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This has to be the single worst season on tv

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I can't find anything decent to watch. I started out sampling some seemingly promising new shows since most of the returning shows I long ago lost interest in because they were aging poorly(Supernatural). But after a few promising episodes I just couldn't finish out the season

Revenge not a very compelling soap and poorly plotted, the scheming not very inventive

Alcatraz was essentially a cop procedural

Terra Nova never could quite find its identity.

Grimm was pretty much a cross between a cop show and Buffy/Angel--neither which I cared for

Awake--boring

Missing--just another generic action conspiracy thriller on the small screen

Touch--another formulaic sappy series with a worn out "intertwined destiny" theme that thanks to LOST/Heroes/BSG really has grown old

About the only show I consistently enjoyed was Ringer yet I probably won't be upset if it doesn't return because if the last ten years has taught me anything is that those type of shows if they even manage to be even halfway decent out the gate can't sustain it passed year 1(hello Heroes, hello nBSG)

And while I appreciated the novelty of LOST in hindsight it was one of the worst things to happen to tv--ever since 2004 more and more shows want to copy its unique style--flashbacks, large unwieldy cast, interconnected stories, too much plot in an hour, dragging out unanswered questions frustrating the audience only to then never provide answers or satisfying ones making the audience wonder why they even introduced a complicated mythology into the mix to begin with. More and more characters are treated as plot devices and the casting in recent years in my opinion has been lacklustre. Writers are depending more and more on frenetic pacing, action, plot twists or wild cliffhangers--which I love--but they can't exist solely for pure instant gratification--they need to be a springbroad for more fully developed storylines.

After sampling and coming away disappointed from so many(Surface, Invasion, Lost, post S1 Heroes, Caprica, Kidnapped, Daybreak, Vanished, V, The Event, Flash Forward, Reunion, Caprica, Persons Unknown, The Nine, Alcatraz, Fringe, Revenge, Once Upon a Time, The Traveler, Damages, The River, Rubicon etc) I have decided no matter how intriguing any new fall 2012 shows maybe premise-wise if they sound like they are going to adopt this limited mystery show premise I'm skipping them altogether. They simply do not work

I think the main problem is the writers don't know how to be good writers so they think if they include all those superficial elements, incorporate ADD pacing and throw so much at you you'll not see the poor writing. I would love writers to slow down and actually start creating series with a more open generalized premise that can sustain good storytelling for years. And it doesn't need to be episodic.

Before LOST there were two decades worth of television that told serialized storylines--the key to their success in my opinion :a modest ensemble of 7-9 characters who were developed first, no games with the audience, straightforward linear storytelling, they effectively took two or three plot threads for a season, stuck with them and developed them for 20 episodes providing a nice payoff before starting up a new set of threads for the following season. They didn't frantically jump from scene to scene never giving the audience time to take it in. They didn't need to explain things off screen in recaps, questions & answers, podcasts or other supplemental materials the way LOST, Heroes or nBSG sometimes did. They didn't have a massive cast of characters where they were rotated out for episodes at a time and got lost in the mix. They answered the season's mysteries by the end. Character deaths were treated as special events back then not just as an expected item on a season checklist coming across more like an abrupt means to get rid of a character with not much of anything said afterwards.

SyFy programming has just gotten terrible, USA is nothing but really tired spy/cop shows(In Plain Sight, Burn Notice, Fairly Legal, Psych). CBS is nothing but plain vanilla cop shows and if that isn't enough they spawn more creating franchises. VH1 has becoming BET 2.0. MTV doesn't have VJs or play videos anymore--it is all about Jersey Shore repeats and pregnancies. CNN has Anderson Cooper and Piers Morgan as their talent--Yawn, I can't even watch MSNBC anymore.

Remakes are always pretty much horrible(MP 2.0, 90210 2.0, Knight Rider 2.0, Bionic Woman 2.0, Charlies Angels 2.0, Hawaii 5-0 2.0, Nikita 2.0, V 2.0 etc)--enough already.

I used to think I could never get tired of tv but I think I might be.
 
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I'm simply pointing out that LOST ushered in a style of storytelling that a lot of new tv shows over the years have copied and I don't think it was good for television.

I don't know how many writers have said they are trying to be like LOST or how many tv critics each season tells viewers "Could this be the next LOST?" And it is frankly undeniable that the style has influenced a lot of the tv landscape. The problem is that style just doesn't work.

It makes for very clunky stalled storytelling with bloated incoherent mythologies with a ton of deadends that only aggravate longtime viewers--I'd much rather have a more modest approach with fewer mysteries/questions that have clever definitive answers/payoffs figured out ahead of time that the writers resolve at the end of each season than a years long shell game--plus it would have to be easier for writers to cope with rather than some unwieldy behemoth.

