Chick-fil-A digging themselves a hole

[gturner]

And isn't fighting against women's rights (in terms of abortion), fighting for babies rights? Wouldn't spending the other way let you scream at Chick-Fil-A is supporting baby killers?

Which part of this...
...says anything about abortion? The part about making women full-time homemakers? And how about that anti-vaccination advocacy, huh?

But the Eagle Forum doesn't support making women full-time homemakers. Even Phillis Schlaffly isn't a full time homemaker or she couldn't be running around leading the Eagle Forum, now could she? What they do is support full time homemakers, who are often attacked as not having a real job.

And their anti-vaccination advocacy is against making the fairly recent (late 1990's) Hepatitis B vaccine mandatory for infants. Texas and Arkansas make it mandatory for preschool, Vermont, Connecticut, and New Jersey don't.

So excuse me if I don't see this as a typical example of a hate group.

Or how about...

Family Research Council
It advocates against LGBT rights,abortion,divorce, embryonic stem-cell research, the theory that global warming is the result of human activity, and pornography.

...the bolded items have nothing to do with just gays, they are advocating against basic SCIENCE.

No, they're not. Embryonic stem-cell research has never produced a treatment, and possibly won't because adult stem cells are proving just as versatile and are already a genetic match for the patient. There may be some advantages to embryonic stem cells over something like pluripotent adult stem cells, but scientists can now even make stem cells out of skin cells. Science moved on.

As for global warming, the whole argument is daft. It requires us to believe, since we know any cooling is bad, that any warming is even worse. That means we must have been living at the absolute optimal climate the Earth has ever attained, and that the climate was at this optimum everywhere, from the glaciers to the rainforest.

If it would warm up, life would be much better off. During the emian period Canada was as warm as Florida, monitor lizards thrived in Greenland, Antarctica had forests, yet the equator wasn't much hotter than today. Climate models can't even reproduce it, but the entire Earth was pretty much Hawaii.

Also, recent research shows that the warming has been half of what NOAA claimed due to poor station citing, and we haven't had any statistically significant warming in 15 years, and the Sun is entering a Dalton or Maunder minimum which will last until about 2040.

These topics deserve debate, and denouncing anyone who disagrees with you as a hate group is not very productive.

Or how about...

Focus on the Family
The group supports the teaching of what it considers to be traditional family values. It advocates school sponsored prayer and supports corporal punishment. It strongly opposes LGBT rights, abortion, pornography, legalized gambling, and pre-marital and extramarital sexual activity.

...anything of those highlighted things about gays? Or is it just about sticking ignorant, biased noses into areas they don't belong in?

OMG! A church group that supports school sponsored prayer and opposes gambling and cheating! Will wonders never cease. I'm thinking they really don't sound quite like the Klan, Stormfront, or the Aryan Nation, but that must be my blindness and bigotry. They're a church group. They're going to be supporting just about all the same stuff that preachers preach about every Sunday.

Why not just demonize Catholics and be done with it?

 

[gturner]

I didn't realize we'd put a chicken sandwich franchise in charge of marriage laws. I though we still elected legislators. I must've missed that.

I refuse to believe that you are incapable of making the inferences necessary to understand my post. Re-read it and come back to me when you get it.

Out of 22,000 applications to get a Chick-Fil-A franchise, they accepted 87 last year. A bad credit score or a DUI is going to count against you more than marital status. You're talking about something almost as difficult as becoming a player in the NBA, because of the intense competition, and then complaining that the teams aren't fielding any white starters. If becoming a Chick-Fil-A operator was a civil right, don't you think all those 21,913 rejected applicants could sue?

Legalizing gay marriage, as some states have done, probably doesn't make any gay couple more likely to beat out 21,913 other applicants and get a franchise, and due to this protest, they are vastly less likely to get a franchise because everyone would be suspicious of their motives, given all the hate gays have been throwing at Chick-Fil-A.

At this point, why on Earth would a gay couple want to run a Chick-Fil-A? They'd probably get beat up and ostracized by other gays. Wouldn't they be more inclined to open an elite French restaurant instead of running a cheap chicken-sandwich joint?

