Mad Men, Season 5. General Discussion Thread (spoilers welcome)
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Does Pete not have a face that just screams "hit me"? He gets punched out by a commuter associate followed immediately by a beatdown by the train conductor. This guy does not deserve Beth and especially Trudy.
Megan's mom cuts straight through the BS to the heart of the matter, doesn't she? Hard to see how she ended up with Megan's dad.
After seeing the "Brief nudty" warning before the episode starts, as a straight male, I feel cheated.
I too loved the long shot of Don walking away from Megan as the frame with her in it shrank further and further into the background. Don's statement to Peggy in the theater was also telling..."you help someone, they become successful and leave". These may all be season finale red herrings -- this show is not what I would call predictable, at least most of the time.
Looking forward to next season -- but until then, Walter White awaits!!!
Megan's mom cuts straight through the BS to the heart of the matter, doesn't she? Hard to see how she ended up with Megan's dad.
After seeing the "Brief nudty" warning before the episode starts, as a straight male, I feel cheated.
Fassbender has that "dainty", prissy look that Pierce Brosnan had. THAT is not Bond. Hamm would bring the same tough guy coolness to the role that Connery and now, Daniel Craig, brought. However, I have never been able to see Hamm as Batman, though I'm sure he'd be better than Christian Bale.
Indeed. The way this show is presented we will probably learn Don's answer in some off hand low key way. Maybe one of the women will call Don or perhaps we'll find out in some way that Don has never cheated on Megan...still.
I too loved the long shot of Don walking away from Megan as the frame with her in it shrank further and further into the background. Don's statement to Peggy in the theater was also telling..."you help someone, they become successful and leave". These may all be season finale red herrings -- this show is not what I would call predictable, at least most of the time.
Looking forward to next season -- but until then, Walter White awaits!!!
Only because you are used to being catered to in this way.
I bet almost no one expected the "nudity" we'd see would be Roger's tuckus.
Really? I think he looks (and looked in X-men) like a guy who could hold his own with Connery.
I'm guessing Megan's dad, Emile, is at least a dozen or more years older than her mom, Marie. I suspect Marie might have been one Emile's students (we know he likes screwing them, after all), was dazzled by his "professorial sophistication" and dropped out to marry Emile. Much like Megan seems to, Marie probably grew up after getting married and started seeing through the B.S.
A lot of people on the AMC site, where I lurk, were expecting something with more spectacle. I thought it was wise not to outdo the two previous episodes. The season ended with everyone moving in directions they sought.
I can't wait for 1968.
I can't wait for 1968.
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He did a funny drunk James Mason on SNL a few years ago...
Hulu link. (I apologize that you'll have to sit through some Kristen Wiig first.)
Bobby Kennedy's assassination looms. And....of course Don will cheat. That's the point of the finale and the season and what Adam (Don's subsconscious) was telling him--he hasn't really changed. He's got some good in him, occasionally tries to go good for a period of time, but his tooth isn't what's rotten. Don's a womanizing bad boy who might try to do right by his wife, but he'll always stray. His demons will always be there and always return. He chose a fantasy of a woman (Megan) and not a woman who suited him (Fay). He made the same mistake as he did in his first marriage, marrying the blonde from the highbrow family who was the image of a high society wife, not someone suited for him.
Don tried to be faithful to Betty for a few months after he was caught the first time, but he went back to his ways when Bobbie Barrett came along. Now his wife is going to be out of town and meeting people, which isn't what Don really wanted. He didn't really want an independent working wife who could be independent of him. Don hasn't changed.
Don tried to be faithful to Betty for a few months after he was caught the first time, but he went back to his ways when Bobbie Barrett came along. Now his wife is going to be out of town and meeting people, which isn't what Don really wanted. He didn't really want an independent working wife who could be independent of him. Don hasn't changed.
I almost hope they skip 68. That year is all about horrible national events: the presidential election, the Tet Offensive, the DNC convention, the assassinations of MLK and RFK, etc. One thing I appreciate about MM is that they typically don't go for the cliched "where were you when [blank] happened." I'm not sure they can avoid that if they set the series in 1968.
Betty and Megan are not the same kind of woman. betty was a self absorbed little girl who never grew up. Megan is more like the kind of women Don was attracted to. She's smart and more self-confident.
Yes, Don is seeing things that haunt him, but we're all haunted by one thing or another that might have caused us grief in or lives. The question is whether we learn and develop the strength to move past those things.
From what I read everyone is just convinced Don will lose the struggle with his demons. I'm not convinced it's that simple.
Yes, Don is seeing things that haunt him, but we're all haunted by one thing or another that might have caused us grief in or lives. The question is whether we learn and develop the strength to move past those things.
From what I read everyone is just convinced Don will lose the struggle with his demons. I'm not convinced it's that simple.
I'm surprised that no one has yet commented on what a big change there is in Don on one regard. When Betty wanted to go back to modeling, Don basically sabotaged it. Here he did the exact opposite and helped Megan towards her dream, even knowing it might mean she'd leave him, just like Peggy. That's a big step.
Exactly.
I like the complexity of the situation. He makes a pretty determined choice there not to repeat the mistakes he made with Betty, supporting Megan's career ambitions (after her mom basically says if he doesn't he's got a chance to have the wife he supposedly really wants). And it still ends up making him unhappy.
Don can't win for losing.
Don can't win for losing.
With two seasons remaining, assuming Weiner sticks to his word about not leaving the 60s, they can't skip 1968.
Sure he did. He realizes she'll never be happy unless she does it....but the problem is still with Don. His wives aren't the reason he cheats. He's the reason. He's never wholly satisfied. Okay, I made her happy by letting her go. She's going to "leave me" ie what he said to Peggy in the theater. He wasn't only talking about Peggy leaving her job at SCDP. He was talking about Megan. He loves her...but she's still leaving. It's justification in his mind. He's still a selfish man at heart.
We'll see.
Technically, the first year of any decade is not on the 0, it's on the 1. You need a year 0 to make it work, otherwise. 11 is the first number of the teens, not 10.
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Yeah, that's more or less what I was thinking.
The absence of a year 0 does disrupt the way we think of decades (though nobody really thinks in cultural terms that far back), but nonetheless, we don't think of 1990 as part of the 1980s, or 1970 as part of the 1960s. They're the first years of their respective decades.
Great season, I guess they have another Emmy in the bag.
I was waiting the whole episode for the big nude scene. I was expecting something a bit more shocking that Roger's scrawny bare butt. Does that sort of thing even merit a warning on basic cable anymore?
I was waiting the whole episode for the big nude scene. I was expecting something a bit more shocking that Roger's scrawny bare butt. Does that sort of thing even merit a warning on basic cable anymore?