Chick-fil-A digging themselves a hole

[cooleddie74]

Hope I'm not out of line asking, but what are you cooking? I'm up for more food talk, especially if it's great food.

Keema (I'm using ground beef though I often use ground turkey) and daal. I'm also going to heat up some rooti which I don't bother making myself since I can just buy them and keep them in the freezer.

Well, that sounds delicious! I rarely get to have Indian food, and usually have to make do with the freezer dinners. Home cooked Indian food would be a godsend!

We have several Indian restaurants here in town, but they're either a bit handsomely priced even for the lunchtime buffet or I've had a couple of friends deliver very mixed critiques of the food. I even heard that the menu at one of the local Indian places was TOO hot.

I've eaten at the closest and most sensibly priced one and enjoyed most of the food I tried. I don't mind a little heat and spice...never have. Their Shrimp "Taka Tak," Tandoori Kabab and Biryani were pretty great. I put seafood in my Biryani when I was there.

 

[shivkala]

Try "Mediterranean" or "Arab" food. From what I've had there, it's no different than Jordanian food, and not all that different from Turkey. Shawarma is extremely tasty, and I think it was invented in Turkey shortly after electric motors and gas heat came out. They just stack meat on a rotating upright spit in front of radiant gas burners and let it slowly spin all day. It's now the most popular meat in Germany, and very popular in Canada and Israel. They add vegetables and a yogurt sauce and wrap it in a pita, so it's eaten like a taco or wrap.

It sounds delicious and I'm always willing to try new foods. I'm a very picky eater, but I think that's opened me up to trying new foods, oddly. It's like, I know I only like certain foods, so maybe there are others out there I like. My wife, on the other hand, is less picky, but very reticent to try new things.

"Mediterranean food" gets me a Greek restaurant and a Gypsy band. "Arab food" gets me nothing.

I used to send pizza to the IDF. One of the websites that I used to frequent had a cute little link for that, and you get to send a note along with it.

By IDF, you mean Israel Defense Forces and not the International Diabetes Federation, right?

 

[Amaris]

Keema (I'm using ground beef though I often use ground turkey) and daal. I'm also going to heat up some rooti which I don't bother making myself since I can just buy them and keep them in the freezer.

Well, that sounds delicious! I rarely get to have Indian food, and usually have to make do with the freezer dinners. Home cooked Indian food would be a godsend!

We have several Indian restaurants here in town, but they're either a bit handsomely priced even for the lunchtime buffet or I've had a couple of friends deliver very mixed critiques of the food. I even heard that the menu at one of the local Indian places was TOO hot.

I've eaten at the closest and most sensibly priced one and enjoyed most of the food I tried. I don't mind a little heat and spice...never have. Their Shrimp "Taka Tak," Tandoori Kabab and Biryani were pretty great. I put seafood in my Biryani when I was there.

Hmm. Too hot? I don't believe in such an animal (he says foolishly)!

I'd love to have an Indian restaurant around here, but we're lucky we have a KFC and a Subway. If I drive two towns over, I can go to a Wendy's (mmm...), or a Cracker Barrel (Applefest Walnut Salad = Ambrosia), but an Indian restaurant? That would be awesome.

 

[Kestra]

Those look really good based on the photos and the brief descriptions. Keema looks especially enticing.

Is rooti bread anything like pita in flavor and texture?

Hmmm. Not exactly? Pita is a thicker bread, for one. In thickness it's more like a tortilla, but it doesn't taste like a tortilla. It's pretty flavorless and relatively healthy though. The unhealthy option that I make with keema sometimes is luchi (or puri), which is totally different.

Hope I'm not out of line asking, but what are you cooking? I'm up for more food talk, especially if it's great food.

Keema (I'm using ground beef though I often use ground turkey) and daal. I'm also going to heat up some rooti which I don't bother making myself since I can just buy them and keep them in the freezer.

Well, that sounds delicious! I rarely get to have Indian food, and usually have to make do with the freezer dinners. Home cooked Indian food would be a godsend!

I didn't say I made it well! J. if you ever want to try making Indian food at home and need some tips, shoot me a PM. Go look at recipes and find something that looks good!

I even heard that the menu at one of the local Indian places was TOO hot.

Get a yogurt dish or drink (lassi). If something ends up being too hot, that will help.

 

[cooleddie74]

Well, that sounds delicious! I rarely get to have Indian food, and usually have to make do with the freezer dinners. Home cooked Indian food would be a godsend!