Here's an idea. Why don't they open up across the street from Chick-Fil-A and serve a better chicken sandwich? Directly across from the Chick-Fil-A up the street from me sits a Raising Cane's, which has much better chicken fingers. It was started by a pair of college students and is expanding across the country.

http://www.raisingcanes.com/

When yesterday I said the activists should've picked a target that wasn't so easy to defend, I meant it. Here's what a Georgia paper is running about Chick-Fil-A.

http://chronicle.augusta.com/opinio...ton-may-not-know-about-chick-fil?v=1344124851

From that you'd think Cathy is Mother Theresa and Florence Nightingale rolled into one.

 

[Peacemaker]

Why not just demonize Catholics and be done with it?

Because the Westminster Confession of Faith already did.

And it's not like demonizing Catholics is being any less charitable to them than they are. Trent utterly anathematizes all Protestants without exception.

 

[Peacemaker]

And their anti-vaccination advocacy is against making the fairly recent (late 1990's) Hepatitis B vaccine mandatory for infants.

No, they advocate against mandatory vaccinations on many items, including, but not limited to HBV, HPV, and rotovirus. They have also had strong words about mandatory flu vaccinations, and the diptheria, tetanus, pertussis vaccine, and others. Really, you need to do better research. In some cases, their advocacy has a lot to do with parental rights, in others the composition of the vaccine. In others both.

 

[Kestra]

I didn't realize we'd put a chicken sandwich franchise in charge of marriage laws. I though we still elected legislators. I must've missed that.

I refuse to believe that you are incapable of making the inferences necessary to understand my post. Re-read it and come back to me when you get it.

Out of 22,000 applications to get a Chick-Fil-A franchise, they accepted 87 last year. A bad credit score or a DUI is going to count against you more than marital status. You're talking about something almost as difficult as becoming a player in the NBA, because of the intense competition, and then complaining that the teams aren't fielding any white starters. If becoming a Chick-Fil-A operator was a civil right, don't you think all those 21,913 rejected applicants could sue?

Legalizing gay marriage, as some states have done, probably doesn't make any gay couple more likely to beat out 21,913 other applicants and get a franchise, and due to this protest, they are vastly less likely to get a franchise because everyone would be suspicious of their motives, given all the hate gays have been throwing at Chick-Fil-A.

At this point, why on Earth would a gay couple want to run a Chick-Fil-A? They'd probably get beat up and ostracized by other gays. Wouldn't they be more inclined to open an elite French restaurant instead of running a cheap chicken-sandwich joint?

Here's an idea. Why don't they open up across the street from Chick-Fil-A and serve a better chicken sandwich? Directly across from the Chick-Fil-A up the street from me sits a Raising Cane's, which has much better chicken fingers. It was started by a pair of college students and is expanding across the country.

http://www.raisingcanes.com/

When yesterday I said the activists should've picked a target that wasn't so easy to defend, I meant it. Here's what a Georgia paper is running about Chick-Fil-A.

http://chronicle.augusta.com/opinio...ton-may-not-know-about-chick-fil?v=1344124851

From that you'd think Cathy is Mother Theresa and Florence Nightingale rolled into one.

All your posts act like there are two cohesive groups waging war. That's not what is happening here. This has been largely about individuals reacting to public statements. The mayor thing is not something that everyone sat down and agreed on in some secret tactical meeting. I'm not sure who you think you're addressing, but no one here has been plotting strategies. If you think someone should, feel free to lead the way yourself instead of simply criticizing from the sidelines.

 

[boobatuba]

At this point, why on Earth would a gay couple want to run a Chick-Fil-A? They'd probably get beat up and ostracized by other gays. Wouldn't they be more inclined to open an elite French restaurant instead of running a cheap chicken-sandwich joint?

This is really, really disgusting. I really don't know what to say, but I'll just quote this part of your post and hope that people will see for themselves how disgusting it is.

 

[cooleddie74]

Wow.

Good job, gturner. Your arguments were already pretty much dead in the water to start, but now you post this and up the Fail ante.

Just give it up, bro. You're not helping yourself. At all.

 

[Trekker4747]

At this point, why on Earth would a gay couple want to run a Chick-Fil-A? They'd probably get beat up and ostracized by other gays. Wouldn't they be more inclined to open an elite French restaurant instead of running a cheap chicken-sandwich joint?

