"The Dark Knight Rises" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers)

[RoJoHen]

What we mean is that the necklace could have easily been in TDKR without it ever having been seen before. "Those are my mother's pearls" is all you'd need to know. The fact that they are the same pearls as we see in "Batman Begins" is just a neat little touch of continuity.

Don't over think this.

 

[Captain Craig]

Maybe I'm just not getting what was brought up in the first place. No big.
I did find an image of them lying in the ally but the resolution is so small you can't make it out if they are on her. But rereading the post it seems they were seen so, the "point" was..attention just wasn't drawn to them?

With that my attention is fully back on MacGuyver S5 sp4--it has Mayim Balik, who knew?

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

The fact that they are the same pearls as we see in "Batman Begins" is just a neat little touch of continuity.

They didn't look like the same pearls. I don't remember large pearls in the center.

My question is: if the night Dent died was the last time Bruce was Batman and he wants to give it up - being on the run and all - why would have built the new Wayne manor with a batcave at all? Not to mention that, if he didnt, the contractors he hired would have gotten suspicious.

 

[Dick Whitman]

With that my attention is fully back on MacGuyver S5 sp4--it has Mayim Balik, who knew?

I remember seeing that one! Its been years.


I have a question for anyone who has seen the movie in IMAX. Is it worth the price?

A week ago I moved to Las Vegas. There are a lot of places here that have it in IMAX. Where I lived before had none. I was planning to see it a second time and figured IMAX was the was to go. But its the price is $6.50 more.

The theater at the Palms casino has it in 70 millimeter. Which is the best way to see it in IMAX and only a small number in the country have it that way.

So any opinions? Is it worth it?

 

[Set Harth]

Right, but I didn't remember there being a pearl necklace in "Batman Begins" at all.

It wasn't that kind of movie.

 

[Samurai8472]

The fact that they are the same pearls as we see in "Batman Begins" is just a neat little touch of continuity.

They didn't look like the same pearls. I don't remember large pearls in the center.

My question is: if the night Dent died was the last time Bruce was Batman and he wants to give it up - being on the run and all - why would have built the new Wayne manor with a batcave at all? Not to mention that, if he didnt, the contractors he hired would have gotten suspicious.

Pretty much the same look

 

[Lord Garth]

Batman's career lasted like Firefly. Then he came back and went out in a blaze of glory like Serenity.

 

[Saul]

Didn't those Pearls end up all over the ground in Begins? Or am I thinking 89?

 

[LaxScrutiny]

For instance - I heartily disagree that Bruce Wayne has extreme personality disorders..

Sorry, we're talking about a guy who has never, ever, had a girlfriend. Who's only friend is an eldery man he hires to take care of him, who acts as a surrogate mother? This is true in any incarntation, including the 70s and 80s detective, and including the Nolan films. In any era, Bruce Wayne is a guy who makes Michael Jackson seem normal.

Certain comics eras are built around a fantasy world where putting on a mask and costume and running around beating people up is a normal choice, supported by both the media and law enforcement agencies. In that fantasy world, Bruce Wayne's hobby is just a little less of a personality disorder because for some reason it is socially acceptable. So fine, in the 70s we can call him the equivalent of rock star. He is still more screwed up than Michael Jackson in his private life.

How fucked up do you have to be walk into a courthouse with a loaded gun ready to shoot somebody? That alone is sick, I'm sorry, even if he didn't go through with it. Running off to some Thailand shithole and getting thrown in prison on purpose so you can beat people up every day?

BB was semi-realistic in how obviously twisted Bruce Wayne was, although it never delved into it very deeply, and really, the movie portrays this nutcase as hero that we should look up to, which kind of spoils that. TDK just sat on it and portrayed Wayne in a kind of sustainable lifestyle, a co-dependant relationship with his alter-ego, he seemed almost stable. TDKR shows how he falls apart again without his co-dependant relationship with himself, but it falls flat for me because no one notices, even Alfred who doesn't approve doesn't see how the guy needs psychiatric help. The movie doesn't take him through a journey that should let him out of his own mental prison, it throws him down a hole and expects us to believe that climbing out made him all sane and normal. Then it ends with him finally having a girlfriend to sit in a cafe with.

