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Falling Skies - Season 2- discussion/Spoilers

Though it's almost proof that their culture of radio wave sensitive life forms were destroyed/crippled by Earth's early TV transmissions, that they're naming their shit after stuff from Star Trek.


In the early days, the DMZ in the Korea's was also referred to as a Neutral Zone, as was the border between the two Vietnam's, so Trek named their shit after real life stuff. I didn't give a crap that they called the "human DMZ" that name. So what.
I'm just grateful that I have ONE scripted sic-fi show to watch. (unless it's a year that Dr. Who is on) FS really isn't that bad but it'll be gone quicker than you can say Stargate Universe with all the nit-picking on this board. I mean, really, nobody is EVER going to make a flawless, perfect TV show. Sure there are tons of holes but it's entertaining me, which is what it's supposed to do.
 
^^ I didn't check for Falling Skies because I recorded it, but True Blood was right there on Monday. It seems weird that it depends on the local cable company; you'd think it would be the same for a particular channel everywhere.
All TNT shows are withheld until the next episode airs on my system
 
Just caught up on this show, I think it is showing some signs of improvement and is better than season one. According to several critics it apparently gets even more interesting around episode four of this season.

But I still can't help but nit-pick at the show while I am watching it. Whoever the showrunner is needs to take a firmer hand and give those scripts a good polish, preferably with the help of some sort of military consultant and continuity person. There were several minor things that bugged me in these first two episodes. Aside from the bigger narrative and character based problems.

So our heroes shoot down an alien airship. Then the gunner starts babbling about 20mm discarding sabot rounds. Great, except for the fact that his weapon was clearly a DShK 12.7mm machine gun. Not only that, it is not an American weapon, our military doesn't use it, nor do civilians have them. A silly nit-pick? Sure. But it goes to show the care that is not being taken on the show. They could have had their M2 50cal(American made and we know they have at least one of them) mounted on that truck and changed the line to something like "50 caliber armor piercing incendiary rounds" which would match the weapon and make in-universe sense.

Second, they get to the burnt out bridge. They talk about having a scouting party swim across the river for some recon. Ignoring the fact that one side of the bridge is still there and anyone could just walk across it.

Do things like this make or break a show? Of course not, but it demonstrates that the prop and production people are out of sync with the writers(or vice versa) and it just seems sloppy.
 
Second, they get to the burnt out bridge. They talk about having a scouting party swim across the river for some recon. Ignoring the fact that one side of the bridge is still there and anyone could just walk across it.

Totally agree with this one. It was one of several things for which I had to pause the DVR for a moment, to shout at the screen about, before continuing on with the episode.

During my little break, I imagined, in my own little personal and revised version of the story in which things made more sense to me, that it would make sense for any recon team that crosses the hole in the bridge to be able to swim back, were the bridge completely destroyed in the meantime. With this in mind, it might make sense for a team to swim across in the first place, at least so that they know what they are doing if they have to get the heck out and swim back in the reverse direction. It might also be less likely to be spotted, to swim across than to just walk across. But, but, but, a thousand objections. The problems really keep compounding the more it's analyzed.

It's just not a believable premise, unless you assume that the humans are being driven like cattle and allowed to make it.

Still, I think you're exactly right; there's some sort of disconnect between what the characters are doing in the story on one hand, and the visual depiction of that on screen on the other.
 
Just caught up on this show, I think it is showing some signs of improvement and is better than season one. According to several critics it apparently gets even more interesting around episode four of this season.

But I still can't help but nit-pick at the show while I am watching it. Whoever the showrunner is needs to take a firmer hand and give those scripts a good polish, preferably with the help of some sort of military consultant and continuity person. There were several minor things that bugged me in these first two episodes. Aside from the bigger narrative and character based problems.

So our heroes shoot down an alien airship. Then the gunner starts babbling about 20mm discarding sabot rounds. Great, except for the fact that his weapon was clearly a DShK 12.7mm machine gun. Not only that, it is not an American weapon, our military doesn't use it, nor do civilians have them. A silly nit-pick? Sure. But it goes to show the care that is not being taken on the show. They could have had their M2 50cal(American made and we know they have at least one of them) mounted on that truck and changed the line to something like "50 caliber armor piercing incendiary rounds" which would match the weapon and make in-universe sense.
In all honesty, who knows guns well enough, and is paying close enough attention (And maybe even freeze framing) to notice this? Maybe 1 out of 100 or 1000 viewers or less? It's not a Big Budget movie, it's a low budget TNT TV Series, they have to make do with what they have, maybe they got the weapons in a big bulk deal? I'm sure the budget gets pretty chewed up by the Skitters, the Mechs, The Skinnies, the Space Ships, probably not much left of the budget after those effects and paying the Actors and crew.
 
I finally caught up on the episodes. The writing is definitely getting sharper and the action has more punch. There's still something about it that I don't like - probably the fear that there's some overly contrived reason why the skinnies don't just wipe out all the humans and have done with it, vs infecting Tom with a spy-drone that records whatever he sees or hears and letting them all run around in the woods.