Congrats. You've hit the bottom in the continuum of Fail.

 

[Peacemaker]

At this point, why on Earth would a gay couple want to run a Chick-Fil-A?

To beat Cathy at his own game and use their portion of the profits to benefit local LGBT groups, etc.

They'd probably get beat up and ostracized by other gays.

Really? So now, we've moved from isolated acts of vandalism to accusing gays of viewpoint suppression to viewpoint suppression via gay on gay violence to ostracism.

Wouldn't they be more inclined to open an elite French restaurant instead of running a cheap chicken-sandwich joint?

For somebody who wants to portray himself as okay with the gays because he parties with gays and has seen real live "drama queens" up close in personal, and who denies being a bigot, you do a very good job of engaging in bigoted speech via invoking homophobic cliches, etc. when it suits your purpose. Is that something you practice in the mirror in the morning or does it just come naturally? For someone who calls others drama queens,you also do a remarkably good job of acting the part yourself, what with the Nazi and civil rights allusions, waxing apoplectic when called out for your attitude, and generally being a dick.

 

[gturner]

At this point, why on Earth would a gay couple want to run a Chick-Fil-A? They'd probably get beat up and ostracized by other gays. Wouldn't they be more inclined to open an elite French restaurant instead of running a cheap chicken-sandwich joint?

This is really, really disgusting. I really don't know what to say, but I'll just quote this part of your post and hope that people will see for themselves how disgusting it is.

Dang. Implying that gays have a lot of outstanding skills. How horrifying. Next time I hear a gay talk about how many elite artists, directors, and actors are gay, I'll be sure to punch him in the face for his disgustingly insult to gays.

Chick-Fil-A employs about 50,000 teenagers, of which about 1,500 are probably gay, since teenagers aren't the most plugged in to the latest political news, or weren't. Now they are, and so are all their gay friends who will exerting pressure on them to quit, haranguing and berating them about working for a company full of hateful, mindless, evil bigots. (They'll be hearing the same arguments you have been advancing here.) They'll be subjected to this even if their dad and mom own the franchise.

Many will be forced to quit - by pressure from their pro-gay friends demanding them to make a stand. I'd expect at least 500 to turn in their aprons.

So far as anyone has been able to dig, Cathy has never fired a single gay person, much less under immense moral pressure and outrage. Now hundreds of gays are going to suffer that fate, at the hands of their supposed supporters, not from Chick-Fil-A.

So perhaps 500 real gay people are giving up their jobs under pressure, to protect a hypothetical married gay franchise applicant.

This is what your outrage has actually accomplished so far, along with causing massive support rallies that people here are saying is hurtful alienation.

If you want to help gays, quit costing them their jobs, quit putting them in the hotseat against their will (many said they love working for Chick-Fil-A), all so you can pat yourself on the back for a job well done.

 

[gturner]

At this point, why on Earth would a gay couple want to run a Chick-Fil-A?

To beat Cathy at his own game and use their portion of the profits to benefit local LGBT groups, etc.

The upfront fee for the franchise alone is half what Cathy spent that went to fight gay marriage, and just pouring the foundations will exceed it. Not only that, even if Cathy poured tens of millions directly into a campaign specifically against gay marriage, it wouldn't have swayed a single vote.

Here's a San Francisco Gate article on a study on the results of $83 million spent on gay-marriage ads, which was zip, zero, no results at all:

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Prop-8-spending-found-to-have-swayed-no-voters-3184734.php

So whatever paltry amount Cathy spent, he wasted his money.

So for a benefit of nothing, you've grabbed all the headline trying to villify someone who can play the orphan card. Not many people can whip that one out.

 

[boobatuba]

At this point, why on Earth would a gay couple want to run a Chick-Fil-A? They'd probably get beat up and ostracized by other gays. Wouldn't they be more inclined to open an elite French restaurant instead of running a cheap chicken-sandwich joint?

This is really, really disgusting. I really don't know what to say, but I'll just quote this part of your post and hope that people will see for themselves how disgusting it is.

Dang. Implying that gays have a lot of outstanding skills. How horrifying. Next time I hear a gay talk about how many elite artists, directors, and actors are gay, I'll be sure to punch him in the face for his disgustingly insult to gays.

