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Will the original timeline ever be restored?

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I was talking to my lovely wife about this...in this JJ universe that we're upon, will the original timeline ever be restored? With the success of the first JJ Star Trek movie, we assume that there will be a 4 to 6 movie run in the JJ-verse. With that said, there's a good chance that any new trek shows will be based off the JJ-verse Star Trek, so at what point will that end? I mean, I know that the original timeline is still there and therefore the original timeline won't be erased, but to newer Trek fans it could sure be confusing to have two Trek universes. My thoughts for a final JJ-verse Trek movie would be towards the end something happens, which would probably mean another time travel thing, to eventually restore the original timeline...roll credits to the Jerry Goldsmith Trek theme :techman: finally. I'm curious to hear what everyone else thinks....
 
Heh, if newer Trek fans can't handle the idea that there's two timelines, I'm not sure this is the right franchise for them.

Frankly, "restoring" the original timeline at any point would strike me as a tacit admission from TPTB that they'd been wrong to branch out to begin with. We have a chance to explore things that the existing continuity wouldn't allow for...why destroy that?
 
There seems to be a persistent delusion out there that the new timeline is just a detour and that eventually we'll go back to the old timeline.

I don't see that happening. I honestly cannot think of a single instance in which a rebooted franchise went back to the old continuity. That kind of defeats the whole point of revamping things.

I mean, it's not like the new Battlestar Galactica ended with Lorne Greene and Richard Hatch coming back to fight the Cylons . . . . .
 
Orci and Kurtzman have made it quite clear that the original timeline still exists. So there's nothing to restore. And new fans drawn to Abrams's movies won't know or care about the prime timeline anyway, so why bother trying to "restore" it? That would just alienate the very audience he's trying to target.

Do you think anyone who saw The Dark Knight Rises feels that the Christopher Nolan Batman movie franchise should be veering back toward the Adam West TV show?
 
Restore it from what? Its still out there moving forward. We just aren't getting any movies about it.
 
All right gentlemen.....as you were......;)

Maybe I wasn't totally clear. First, I have NO problem with an alternate timeline. Second, I know the prime timeline still exists, contrary to what others have said. But my query is this...should new Trek shows, and who knows...maybe a prime timeline movie appear, will we really be having two timelines at the same time? I would have no problem with it, but it would seem to me that it could become a little confusing or defeating unless you're in the know so to speak. I'm not saying people are too stupid to figure it out, but nonetheless will the new timeline end at some point. If in fact it did, I would hope it would be the very last JJ-Trek universe movie or maybe even TV series. Again I have no problem with the alternate timeline and I am aware that the prime timeline is still there. It's just a thought....
 
It would be a bit too confusing for casuals. No ill will intended in that sentence, it's just common sense, methinks. Many people enjoyed the first Abramsverse film without a deep understanding of the Primverse, and now that the interdimensional dust has settled somewhat, it's best to move forward with the setting most familiar to those newfound (and myriad returning) casual-level fans.

That's not to say it will never happen, but I don't see anything of the sort taking place any time soon. Not while the Abramsverse flicks are continuing.

I wouldn't say 4-6 Abramsverse films are guaranteed, either. Certainly not by the same team, but even beyond that, Hollywood goes back to Ground Zero so quickly these days, I'd say it's closer to 3-4 "guaranteed" installments, and even then, nothing is truly assured. It could be two, still. Or two and a television series. Or three and a television series. All we really know right now is that it will be at least two.
 
I'm guessing 3 movies with the full current cast with an animated series following 2. Then at least one character will die in 3 and they will follow up with a TV series. A fourth movie will then be a possibility some years down the line when the actors' rising stars settle down a bit but I doubt they will be able to get everybody back for it.

We'll see!
 
Fans aren't so stupid they can't handle different continuities. Terminator Salvation continued on from Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines while Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles continued from after T2, with very similar time travel shennanigans to explain how and why.

And for STXI's reboot to end like "Year of Hell" with a massive reset button.... that'd be an insult. The whole point was to bring big consequences into a prequel.

But, that said, I agree with Greg that Prime Trek is finished, at least as far as TV/film is concerned. Fans love iconic characters more than they do universes and continuity, hence the endlees reboots in Hollywood.

I'm loving the ongoing novel series - now 5 years after Nemesis and counting. That's all the new Prime Trek I need.
 
There's always going to be a new continuity from this point on. Trek's now entered the realm of multiple onscreen continuities like Batman, Spider-man, Scooby Doo, etc., that will be rebooted for new audiences periodically.
 
Fans aren't so stupid they can't handle different continuities. Terminator Salvation continued on from Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines while Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles continued from
And they were all rubbish.
 
you say that to a fan of those installments of the Terminator franchise and they will likely disagree with you.
 
I was talking to my lovely wife about this...in this JJ universe that we're upon, will the original timeline ever be restored?

