it's not the wider community now that's being "divisive" it's coming from the opposite direction these days, and when the wider community organizers point this out, it's the other side that acts just like Gotham has here, and it just fosters more misunderstanding and drama.
And, you've done it again. Congratulations! Its not us, its you. Yeah we treat you like shit....but you doing your own thing, that's the REAL problem.
No, that's not what I stated, and I never denied the validity of the way you perceive yourself to be treated or that there is racism within the gay community. Stop being a drama queen.
What I stated was that one of the key objections that the Black Pride event has gotten in recent years is that attitudes like yours - which take what's being said and develop an entire narrative in this particular case about two individuals from statements that have been made that aren't even remotely true and for which no quotes can be mustered - have begun to prevail (and,yes,they have in Atlanta, my friend). Put another way, you, Gotham, and, in my opinion some of the leaders of the event in Atlanta, have become the mirror image of those you are criticizing yourselves. What else should I think when you run an entire unfounded narrative for which, when asked, you have not mustered any explanation other than to repeat the narrative, about what I've stated here? That's not solving anything - it's making it worse, and this thread here illustrates it clearly. It happens on an individual level, and I suggest that it happens at the aggregate level. In other words, as I have repeatedly stated, your objections float both ways, and until you acknowledge that, yes, I think you are contributing more to the problem than to the solution - and that plays right into the hands of our social and political opponents, and, on a more personal level, from what I have seen here in my brief experience with you, I'm inclined to agree with Indy that there is, on some level, some projection going on here on your part. Put in gay speak: I'm trying to have a rational discussion, and all you're doing is being a bitchy queen. Like I said, gay drama.
I love the word "self-segregation" as it is the equivalent of "she as asking for it". Via turning around cause and effect people reveal what they truly are.
That's your tendentious definition, not mine. Quote me where I suggested that "self-segregation" and "she's asking for it are equivalent expressions. Of course, you can't. No, what I stated is that I don't think segregated events are a long term solution. Stating that and "self-segregation = she's asking for it" are not logically convertible propositions.
Yeah, you're right, reversing cause and effect does reveal persons for what they are. You've done a marvelous job here. Like I stated before, I'm not the one injecting race into the equation, and when I try to talk about it, I get accused of racism for pointing out what - that the objections cut both ways -
when they very clearly do as this thread shows.. Yeah,
I'm the one with issues about race. No, if anything I'm just the one that has the guts to admit to having issues with race and a good part of it is because of the kind of treatment like I've gotten here. Like I said, I know real courage, it's not the black gay guy being out on the South Side; it's the HIV positive white gay guy living in a small town in Iowa like my ex or myself - don't lecture me about not understanding another person's experience. I know what is like to lose a job for being gay; I know what is like to be asked to leave a public swimming pool for being HIV positive. I've experienced discrimination as an HIV positive man within the gay community, in churches, and in the workplace, privately and publicly, in general and personally - so, yes, I can, in point of fact relate on some level to the way Griffin perceives himself to have been treated and to even suggest that I, in particular, are stating what you're stating horatio is, frankly, very,
very wrong.
I'm done here. I left the gay ghetto because of crap like this.