Keep digging that trench deeper.

If you think you were implying that gays have a lot of outstanding skills, you're way off base. The fact is, gays have the exact same skills as anyone else, in the same proportions. They're just PEOPLE.

Step on out of the 1960s and wake up to the fact that gays are like everyone else. Some of them would be perfectly happy operating a fast-food franchise. Others might be more interested in operating a high-end restaurant with a French theme. That you think somehow they are more likely to prefer the latter says volumes about your misconceptions.

It's disgusting, and it promotes stereotypes that do nothing but stigmatize.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

due to this protest, they are vastly less likely to get a franchise because everyone would be suspicious of their motives, given all the hate gays have been throwing at Chick-Fil-A.

Which would be an example of the discrimination you've been looking for.

 

[Peacemaker]

At this point, why on Earth would a gay couple want to run a Chick-Fil-A?

To beat Cathy at his own game and use their portion of the profits to benefit local LGBT groups, etc.

The upfront fee for the franchise alone is half what Cathy spent that went to fight gay marriage, and just pouring the foundations will exceed it. Not only that, even if Cathy poured tens of millions directly into a campaign specifically against gay marriage, it wouldn't have swayed a single vote.

Here's a San Francisco Gate article on a study on the results of $83 million spent on gay-marriage ads, which was zip, zero, no results at all:

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Prop-8-spending-found-to-have-swayed-no-voters-3184734.php

So whatever paltry amount Cathy spent, he wasted his money.

So for a benefit of nothing, you've grabbed all the headline trying to villify someone who can play the orphan card. Not many people can whip that one out.

This, of course, ranks as another non-response. Did I say anything about ads, etc.? Did I detail any specific strategy? Any specific organization? Can you quote me on that? No I merely referred to LGBT organizations. I didn't say so, but what I had in mind were places like AIDS Service Organizations and local LGBT projects, not political ads, etc.

No. Once again, Jules Verne, get in your time machine - I don't measure success or failure in monetary terms. I'm immune to your dollar figure quotes, because they reply to a position I myself do not hold.

If you want to help gays, quit costing them their jobs, quit putting them in the hotseat against their will (many said they love working for Chick-Fil-A), all so you can pat yourself on the back for a job well done.

Seriously? Sure, we'll get right on it; boontubba and I will get into our Borg Alcoves and contact the Gay Hive mind and hope the Queen approves of this. I think the Unimatrix in Midtown Atlanta has the nearest transwarp gate for me get to the main complex in the Castro.

Now, let's break this one down:

If you want to help the straights at Starbucks, quit putting them in the hotseat against their will (many said they love working for Starbucks), so you can be pat yourself on the back for a job well done.

If you want to help the blacks at Woolworths, quit putting them in the hotseat against their will (many said they love working for Woolworths), so you can pat yourself on the back for a job well done.

If you want to help the slaves in the South, quit putting them in the hotseat against their will (many said they love working for their Masters), so you can pat yourself on the back for a job well done.

 

[Balrog]

At this point, why on Earth would a gay couple want to run a Chick-Fil-A? They'd probably get beat up and ostracized by other gays. Wouldn't they be more inclined to open an elite French restaurant instead of running a cheap chicken-sandwich joint?

Congrats. You've hit the bottom in the continuum of Fail.

He hit bottom only to find a door to a whole new dimension of fail.

 

[Chris3123]

My point was that if gays are not welcome at the company's corporate retreats, if they're not welcome to share the bonds of marriage, if they're second-class citizens whose desire for equal rights "invites God's judgment on our nation," why serve them at all?

Ah, ok. Well, that question is easy to answer: they have no reason not to. All three things you mentioned are directly related to the belief that marriage can only be between a man and a woman. Serving gay people food doesn't conflict with that belief in the least.

No, their concerns exceed gay marriage and go so far as to give support to organizations that fought laws designed to prevent statewide workplace discrimination against LGBT individuals in Pennsylvania.

Ah, ok. I still don't see serving them as an obvious conflict, but I understand why you do. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[gturner]

Now, let's break this one down:

If you want to help the straights at Starbucks, quit putting them in the hotseat against their will (many said they love working for Starbucks), so you can be pat yourself on the back for a job well done.