We have several Indian restaurants here in town, but they're either a bit handsomely priced even for the lunchtime buffet or I've had a couple of friends deliver very mixed critiques of the food. I even heard that the menu at one of the local Indian places was TOO hot.

I've eaten at the closest and most sensibly priced one and enjoyed most of the food I tried. I don't mind a little heat and spice...never have. Their Shrimp "Taka Tak," Tandoori Kabab and Biryani were pretty great. I put seafood in my Biryani when I was there.

Hmm. Too hot? I don't believe in such an animal (he says foolishly)!

I'd love to have an Indian restaurant around here, but we're lucky we have a KFC and a Subway. If I drive two towns over, I can go to a Wendy's (mmm...), or a Cracker Barrel (Applefest Walnut Salad = Ambrosia), but an Indian restaurant? That would be awesome.

My town's no L.A. (or even Madison, WI for that matter...don't laugh ) but we have a surprising number of ethnic restaurants. Mexican. Chinese. Japanese. Thai. Vietnamese. Brazilian. Greek. I'm sure I'm missing a couple of nationalities. To be fair, most of them are Chinese and Mexican, but I suppose you can file that newsflash under "DUH!"

A lot of great food around here. Some of it's a little pricey depending on where you go and what time of day, but for a city of our size(barely 100,000 in the city proper) we're a very diverse and eclectic place. We're even considered the gay Mecca for this whole part of Virginia.

 

[gturner]

I used to send pizza to the IDF. One of the websites that I used to frequent had a cute little link for that, and you get to send a note along with it.

By IDF, you mean Israel Defense Forces and not the International Diabetes Federation, right?

Yep.

http://pizzaidf.org/

 

[RandyS]

Opposing discrimination in hiring practices and the denial of basic civil rights and benefits to a group of people is not political correctness, so you can drop the silly buzzwords designed to get people who don't put more than two seconds of thought into their response on your side. You've already got Randy, the King of Apathy on your side.

I have to take exception here. Knight does NOT have me on his side. All I said was that Chick-a-Fill's owner has a right to his opinions the same as anybody else. I also said that I DO NOT SHARE THAT OPINION.

Go back and reread my post.

No, you go back and read every other post in the thread where they make it clear that the problem is not the owner's personal beliefs, but the corporate culture he encourages at Chick-Fil-A which uses discriminatory hiring practices, directly bans gays at their corporate retreats, finances legal campaigns to prevent gay marriage and stop legislation against discrimination of LGBT people, and supports organizations which promote a host of bigoted beliefs. You've profoundly missed the point in your usual crusade to not give a shit about anything except false accusations of political correctness, which was the thing I was taking issue with you about.

So, I'm on a crusade now. Never once did I bring up political correctness in this discussion. You did that.

 

[Amaris]

I didn't say I made it well! J. if you ever want to try making Indian food at home and need some tips, shoot me a PM. Go look at recipes and find something that looks good!

Consider it shooted!

My town's no L.A. (or even Madison, WI for that matter...don't laugh ) but we have a surprising number of ethnic restaurants. Mexican. Chinese. Japanese. Thai. Vietnamese. Brazilian. Greek. I'm sure I'm missing a couple of nationalities. To be fair, most of them are Chinese and Mexican, but I suppose you can file that newsflash under "DUH!"

A lot of great food around here. Some of it's a little pricey depending on where you go and what time of day, but for a city of our size(barely 100,000 in the city proper) we're a very diverse and eclectic place. We're even considered the gay Mecca for this whole part of Virginia.

Ooh, compared to us you're a big city!

Our population is about 11,000, give or take a few. I've been kind of hoping to see a Sonic drive thru built around here. There's an empty space out by the local Walgreens that's been in development hell for years, but I'm hoping it eventually happens. Of course, if they build an Indian restaurant there, I'd be happy with that, too!

 

[shivkala]

I used to send pizza to the IDF. One of the websites that I used to frequent had a cute little link for that, and you get to send a note along with it.

By IDF, you mean Israel Defense Forces and not the International Diabetes Federation, right?

Yep.

http://pizzaidf.org/

I thought so, but just wanted to make sure.

Donating pizza to the Israel Defense Forces is admirable in my book. Donating pizza to the International Diabetes Federation, no so much.

 

[cooleddie74]

I even heard that the menu at one of the local Indian places was TOO hot.

