Dominion battleship/Romulan Winged Defender Anyone Notice?

[Knight Templar]

Has anyone ever noticed that if you take the Dominion battleship (the regular one, not the monster one from "Valiant") and turn it upside down that it looks remarkably like the Romulan Winged Defender from FASAs designs?

http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/dominion/dominion_battlecruiser.jpg


http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/romulan/cruiser_v30.jpg

 

[Avon]

i think remarkably is pushing it. i'd meet you on vaguely but go no further.

 

[Venardhi]

Nope. Other than they both have wingish shapes and pods of some kind on the end of them.

 

[Knight Templar]

Nope. Other than they both have wingish shapes and pods of some kind on the end of them.

winged shapes and pods pretty much define the Winged Defender class cruiser.

 

[largo]

must be wallbanger wednesday.

 

[Knight Templar]

must be wallbanger wednesday.

What does that mean?

 

[Dukhat]

Has anyone ever noticed that if you take the Dominion battleship (the regular one, not the monster one from "Valiant") and turn it upside down that it looks remarkably like the Romulan Winged Defender from FASAs designs?

http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/dominion/dominion_battlecruiser.jpg


http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/romulan/cruiser_v30.jpg

Sorry, not seeing any resemblance whatsoever. The Winged Defender looks way more like a Klingon BoP, which of course was what it was based on anyway.

 

[Finn]

Nah. I'm sure we'd see plenty of variants of that general design, even in the Delta Quadrant.

 

[JES]

Vaguely at the most.
I mean, the Dominion Battleship is more like thus long, delta winged warship. The Winged Defender on the other hand is much shorter proportionally.

I suppose that if you look at the two from the front or rear, and turn either of them upside down, then I suppose that they look very much alike, but otherwise, the Reman Scimitar looks more like the Dominion Battleship than the Winged Defender (albeit barely more).

 

[Ship's Computer]

The Vas'deletham class Romulan Cruiser is also known as the J4 class "winged defender". With a crew compliment of 348 to 350 personnel it is based upon the popular "delta design" used for many battleships and cruisers of a predatory nature.

The Jem'hadar battleship of the Dominion is also based heavily along a predatory design so similarites will be evident. However the two ships are unrelated.

 

[137th Gebirg]

If there was ever an example of a hidden tie between canon Trek and FASA, I'm thinking it would be the NX-class deriving from the Loknar

 

[EmperorKalan]

Has anyone ever noticed that if you take the Dominion battleship (the regular one, not the monster one from "Valiant") and turn it upside down that it looks remarkably like the Romulan Winged Defender from FASAs designs?

I think the "similarity" is more along the lines of two designers independently thinking certain configurations of shapes looked good.

 

[Romulus Prime]

Maybe if the Japanese made a chibi-style Winged Defender...?

Other than that, no.

 

[JES]

If there was ever an example of a hidden tie between canon Trek and FASA, I'm thinking it would be the NX-class deriving from the Loknar

I don't care what the owner of the Star Trek Starship Tactical Online Database and Archive says, be that it may be that the website, and the person who runs it, has my respect: The similarities between the NX-class, and to an extent, the Akira-class, and the Loknar class are merely passing.
If anything, the NX-class looks much more like the Akyazi class, while the Norway class is a little more like the Loknar class.
Though I suppose the only way to settle this once and for all would be to ask the Akira's designer, Alex Jaeger.

Interestingly enough though, the Phobos variant on the underhand is a different story, and looks very similar to the NX-class, perhaps even more so than the Akyazi class due the the shape of the saucer section.

 

[Albertese]

^^^
You do know that the NX-01 designer, Doug Drexler has said that the NX-class was based on the Akira-class ship as an executive producer's fiat, right? I imagine any similarity to the Loknar is indeed coincidence, but the Akira/NX relationship is very well established.

--Alex

 

[JES]

^Yes, I'm well aware of that.

When I said that the similarities between the NX class, Akira class, and the Loknar class were passing, I meant was referring between the NX-class and the Akira class (for that matter), and the Loknar class. As in the NX-class and Akira class are in the same category, and are being compared to the Loknar class.

 

[Albertese]

Oh, gotcha.

--Alex

 

[theSaj]

Actually, I do think the original poster might be onto something here... but he posted the wrong design.

This is the 2nd generation Winged Defender. When performance enhancements were implemented and a relocation of the warp nacells to the former weapons mounts and vice-versa.

It doesn't look that much like the Jem Hedar ship.

But I believe that's because that's because the poster wasn't looking at that Winged Defender when he saw the resemblance (and the resemblance is mostly only from the front profile view, not the top).

But compare the front profile view of the Dominion ship with the original Winged Defender (as seen in FASA's Star Trek III version of the game).

You see much much greater simularity. Note the trapezoidal front even. Some aspects seem a bit reversed/flip, but there are a striking number of similarities. Pretty much, just flip the old Winged Defender upside down and you have almost the exact profile of the Dominion ship. In fact, the trapezoidal "cockpit" of the Winged Defender is simply pushed down. But it's even maintained in the Dominion ship.

Furthermore, you could even see how an artist may have started with this and expanded it from the top view. Take the cockpit of the WD, and split it to make it look different. And what you almost see is the Winged Defender morphed with the Nova battleship. Take the old Winged Defender's front view, and the Nova's top view...and you pretty much have the Jem Hedar ship.

Oh my, to quote Takei... I just looked at the side view of the Nova. Notice that if you remove that big monstrosity on the tale. The side view is near identical to the Nova's.

So yes, I am going to have to give it to Knight Templar. The Dominion's Jem Hedar warship is essentially an amalgamation of the Romulan Wing Defender (v.1) and the Romulan Nova battleship.

 

[Dukhat]

I'll agree that the rear view of that ship, turned upside-down, does bare a resemblance to the rear view of the Dominion ship, but the other views look nothing like it IMHO.

 

[publiusr]

Nova looks most like the Dominion super-battleship http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Jem'Hadar_battleship, were its engines more rearward.