And why couldn't the little flying camera insect do its job without needing to be embedded in anyone? Why not just send dozens into the camp to observe from multiple perspectives. Nobody would notice a few more insects buzzing around camp.

I do like the skinnies just being straightforward villains. Bwahaha, we will take over your planet and enslave you. Good. I'm sick of overly complicated villain motives that get so convoluted that they lose all their dramatic impact. I like RJDiogenes punk-kids explanation for their motives. :D

As for the guns, that's the kind of thing that few people notice or care about. They should concentrate on improving the writing. Everyone notices that.

One final gripe I have with this show is that the music is still strident, an unfortunate trait carried over from the first season. Whoever composes the synth heavy crap with generic compositions should be fired on the spot.

The music isn't as overbearing as last season, but yeah - I noticed it. When you notice TV music, it's never a good thing (except in rare instances when you're noticing its excellence).
 
We finally got around to watching the rest of it last night, and I haven't had time yet to read all the comments since Sunday. I think it's obvious that TPTB have notched things up quite a bit. By the time we got into the second ep, we were hooked again. I'll read through to see what other folks thought about it, then post again later on.
 
4.5Million, SyFy would kill for those ratings for a Scripted show

Maybe SyFy should consider doing a show about actual aliens again? :D Falling Skies might not be the best show ever, but it's good enough to get me to watch, which is more than I can say for anything on SyFy now. It has solid action sequences and the characters aren't actively annoying for the most part. They've figured out how to get kids in the show without making me root for the aliens to eat them.

The budding romances show no signs of the dreaded love triangle at this point. And they're being depicted fairly convincingly - Tom and Anne for instance are obviously meant for each other, but nobody's making a move because they are kind of preoccupied with the whole survival thing.

There's a refreshing lack of angst over relationships or what all of this is doing to the kids. Contrast Carl from The Walking Dead, with his mom freaking out that he's losing his childhood, with Matt, who picks up a BFG and starts blasting away. No angst, just "good shootin, kid!"

Typing it all out like that, hey - this show isn't bad at all!
 
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WHAT??? But....but....that would mean....a science fiction show would be on, and a SCRIPTED one, at that. How would they ever be able to fit in amongst all the natural-disaster movies and ghost-hunting programs?
 
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So our heroes shoot down an alien airship. Then the gunner starts babbling about 20mm discarding sabot rounds. Great, except for the fact that his weapon was clearly a DShK 12.7mm machine gun. Not only that, it is not an American weapon, our military doesn't use it, nor do civilians have them. A silly nit-pick? Sure. But it goes to show the care that is not being taken on the show. They could have had their M2 50cal(American made and we know they have at least one of them) mounted on that truck and changed the line to something like "50 caliber armor piercing incendiary rounds" which would match the weapon and make in-universe sense.
In all honesty, who knows guns well enough, and is paying close enough attention (And maybe even freeze framing) to notice this? Maybe 1 out of 100 or 1000 viewers or less? It's not a Big Budget movie, it's a low budget TNT TV Series, they have to make do with what they have, maybe they got the weapons in a big bulk deal? I'm sure the budget gets pretty chewed up by the Skitters, the Mechs, The Skinnies, the Space Ships, probably not much left of the budget after those effects and paying the Actors and crew.
So the gun porn issue resurfaces :devil:.

I don't mind a visual modification of calling a 12.7mm gun a 20mm. What gets me is how "sabot" has become the magic word. With no onscreen nod to how the high kinetic energy coming out of the barrel is what makes sabot rounds work. I first noticed in the first Transformers where the Special Forces where shooting "sabot" rounds from low powered grenade launchers and that was the only thing which would slow a robot down.

In Falling Skies, 50 cal or 20mm with discarding sabot would break their "technical" gun cars apart. And I see the 2nd Mass still has weapons from every nation on earth special forces units
 
In all honesty, who knows guns well enough, and is paying close enough attention (And maybe even freeze framing) to notice this? Maybe 1 out of 100 or 1000 viewers or less? It's not a Big Budget movie, it's a low budget TNT TV Series, they have to make do with what they have, maybe they got the weapons in a big bulk deal? I'm sure the budget gets pretty chewed up by the Skitters, the Mechs, The Skinnies, the Space Ships, probably not much left of the budget after those effects and paying the Actors and crew.

You're right, very few viewers are going to notice or care about such issues. As a soldier who has handled such weapons I am far more attuned to that stuff than the average person.

But here is what bothers me. It would not take any increase in budget to swap out the DShK for an M2(they already have at least one M2 on set), changing the line likewise requires no increase in budget. All it requires is for the writers to do a little research(five minutes on Wiki would suffice) and not be lazy. If the sometimes goofy lighthearted Stargate shows could get things generally right(in terms of firearms), then certainly Falling Skies should be able to.