LOST was very popular--no doubt--but after seeing that the writers had no idea of what they were doing in hindsight makes it a less enjoyable series since so much was pinned on how everything played out. But how many solid long running series that emulated its formula became good and endured for a few seasons? Heroes? It jumped the shark after S1. Invasion? Surface? Alcatraz? Threshold? V? The Event? The list could go on and on.

And I don't want studio executives to think that the public isn't interested in serialization. These programs didn't fail because of serialization I would argue but poor writing and a poor storytelling formula. DS9, Dallas, a lot of primetime soaps didn't have to rely on fast pacing, dense plotting, giving the audience quick flashes of a puzzle piece, MYTHOLOGIES they simply told linear serialized storylines without all the games that post-LOST writers seem to relish.
 
LOST was very popular--no doubt--but after seeing that the writers had no idea of what they were doing in hindsight makes it a less enjoyable series since so much was pinned on how everything played out. But how many solid long running series that emulated its formula became good and endured for a few seasons? Heroes? It jumped the shark after S1. Invasion? Surface? Alcatraz? Threshold? V? The Event? The list could go on and on.
So it's not the LOST's problem, it's a problem of other showrunners who tried to copy the formula without understanding how and why it worked. Copying without understanding is always a bad idea.
 
i'm actually with you on this...

i never watched Lost, so i can't blame anything on that, but so far, 2012 has been extremely lame for TV shows...

i can honestly think of 2, maybe 3 shows that have actually had a good run so far this year, the rest, either new starters or continued series, have been absolutely pathetic...

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My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic was great this season.
Futurama had a good season.

Other than that, I don't watch much television.
 
Criminal Minds has had an amazing season so far in 2012... Fringe has been pretty awesome as well... Big Bang Theory is still as hilarious as always... those are the only 3 that i think have actually kept me entertained this year...

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i tried enjoying series 7 of Supernatural, i really did... i just couldn't get on with it... it just seemed that after season 5, the writers jumped on the usual cleche that every badguy now for the series has to be more powerful than the previous season...

season 5 we had Lucifer, so then in season 6 we have Angel's trying to be Gods.... now in season 7 we have leviathons than apparently eat god's and demons for breakfast... just feels like the writers are just trying to push on and on with the boring bad guys and trying to make it more action packed and trite than usual...

If i was in control of Supernatural, after season 5, i would have taken Supernatural back to it's roots so to speak... after season 5 we knew that God wasn't in heaven anymore... so I would have taken Dean and Sam back on the road, back how it was in season 1 - 3, with them roaming the world, taking out normal demons and such on the way, while searching for God and trying to find answers... think that would have been much more enjoyable than them just going up against more and more powerful badguys every other week...

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I'm in the pro-serialization camp, but I agree with with the general argument about this past season. Not a single one of the freshman crop of shows has really captured my interest. I'm sticking with a few of them, but OUAT, Grimm, Awake etc. are only merely passable so far.

The one exception I would make is Homeland. That show is really good and got off to a great start.
 
I increasingly only watch TV for sports, documentaries and movies. Oh, and occasional reruns of sitcoms I like, if I happen to hop past them.

Otherwise, I've pretty much given up on TV. I don't have the patience/motivation to get invested in a serialised show, and there's very little good episodic drama left. There are maybe one or two scripted shows a year that I have any interest in watching, and they're frequently short runs rather than full seasons (eg Sherlock, though even that wasn't quite as good in its second batch of episodes as the first).

Having said all that, the provision of the 3 categories I do watch (sports, docus, movies) has got a lot better over the past 5+ years, so I think TV can still do some things very well. Sports coverage is more detailed and comprehensive, there are loads of really excellent docus, esp. on historical stuff (BBC4 is great for these), and the movie channels frequently have stuff I like. So it's not all bad. It's just the rest of TV programming that doesn't grab me anymore.
 
Wow, you could be my twin Holdfast. Sports, docos and reruns of shows that I loved as a kid - that's pretty much all I watch too.

Kudos to the op for watching so much TV. I don't think I could handle watching that many TV serieses.
 
i tried enjoying series 7 of Supernatural, i really did... i just couldn't get on with it... it just seemed that after season 5, the writers jumped on the usual cleche that every badguy now for the series has to be more powerful than the previous season...
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I know you didn't break forum rules but dude.. spoiling an entire show that's still running and some people, including me, haven't seen yet but plan to do so sometime is just... lacking style (to put it mildly).

There's a spoiler function here on the board.
 
there aren't any spoilers there... anything i directly commented on there happened over 6 months ago in the series...

pretty sure 6 months is long enough for it not to be considered a spoiler any more

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I'm still trying to figure out why I pay for cable. Everything I watch is on Netflix. I don't even have the cable box hooked up to my TV anymore.
 