Hrm... I can't remember ever getting involved in an issue at Starbucks, or even being aware of one.

If you want to help the blacks at Woolworths, quit putting them in the hotseat against their will (many said they love working for Woolworths), so you can pat yourself on the back for a job well done.

I haven't seen a Woolworth's since I was 10.

If you want to help the slaves in the South, quit putting them in the hotseat against their will (many said they love working for their Masters), so you can pat yourself on the back for a job well done.

Well, I did have a great-great grandfather who fought for the Union, common for Republicans, but other than that, I don't know of a link.

If you think you were implying that gays have a lot of outstanding skills, you're way off base. The fact is, gays have the exact same skills as anyone else, in the same proportions. They're just PEOPLE.

Sorry, but science says otherwise. Gay men are much better at facial recognition than heterosexual men, using both sides of their brain instead of one, and are superior at language abilities.

How many scientific studies do you want, because I can post them all day.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/jun/16/neuroscience.psychology

Sometimes a cliche is not a cliche. Out on my patio I had half dozen gay hairdressers going gaga over my haircut.

On the other hand, I used to trust my life to a flaming gay caving partner on intricate, vertical (hanging sixty feet in the air), wetsuit caving where the smallest mistake was fatal. I'd also get trashed and pass out on his couch. Sadly, he died a few months ago. His life-partner had already preceded him, and his life-partner's family wouldn't let him visit in the hospital.

 

[boobatuba]

If you think you were implying that gays have a lot of outstanding skills, you're way off base. The fact is, gays have the exact same skills as anyone else, in the same proportions. They're just PEOPLE.

Sorry, but science says otherwise. Gay men are much better at facial recognition than heterosexual men, using both sides of their brain instead of one, and are superior at language abilities.

How many scientific studies do you want, because I can post them all day.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/jun/16/neuroscience.psychology

Sometimes a cliche is not a cliche. Out on my patio I had half dozen gay hairdressers going gaga over my haircut.

On the other hand, I used to trust my life to a flaming gay caving partner on intricate, vertical (hanging sixty feet in the air), wetsuit caving where the smallest mistake was fatal. I'd also get trashed and pass out on his couch. Sadly, he died a few months ago. His life-partner had already preceded him, and his life-partner's family wouldn't let him visit in the hospital.

Sorry, but all of that has...what?...to do with French restaurants?

And I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't capitalize my username when you quote me.

 

[NebulaClassGuy]

My apologies if this has been posted already upthread, but I found these three parts to an iReport article on CNN, and figured I'd post links to it here:

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-823655 (Part 1)

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-823910 (Part 2)

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-824792 (Part 3)

 

[gturner]

They'd probably get beat up and ostracized by other gays.

Really? So now, we've moved from isolated acts of vandalism to accusing gays of viewpoint suppression to viewpoint suppression via gay on gay violence to ostracism.

And in the third link above, a gay man who supports Chick-Fil-A said:

One man on August 3rd sent me a message on Facebook and called me a "pathetic, ignorant little child" followed by some curse words and telling me "the gloves are off." Essentially he was ready to fight over an article I posted that disagreed with his opinion. There were others like his. Telling me I was ignorant, didn't get the issue, wasn't a true gay. It makes me shake my head. These people would have me be part of a movement who's most prominent mission currently is to achieve both marriage equality and acceptance by everyone for everyone. Ironically they also are the ones who are attacking me personally for the simple reason that my views are different than theirs. Furthermore it must mean that hate gays, that I hate myself that I hate equality. No.......not at all. I've been openly gay for a while now and closeted for some time before that. In all that time I have not once faced the kind of personal attacks that I have in the past two days. I have befriended Christians, Catholics, Mormons, Muslims, Jehovah's Witnesses, Atheists, Liberals, Republicans, Tea Partiers, Occupiers, Asians, Caucasians, African Americans, Hispanics, and the list goes on. In all of those conversations not once has anyone hated me the way strangers have after this article.

So, yeah. It's already happening and it's utterly vicious. Gay teens working at Chick-Fil-A will be going through the same thing, which is very sad and was totally unnecessary.