The movies were very nicely choreographed and paced action thrillers, but the character study didn't do anything for me.

 

[Snaploud]

Didn't those Pearls end up all over the ground in Begins? Or am I thinking 89?

I think you're thinking of '89.

 

[Warped9]

For instance - I heartily disagree that Bruce Wayne has extreme personality disorders..

Sorry, we're talking about a guy who has never, ever, had a girlfriend. Who's only friend is an eldery man he hires to take care of him, who acts as a surrogate mother? This is true in any incarntation, including the 70s and 80s detective, and including the Nolan films. In any era, Bruce Wayne is a guy who makes Michael Jackson seem normal.

Certain comics eras are built around a fantasy world where putting on a mask and costume and running around beating people up is a normal choice, supported by both the media and law enforcement agencies. In that fantasy world, Bruce Wayne's hobby is just a little less of a personality disorder because for some reason it is socially acceptable. So fine, in the 70s we can call him the equivalent of rock star. He is still more screwed up than Michael Jackson in his private life.

How fucked up do you have to be walk into a courthouse with a loaded gun ready to shoot somebody? That alone is sick, I'm sorry, even if he didn't go through with it. Running off to some Thailand shithole and getting thrown in prison on purpose so you can beat people up every day?

BB was semi-realistic in how obviously twisted Bruce Wayne was, although it never delved into it very deeply, and really, the movie portrays this nutcase as hero that we should look up to, which kind of spoils that. TDK just sat on it and portrayed Wayne in a kind of sustainable lifestyle, a co-dependant relationship with his alter-ego, he seemed almost stable. TDKR shows how he falls apart again without his co-dependant relationship with himself, but it falls flat for me because no one notices, even Alfred who doesn't approve doesn't see how the guy needs psychiatric help. The movie doesn't take him through a journey that should let him out of his own mental prison, it throws him down a hole and expects us to believe that climbing out made him all sane and normal. Then it ends with him finally having a girlfriend to sit in a cafe with.

The movies were very nicely choreographed and paced action thrillers, but the character study didn't do anything for me.

So much for suspension of disbelief.

 

[Lapis Exilis]

For instance - I heartily disagree that Bruce Wayne has extreme personality disorders..

Sorry, we're talking about a guy who has never, ever, had a girlfriend. Who's only friend is an eldery man he hires to take care of him, who acts as a surrogate mother? This is true in any incarntation, including the 70s and 80s detective, and including the Nolan films. In any era, Bruce Wayne is a guy who makes Michael Jackson seem normal.

I'm afraid you're not very up on your Batman history, my friend. Bruce Wayne of the 70s and 80s had plenty of girlfriends and got laid quite a bit - just for a sampler, in the 1970s there was Silver St. Cloud, the original storyline can be found in the TPB Strange Apparitions, where Silver is hiss girlfriend for quite some time, there is also a sequel to that story called Dark Detective from the 2000s in which he and Silver are shown making love in the batcave, and a more recent story with Silver where they have sex on the beach (Batman: The Widening Gyre #3), throughout the 70s he and Talia had an ongoing relationship which culminated in the Son of the Demon, where he and Talia conceive a child. Their son, Damien, is currently Robin in the regular comics. Hard to have a kid if you don't have sex.

I could list a half dozen other instances of girlfriends in Batman stories - from the animated feature film Mask of the Phantasm (Andrea Beaumont) to Batman 89 in which he takes Vicki Vale to bed to Jezebel Jet in the recent Batman R.I.P. storyline - but I'm sure you get the picture.

How fucked up do you have to be walk into a courthouse with a loaded gun ready to shoot somebody? That alone is sick, I'm sorry, even if he didn't go through with it. Running off to some Thailand shithole and getting thrown in prison on purpose so you can beat people up every day?

If you want to discuss how Bruce Wayne's character is constructed in the Nolan trilogy - plenty of perfectly normal people have been driven to seek revenge. Keep in mind it's not as if he actually blew anyone's head off. As for ending up in prison - it is made clear that he was doing research into the criminal mind. With that goal, doing what he did is completely rational, even if it's not something that most people would do. He's a heroic character - they're supposed to do more than your average guy.

By your criteria, every navy SEAL is crazy, since they all go in for some fairly brutal training (including beating up others and getting beat up themselves) to become warriors.