Get a yogurt dish or drink (lassi). If something ends up being too hot, that will help.

Thanks a lot for the helpful hint, Kes.

You know, the yogurt items you mentioned were probably on the restaurant's menu that day and I just didn't make the connection. Dairy enzymes trump spiciness and heat. I'll try to remember next time!

 

[Amaris]

I even heard that the menu at one of the local Indian places was TOO hot.

Get a yogurt dish or drink (lassi). If something ends up being too hot, that will help.

Thanks a lot for the helpful hint, Kes.

You know, the yogurt items you mentioned were probably on the restaurant's menu that day and I just didn't make the connection. Dairy enzymes trump spiciness and heat. I'll try to remember next time!

First rule of spicy food enjoyment: Always have something at the ready, to coat your tongue and your stomach, should things get too hot too fast!

Second rule of spicy food enjoyment*: Don't be an idiot and drink 6 ounces of fire sauce, while on an empty stomach, on a dare. Or at the very least, don't do it for free.



*The second rule may or may not have been added because of me.

 

[cooleddie74]

Funny(or lame)thing is, when I eat really hot and spicy food at home or at a friend's place, I drink cold skim, lowfat or chocolate milk or I ask them if they have any. Or ice cream if that's an option. But when I'm in a public restaurant packed full of strangers...I drink cold water or soda. I never think to ask for milk or other dairy in case some dish is too hot.

Now, mind you, the Indian place I ate at didn't have INSANELY hot food. I wasn't freaking out at the table and pounding my fist in discomfort, but there were some moments I thought I had gotten in a little over my head. If I had thought about Kestra's yogurt solution that would have been quite convenient to say the least.

Force of habit. Sooner or later I'll learn.

 

[Talosian]

By IDF, you mean Israel Defense Forces and not the International Diabetes Federation, right?

Yep.

http://pizzaidf.org/

I thought so, but just wanted to make sure.

Donating pizza to the Israel Defense Forces is admirable in my book. Donating pizza to the International Diabetes Federation, no so much.

Really? Are you that shameless? Donating pizza to the IDF, an army funded to the tune of billions of tax-dollars from 1.5% GDP growing United States of America is admirable but donating to a group representing Diabetes patients is not?

Screw the IDF. The U.S., if it's ever ever going to get its fiscal act together needs to stop squandering billions of dollars on fully industrialized, wealthy nations like Israel. A country that only accepts the immigration of Jewish Americans, regardless of whether they're atheist or not.

 

[shivkala]

Only because it's donating pizza, which, as the link I posted suggested, is not the best thing for people with diabetes! Now, maybe the people working for the International Diabetes Federation do not suffer from diabetes themselves. Even so, sending workers for an organization that supports helping people with diabetes a food that is problematic may not be the best thing. I would react the same way if he had donated bacon to the Israel Defense Forces, again, regardless of whether the people receiving the bacon were Jewish or not. As for donating money, I would wholeheartedly support donating to the International Diabetes Foundation.

To put it in the context of this thread, I also would not advocate donating Chick-Fil-A to the Gay & Lesbian Leadership Institute.

And, seeing as how historically, the Jewish people were kicked out of country after country, I don't see anything wrong with a Jewish state that readily accepts Jews.

 

[nightwind1]

The only good thing about this kind of threads is that they expose people for what they really are.

So I say we should have a Wall of Shame for people who stated in this thread that they actively and purposefully support groups and companies with an anti-gay agenda:

Brent
Knight Templar
NebulaClassGuy
BDJ
Green Shirt

Did I miss anyone?

It's their position, they stand by it, so they should be happy to make it clear. And I think it would be good for the rest of us to have it on record. You know, for reference.

This truly shows the motive of non-Christians.

Jesus drove the moneylenders out of the temple with a whip and destroyed their tables.

Should he have just said, "Well, those moneylenders are entitled to their own opinions and should be able to do what they want"?

 

[nightwind1]

^Shivkala

I regularly eat at an Egyptian restaurant whose owners may well donate to the Muslim Brotherhood, which certainly persecutes the heck out of Egyptian gays, Egyptian Christians, women, and Jews. But their food is very tasty. Even Moses would eat there after 40 years in the wilderness.

I remember you stating that earlier in the thread. I do appreciate you answering the question, though, and for your honesty. I've never had Egyptian food, though, to be honest, I'm sure I'm not the only one who left The Avengers wondering what Shawarama was or if it's any good. Not sure where I'd get it around me, though, seeing as how putting "Egyptian Food" and my town into Google pulls up Chinese restaurants as the first 3 results!