LOST was very popular--no doubt--but after seeing that the writers had no idea of what they were doing in hindsight makes it a less enjoyable series since so much was pinned on how everything played out. But how many solid long running series that emulated its formula became good and endured for a few seasons? Heroes? It jumped the shark after S1. Invasion? Surface? Alcatraz? Threshold? V? The Event? The list could go on and on.
So it's not the LOST's problem, it's a problem of other showrunners who tried to copy the formula without understanding how and why it worked. Copying without understanding is always a bad idea.
LOST itself looking back didn't work either I'd argue--in the end the writers revealed they had no real idea how to payoff all these mysteries they had introduced and just basically threw their hands up and said the show really wasn't about the mythology. Moore said the same thing about BSG. Fine if you don't want to be burdened with a complicated mythology there is a simple solution don't include one but don't lead your audience to think it is important and invest their time in these mysteries/mythologies only to later realize it was one big MacGuffin. Alll it does is make a show more complicated than it needs to be and overshadows the characters.

There have been plenty of serialized dramas in the past that didn't need to spin dozens and dozens of mysteries to the point they become too much--they simply crafted season long arcs that weren't interconnected and told them in a straightforward manner without a lot of sleight of hand or confusing the audience constantly. They just started out with a much more open premise and thus were able to craft storylines that weren't necessarily centrally tied to a very narrow premise. And they also didn't have to drag things out because all their storylines were so enmeshed in each other--one of the problems with LOST I had was that because everything was interconnected the writers had to drag things out because if they answered one thread it would spoil other things to come.
 
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Chuck had a fun final season and a great planned series finale. Parks and Recreation continues to make me laugh in ways no sitcom has since Arrested Development. And even if the story and characters were overly simplistic and lame, Terra Nova at least got in a cool CGI dino or two before being canceled.

Overall, I'm not complaining.
 
I increasingly only watch TV for sports, documentaries and movies. Oh, and occasional reruns of sitcoms I like, if I happen to hop past them.

I think that's why I love Sports so much. It's the ultimate in not only reality TV, but serialization TV. You've got ongoing storylines, everything is unpredictable, and you do know that while there is a huge ending at the end of the season, every game has it's own unique and interesting ending, some more than others.

All these shows that have ongoing storyarcs come down to one big problem. They don't know how to end. I mean look at a show like Alcatraz. They have this interesting arc but when we get to the finale, it's a predictable cliffhanger and more questions arise than answers. I saw the same thing with Battlestar Galactica and it was a big reason I don't go gaga over the show like other people do.

I still watch a few shows (The HBO Sunday Line-up which is pretty good, 30 Rock and Parks and Recreation and Glee) but right now it's all about the Stanley Cup Playoffs, MLB, and this week, the Kentucky Derby. Give me all that and I'm happy.
 
I increasingly only watch TV for sports, documentaries and movies. Oh, and occasional reruns of sitcoms I like, if I happen to hop past them.

I think that's why I love Sports so much. It's the ultimate in not only reality TV, but serialization TV. You've got ongoing storylines, everything is unpredictable, and you do know that while there is a huge ending at the end of the season, every game has it's own unique and interesting ending, some more than others.

That's a great way to conceptualise it; I never quite formalised it that way but it makes sense. :cool:
 
I increasingly only watch TV for sports, documentaries and movies. Oh, and occasional reruns of sitcoms I like, if I happen to hop past them.
If they ever made a second series of The High Life you'd watch it, I'll be bound. And so would I.

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On broadcast, yes, it's horrible. :rommie: Thank goodness for cable, or else I might as well put my TV on the sidewalk and let the garbagemen haul it away.

Plenty of good stuff on cable - Boardwalk Empire, The Walking Dead, Justified and American Horror Story are my current favorites. I've even started to warm up again to Mad Men.

On broadcast:

Grimm - The only show I really look forward to on broadcast. It's shaped up very well, and successfully transcended its tired MOTW origins.

Once Upon a Time - It's lively, visually interesting, imaginative and has some cool characters, but also too predictable, sometimes very corny, and it isn't gelling yet. A big problem is that the main character is still clueless. Having to suffer for a whole season, waiting for Emma to catch up to where the audience has been since Day One is a drag. Hopefully this problem will be solved in the season finale. It better not continue into S2.

Smash - Another one that's on probation pending big second season changes which had better be in the offing, because it's going badly off the rails. A change in showrunner may help - if not, I'll bail quick next season.

Awake
- The premise is intriguing but the cop show stuff has been too dominant and it's going to be cancelled before we find out anything, anyway. My motive to watch my queued up episodes is slipping fast.
 
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