grandfather clock. (the latter of which starts off parked inside the former, which the following story suggests would have been a very bad idea!)

They weren't the same TARDIS? How do we know that?

 

[Lonemagpie]

I didn't know that. Is there a canonical basis for that, or does it come from the books/comics/audios?

Keeper of Traken straight off- he has both the Melkur statue and the grandfather clock. (the latter of which starts off parked inside the former, which the following story suggests would have been a very bad idea!)

They weren't the same TARDIS? How do we know that?

The Doctor outright says so in the next story

 

[Sindatur]

Keeper of Traken straight off- he has both the Melkur statue and the grandfather clock. (the latter of which starts off parked inside the former, which the following story suggests would have been a very bad idea!)

They weren't the same TARDIS? How do we know that?

The Doctor outright says so in the next story

I'll have to pay attention for that, next time I watch Logopolis, I never noticed that before, thanks.

 

[Redfern]

Magpie is correct. The Melkur TARDIS (the abstract statue) burst into flames caused by Adric tampering with the "Source Manipulator" (a McGuffin device for the story). One can briefly see a simplistic grandfather clock in the background that later shows up to trap Tremas (played byAanthony Ainley) so the "crispy critter" Master (played by Geoffry Beevers) to take over his body.

Sincerely,

Bill

 

[Sindatur]

Magpie is correct. The Melkur TARDIS (the abstract statue) burst into flames caused by Adric tampering with the "Source Manipulator" (a McGuffin device for the story). One can briefly see a simplistic grandfather clock in the background that later shows up to trap Tremas (played byAanthony Ainley) so the "crispy critter" Master (played by Geoffry Beevers) to take over his body.

Sincerely,

Bill

oh, I totally know of both TARDISes in Keeper of Trakken, I just wasn't aware that they weren't the same TARDIS (The clock, I believe is there before The Crispy Master parks his TARDIS around it, so, I previously believed when the flames flared up about The Melkur, the Master simply moved the TARDIS from within the Source to the where the Clock was and kicked the Chameleon Circuit on)

 

[Davros]

Stockholm Syndrome

 

[Christopher]

Stockholm Syndrome

You mean... the Master's TARDIS disguises itself as the capital of Sweden?

 

[Lonemagpie]

oh, I totally know of both TARDISes in Keeper of Trakken, I just wasn't aware that they weren't the same TARDIS (The clock, I believe is there before The Crispy Master parks his TARDIS around it, so, I previously believed when the flames flared up about The Melkur, the Master simply moved the TARDIS from within the Source to the where the Clock was and kicked the Chameleon Circuit on)

No, the clock is in the background aboard the Melkur TARDIS, and only later reappears in a Traken corridor, to Tremas' confusion.

Then in Logopolis episode 2, the Doctor says "he must have had a second TARDIS hidden away."

 

[Guy Gardener]

Now I'm thinking that Master's two TARDIS's at that period, were cast together by unusual standards and forced into a elicit life of evil doing where their only respite was the embrace of each others tender lovings between dastardly missions to up end the status quo.

So if the Master's TARDI were doing it...

Did the Master like to watch?