Try "Mediterranean" or "Arab" food. From what I've had there, it's no different than Jordanian food, and not all that different from Turkey. Shawarma is extremely tasty, and I think it was invented in Turkey shortly after electric motors and gas heat came out. They just stack meat on a rotating upright spit in front of radiant gas burners and let it slowly spin all day. It's now the most popular meat in Germany, and very popular in Canada and Israel. They add vegetables and a yogurt sauce and wrap it in a pita, so it's eaten like a taco or wrap.

Never had schwarma, but my favorite sandwich in the entire world is a really good gyro, which is pretty much the Greek version of the same thing.

Seasoned beef and lamb, cooked the same way schwarma is, on pita with a nice tzatziki (cucumber/yogurt) sauce, some tomatoes, onion and lettuce.

 

[cooleddie74]

Don't get me started on gyros. Not at 1 in the morning.

I haven't had a really excellent gyro in ages, just some that a friend and his wife made but kinda fell short because they didn't have much experience playing around with certain ethnic foods. Haven't been to that Greek restaurant here in town in an eon or more. I love gyros. Even more than I love my calzones.

And I'm a dude who loves his calzones.

 

[gturner]

Really? Are you that shameless? Donating pizza to the IDF, an army funded to the tune of billions of tax-dollars from 1.5% GDP growing United States of America is admirable but donating to a group representing Diabetes patients is not?

But the US government doesn't send pizza to the IDF. Early attempts arrived stale and soggy, and even the SR-71 deliveries couldn't get there in anywhere close to 30 minutes, so the project was abandoned during the Ford Administration. Carter had no interest in revisiting the program and didn't want to antagonize Egypt, so he did nothing, and it fell to Reagan to allow the export of sensitive pizza manufacturing technology to Israel.

Since then, they've been able to build up a self-sufficient domestic pizza production capability that can dominate the region. Now, using the Internet (created through an initiative by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency - DARPA), Americans can get pizza delivered directly to front line Israeli units.

North Korean soldiers wish we'd send them pizza, too, but their great and wise leader doesn't want them getting any ideas about toppling his regime and opening a private pizza franchise.

 

[gturner]

Never had schwarma, but my favorite sandwich in the entire world is a really good gyro, which is pretty much the Greek version of the same thing.

Seasoned beef and lamb, cooked the same way schwarma is, on pita with a nice tzatziki (cucumber/yogurt) sauce, some tomatoes, onion and lettuce.

I think they mean pretty much the same thing. Another word for shawarma is doner kebab, where doner means "turn", as does gyro.

Wiki says:

The Arabic word shawarma comes from the Turkish word çevirme 'turning', and has its origins in Anatolia. It is similar to the dish called döner kebab, "turning kebab", in Turkish, and the Greek gyros, "turned", formerly called ντονέρ /doˈner/. A related Armenian dish is tarna, literally meaning "to turn".

Canadian shawarma (doner kebabs) use tzatziki sauce.

Interestingly, Cincinnati style chili has Mediterranean roots. Skyline was based on a Greek stew recipe and Goldstar is Jordanian. They serve it over Italian spaghetti and topped with Wisconsin cheddar.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I have to take exception here. Knight does NOT have me on his side. All I said was that Chick-a-Fill's owner has a right to his opinions the same as anybody else. I also said that I DO NOT SHARE THAT OPINION.

Go back and reread my post.

No, you go back and read every other post in the thread where they make it clear that the problem is not the owner's personal beliefs, but the corporate culture he encourages at Chick-Fil-A which uses discriminatory hiring practices, directly bans gays at their corporate retreats, finances legal campaigns to prevent gay marriage and stop legislation against discrimination of LGBT people, and supports organizations which promote a host of bigoted beliefs. You've profoundly missed the point in your usual crusade to not give a shit about anything except false accusations of political correctness, which was the thing I was taking issue with you about.

So, I'm on a crusade now. Never once did I bring up political correctness in this discussion. You did that.

You're on a crusade to miss the point. Where did I say you brought it up here (in fact Knight Templar first did)? I said PC seems to be the only thing you ever seem to give a damn about. You apparently couldn't care less about this company taking part in fighting LGBT civil rights and actually wondered why it bothered people despite everything that's been said.