I don't mind a visual modification of calling a 12.7mm gun a 20mm. What gets me is how "sabot" has become the magic word. With no onscreen nod to how the high kinetic energy coming out of the barrel is what makes sabot rounds work. I first noticed in the first Transformers where the Special Forces where shooting "sabot" rounds from low powered grenade launchers and that was the only thing which would slow a robot down.

In Falling Skies, 50 cal or 20mm with discarding sabot would break their "technical" gun cars apart. And I see the 2nd Mass still has weapons from every nation on earth special forces units

Yeah, the magical sabot rounds are always good for a laugh. Sabot rounds are a little longer than normal rounds, and are fired at a higher velocity. They are not going to work with a low velocity grenade launcher.

A 20mm might break the suspension of a technical, but I've seen DShKs and M2s mounted on pick-up trucks in Iraq, if the pintle mount is welded on well enough it works fine. 50 caliber SLAP(Saboted Light Armor Penetrator) ammunition is fired at a higher velocity than standard ball ammunition, but the round itself is lighter, meaning there is no real increase in recoil.

As to the small arms of the 2nd Mass they are too varied for my taste(keeping all those various sizes of rounds in stock would be a logistical nightmare, as well as different lubes and replacement parts). Just in the second season so far we have seen a Beretta 92FS, Colt Python, S&W 5906, Taurus 689, M4A1, IMI Galil, H&K G36K, H&K 91, M1 carbine, SIG 552, M1A, Beretta M12, H&K MP5. But our heroes could have run across such varied weapons without stretching believability too far. Most are either legal in the US(in civilian variants) or used by military, law enforcement or security groups in some capacity. Until Ben(5.56mm) and Hal(7.62mm) start trading magazines during a firefight or something, I am willing to give the show a pass on small arms.

But again, the gun issue is not going to determine if Falling Skies is a good show or a bad show. All it illustrates to me is that there is a lack of attention to detail somewhere on the production side, and the writers are either ignorant or too lazy to fix things. Or more probably they just think it makes our heroes look more ragtag and "cool" if everyone is using a different weapon.
 
WHAT??? But....but....that would mean....a science fiction show would be on, and a SCRIPTED one, at that. How would they ever be able to fit in amongst all the natural-disaster movies and ghost-hunting programs?
You forgot pro wrestling. That's scripted! :p

Loved this show in S1 and still loving it in S2. Was surprised to see it come out for a summer season - I was convinced we wouldn't see anything until at least September, not that I'm complaining.

Re: Obscure weapons usage - the DShK - I'm a firearms enthusiast and that's REAL obscure. At least it's not as bad as having post-assault-weapons-ban AK-47's on the island on Lost, supplied by the Dharma Initiative and stored in their bunkers 20-30+ years before the assault weapons ban ever existed (10-round magazines and thumb-hole grips? Really??) Now THAT one had my head spinning. Some old Soviet MG? Nah. Not a big deal. Could have been in some Class-3 collector's vault somewhere. Not common, to be sure, but easily explainable over Lost's propensity for anachronism. My only other question is - they're in Massachusetts. They got some pretty heavy anti-gun laws in almost all New England states with the one possible exception of New Hampshire. Where the hell did all this ordinance come from in the first place?? Not that I'm complaining, mind you. It's been a long time since I've seen anyone produce a show that, under the surface, seems to be a bit pro-gun, at least, comparatively. :D

Re: Some folks thinking "Neutral Zone" is a Trek rip-off? :rolleyes: Whatever. I guess nobody watches NFL Football any more, not to mention the other equally valid pre-Trek historical references.
 
I assumed TOS took the term from History somewhere as a child.

Korea, perhaps Vietnam?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_zone

You do understand that almost no one in the world except Americans play "Football".

And that to truly civilized people, gridiron is called soccer?

Wait?

That's not right?

Sports?

"Meh".
 
I always figured with the short dirty total war with the Klingons as the big bad of the universe the Romulans of Balance of Terror represented North Koreans and the Neutral Zone the DMZ
 
Re: Obscure weapons usage -

My only other question is - they're in Massachusetts. They got some pretty heavy anti-gun laws in almost all New England states with the one possible exception of New Hampshire. Where the hell did all this ordinance come from in the first place?? Not that I'm complaining, mind you. It's been a long time since I've seen anyone produce a show that, under the surface, seems to be a bit pro-gun, at least, comparatively. :D
I fan wanked that the ex cop knew where Boston PD held their seized weapons awaiting disposal. But you would think they would at least pull the firing pins if not the entire bolt before storing them in real life.
 
On the gun issue, it kind of revolves around just how much of the US population is still alive. Most estimates cite that there are around 270 million firearms privately owned in the US currently. The military possesses an estimated 3 million+ firearms, and law enforcement roughly 900,000. Most civilian firearms are obviously not the military/semi-military weapons we have seen on the show so far. We should see more hunting rifles and shotguns.

But if we theorize that only 10% of the population is still alive, everyone should have their pick of guns. Even in Massachusetts. Finding ammunition should be the much bigger problem.
 
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