 

[Warped9]

For instance - I heartily disagree that Bruce Wayne has extreme personality disorders..

Sorry, we're talking about a guy who has never, ever, had a girlfriend. Who's only friend is an eldery man he hires to take care of him, who acts as a surrogate mother? This is true in any incarntation, including the 70s and 80s detective, and including the Nolan films. In any era, Bruce Wayne is a guy who makes Michael Jackson seem normal.

I'm afraid you're not very up on your Batman history, my friend. Bruce Wayne of the 70s and 80s had plenty of girlfriends and got laid quite a bit - just for a sampler, in the 1970s there was Silver St. Cloud, the original storyline can be found in the TPB Strange Apparitions, where Silver is hiss girlfriend for quite some time, there is also a sequel to that story called Dark Detective from the 2000s in which he and Silver are shown making love in the batcave, and a more recent story with Silver where they have sex on the beach (Batman: The Widening Gyre #3), throughout the 70s he and Talia had an ongoing relationship which culminated in the Son of the Demon, where he and Talia conceive a child. Their son, Damien, is currently Robin in the regular comics. Hard to have a kid if you don't have sex.

I could list a half dozen other instances of girlfriends in Batman stories - from the animated feature film Mask of the Phantasm (Andrea Beaumont) to Batman 89 in which he takes Vicki Vale to bed to Jezebel Jet in the recent Batman R.I.P. storyline - but I'm sure you get the picture.

How fucked up do you have to be walk into a courthouse with a loaded gun ready to shoot somebody? That alone is sick, I'm sorry, even if he didn't go through with it. Running off to some Thailand shithole and getting thrown in prison on purpose so you can beat people up every day?

If you want to discuss how Bruce Wayne's character is constructed in the Nolan trilogy - plenty of perfectly normal people have been driven to seek revenge. Keep in mind it's not as if he actually blew anyone's head off. As for ending up in prison - it is made clear that he was doing research into the criminal mind. With that goal, doing what he did is completely rational, even if it's not something that most people would do. He's a heroic character - they're supposed to do more than your average guy.

By your criteria, every navy SEAL is crazy, since they all go in for some fairly brutal training (including beating up others and getting beat up themselves) to become warriors.

Nicely on point.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Didn't those Pearls end up all over the ground in Begins? Or am I thinking 89?

I think you're thinking of '89.

Nope, it happens in Begins as well.

 

[Captaindemotion]

Right, but I didn't remember there being a pearl necklace in "Batman Begins" at all.

It wasn't that kind of movie.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks like this.

 

[Captain Craig]

^^^
Watch it or the morality police from the recent BOTW threads will derail this topic also.

 

[Edit_XYZ]

The criticisms of the movie in this thread revolve almost exclusively around previous comics/etc with Batman:
The fans are simply upset that this Batman was portrayed differently than - insert batman franchise minutiae/psychological profile from a decades old batman version.

Considering that this movie will be far more widely known than minutiae from the comics/etc, these are not valid criticisms.

And such critics cannot seriously expect for the vast majority of viewers to share their emotional involvement with past batman incarnations - and their consequent butthurt.

 

[Kelthaz]

The criticisms of the movie in this thread revolve almost exclusively around previous comics/etc with Batman

Nope.

 

[JarodRussell]

Didn't those Pearls end up all over the ground in Begins? Or am I thinking 89?

I think you're thinking of '89.

Nope, it happens in Begins as well.

Doesn't.

 

[Edit_XYZ]

The criticisms of the movie in this thread revolve almost exclusively around previous comics/etc with Batman:
The fans are simply upset that this Batman was portrayed differently than - insert batman franchise minutiae/psychological profile from a decades old batman version.

Considering that this movie will be far more widely known than minutiae from the comics/etc, these are not valid criticisms.

And such critics cannot seriously expect for the vast majority of viewers to share their emotional involvement with past batman incarnations - and their consequent butthurt.

Nope.

Do back up your statement.

As for mine:
Almost all criticisms in this thread are based on 'Batman would not have given up because in - insert past work - he was depicted differently'; 'Batman should not have been thus because in past works he never would have been'; etc.
See ~1/3 of the posts here.