Check out the last pages of the "Countdown" comic mini-series from IDW. Story by Orci & Kurtzman. Spock's ship goes through the black hole and... Ambassador Picard, Worf and Captain Data do not vanish. Their timeline continues.
 
I mean, it's not like the new Battlestar Galactica ended with Lorne Greene and Richard Hatch coming back to fight the Cylons . . . . .

Well, to be fair, Hatch was too busy stirring up trouble for the Colonials and Greene is dead. ;)


As far as restoring the original timeline, it's still there, intact. Arguably, there are two "original timelines" as The Prime Universe is continuing through Star Trek: Online and the Pocket novels (I understand some are trying to combine them into one continuity, but there are some conflicting events).

Aside from that, it's been 11 years since the last 24th Century Star Trek show went off the air, 10 years since the last movie set in the 24th Century was out, and 7 years since we last saw the 24th Century on-TV (even that was an addition to a previous episode, not a new adventure). Aside from that, the last we saw of the 24th Century was in Spock's mind-meld with Kirk.

If the next Trek movie flops on par with Nemesis (and I don't see that happening), the studio is not going to say, "Oh, well, that didn't work, call up Stewart and Spiner, let's get to work on a new TNG movie." Likewise, I don't expect to see Shatner show up in a future Trek movie, explain his death in Generations was a fake-out and tell Nimoy's Spock, "Spock, the timeline's in trouble, we've got to go back...to the future!"
 
As far as restoring the original timeline, it's still there, intact. Arguably, there are two "original timelines" as The Prime Universe is continuing through Star Trek: Online and the Pocket novels (I understand some are trying to combine them into one continuity, but there are some conflicting events).

The Pocket novels, ST:O, and IDW Comics have all continued to tell stories set in the Prime continuity, but are not keeping consistent with each other in their interpretation of the Prime continuity. It's worth keeping in mind the difference between an in-story alternate reality and a real-life differing interpretation of a work of fiction. If canon is "history," tie-ins are more like historical fiction; they're things that could have happened in the context of the history we know but didn't necessarily happen, and different works of "historical fiction" can be equally compatible with history but inconsistent with each other.


There's no need for a "restoration" in the Abrams movies. That's misunderstanding the storytelling purpose for which time travel was used in this case. We're used to seeing it utilized as a trope in individual episodes of an ongoing series where its purpose was merely to create a short-term problem for the heroes to resolve, restoring the status quo by the end of the story as per the usual structure of series fiction. But it served an entirely different purpose here: namely, to allow the filmmakers to start fresh and be free to tell a version of Star Trek unencumbered by past continuity, while still presenting it as an offshoot of the original reality rather than a completely unrelated thing. The time change is not a temporary problem to be resolved, it's the origin of the creators' desired status quo, an open-ended version of the TOS era that leaves them free to tell whatever stories they want.

The same thing happened in the TV series Eureka. At the start of their fourth season, they did a time-travel story that altered history, not as a temporary problem to be solved, but as a way to revamp the series and give themselves a new, permanent status quo that would open up new story possibilities and free them from some of the problems and limitations the previous state of affairs imposed. And it worked beautifully; the show was better, fresher, and more interesting after the change.

Ditto for all the times DC Comics has used time travel and reality-shaking "Crises" to reboot its continuity, from Crisis on Infinite Earths through Flashpoint. The intention is always for the new timeline to be permanent and allow a fresh start for the storytelling, free of past continuity baggage. Of course, later creators motivated by nostalgia eventually come in and bring back new versions of ideas from the old continuity, but the timeline change is never simply undone with everything restored exactly to the way it had been.

So time travel doesn't always serve the same story purpose. Sometimes it's a problem for the characters to solve, but sometimes it's the solution to the writers' problems. And in the latter case, it doesn't get reversed. It's not supposed to.
 
What's wrong with 2 time lines? In fact, according to data I've read about, there are many different time lines in any given universe at any one time.
The newly changed time line should provide ample material for at least another 2 movies. After that, who knows.
 
I was talking to my lovely wife about this...in this JJ universe that we're upon, will the original timeline ever be restored?

Check out the last pages of the "Countdown" comic mini-series from IDW. Story by Orci & Kurtzman. Spock's ship goes through the black hole and... Ambassador Picard, Worf and Captain Data do not vanish. Their timeline continues.

Yes, I've read about those. I understand that the prime timeline continues which wasn't my point. I guess my wording might be a little bit off as well. I referred to the original timeline being "restored" which really isn't the correct word to use considering that it's still there. What I should have said was, at some point, maybe at the end of the alternate trek run, will the alternate timeline merge back into the prime timeline so to speak? With that said, it brings me to another question for another new thread......
 
Again...there's nothing wrong with the alternate timeline. I have no problems with that. I'm not saying they have to merge together or anything, but I'm just curious if that was a plan down the road. I also do not see them going back to TNG or TOS nor would I want to see that after some 10 years down the road. I like to play devil's advocate and ask questions to stimulate discussions. :)
 
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