GemHaters
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Someone I know suggested getting a hold of every tv show and movie Jeffrey Combs has ever done and watch them all in succession. I think that's the best idea yet. lol.
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Someone I know suggested getting a hold of every tv show and movie Jeffrey Combs has ever done and watch them all in succession. I think that's the best idea yet. lol.
I'd have to agree with that one. I just caught his first appearance on DS9 as Tiron. Loved that angle of him wanting a holosuite program of Kira.
Don't let the naysayers scare you. Try to be as objective as possible. Don't let the glory of DS9 overshadow your experience.
Remember, that the first 2 seasons basically suck, and the 3rd one is marginally better. After that, the series starts to hit its stride. You'll hate some episodes but thoroughly enjoy others. Take it as it comes. It's Star Trek. And, from your perspective, it's NEW MATERIAL. Wow, what I'd give to be able to watch new episodes.
True !
I'd like some new Trek even if it's not great, but I watched Voyager when it was first shown...
(Count Zero, I seem to remember that ENT is your favorite? That's the only Trek I gave up on. So you never can tell!
It seems that there is some sort of exclusivety to these two shows, i.e. ENT fans tend to dislike VOY and vice-versa. This is a totally subjective theory on my part based on my experiences.
I hope I didn't step on anyone's toes with my first post. It was just a joke and my personal opinion. I know what it's like being a fan of an unpopular Trek show, as JustKate pointed out.
You didn't offend me, that's for sure. As for your theory, there may be something in it, but we must remember that some people think that "nobody" likes both Star Trek and Star Wars, and that is clearly an overgeneralization. That said, there may be something in it - particularly when it comes to comparing those whose favorite Trek is ENT and those whose favorite Trek is VOY.
(Which isn't me, BTW. I like VOY, but it's not my favorite.)
You know what? I think I'm going to go get myself a beer. I'm fresh out of Romulan ale, alas...
(Count Zero, I seem to remember that ENT is your favorite? That's the only Trek I gave up on. So you never can tell!
It seems that there is some sort of exclusivety to these two shows, i.e. ENT fans tend to dislike VOY and vice-versa. This is a totally subjective theory on my part based on my experiences.
I adore them both. The only reason I don't post as much in the ENT forum is it seems to have lost some of the fun it had in the past, though I think there are some newer posters there livening it up.
I also adore DS9 and have watched it all the way through at least 4 times. They are all different. I love DS9 for the politics and religion and story arcs, and I'm particularly fond of it being on a Space Station. I like the feel of it, the miniature city that exists within the transitional space of a busy port. I'd love any new series of Trek to be space station based rather than story of the week exploring.
I love Voyager for the Big 3, Janeway, 7 and The Doctor. I love it for the comedy, it's the most humorous Trek and Mulgrew and Picardo in particular inject a lot of humor into their delivery. 7 is my favorite Trek character and I relate to her personal struggles and her character development, much the way many related to Spock. Some of VOY is cheesy and I thoroughly enjoy it, it does cheesy so well. Janeway's warmth and the way she woos her crew in every exchange is like some special in joke shared between friends for the viewer. She's a very interesting Captain.
I love Enterprise for T'Pol's flawed Vulcan character, for Soval who I think is a terrific character and my favorite Vulcan ever. For the submarine feel of the NX-01, like DS9 this setting seems to be a character in itself which you don't get with the other shows. Malcolm Reed is a fantastic understated study in repression who has grown on me with each rewatch. And of course Season 3 is helluva ride, one long story arc. Season 4 is IMHO the best Trek has to offer. I put off watching ENT and when I took the plunge and got to season 4 I remember being just.. THRILLED that after all these decades of this franchise there was this incredible Trek to enjoy.
Ah well, there are exceptions to every rule.
But that's what I like about it. It's so difficult to find examples of normal life in The Utopia. Voyager offered a lot of insight into that. Janeway was more or less a normal captain god forbid.
I always thought that DS9 offered a better look at normal life, being station based they have a large community on hand to use.
I wanted VOY to have it rough. It's one ship, alone in the DQ (which is apparantly very hostile), it's not even the biggest or strongest ship available, with only around 150 people onboard, minimal resources and facing 75 years in the unknown before they get home. To me all of that screams: "This will be tough, the crew will be pushed to breaking point, morale will be low, the tensions between Starfleeters and Maquis will make things even harder for them (to begin with anyways), the ship may not make it through in one piece, they'll have to make sure they establish good relations with natives in order to get the bare essentials to survive in the wilderness."
It should have been more of a hard slog in order for them to get home, but instead thanks to tachyon pulses, shuttle fairies, the magically replenishing photon torpedoes, and of course the all important unending supply of replicator rations, it was a bit of a cakewalk.
But that's always been my thoughts on the show.
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I feel very similarly about VOY. It should have been more visceral and quite a bit more dark. Instead, we saw many "TNG clean and happy" episodes, as if they were out on a day's journey from the nearest starbase. "Year of Hell" was such a welcomed double-episode. It kind of gave an extreme version of dark & dirty. The ship gets beat up, and guess what? It's still beat up the next time you see it. Repairs are finished when things are functional again, not refreshed to as-new condition. After all, they don't have all the time in the world to make it all pretty.
Actually, if there's one thing that would've helped explain the cleanliness, it would've been "sanibots". Small robots devoted to sanitizing duties. When the crew is trotting down the corridors, every once in a while you see a sanibot doing it's work. Sometimes the sanibot would be vacuuming the center of the corridor and sensing the approaching people, would dart out of the way then return once the people have passed. Yeah, it would've added to the cost, but it certainly would help explain why everything looks so damned neat all the time.
I agree with this, except I was turned off by DS9. In all these years, I never watch more than a handful of episodes, and I had no interest in watching anymore.Don't let the naysayers scare you. Try to be as objective as possible. Don't let the glory of DS9 overshadow your experience.
Remember, that the first 2 seasons basically suck, and the 3rd one is marginally better. After that, the series starts to hit its stride. You'll hate some episodes but thoroughly enjoy others. Take it as it comes. It's Star Trek. And, from your perspective, it's NEW MATERIAL. Wow, what I'd give to be able to watch new episodes.
Then it became available on Netflix and I decided to give it another try. After a while, I began looking forward to, as you said, NEW MATERIAL! And by the end of the series I found that I loved it.
I'm re-watching Voyager on Netflix now, and I still like it, too. I say go for it!
I don't think anyone really knows what they would do with their last six months (or in other extreme situations) until they've actually been confronted with the situation. If you want to watch Voyager, go right ahead. I hope you enjoy every minute of it -- and then get well and enjoy all the series a few more times over the years.
I watched the first season of voyager then for the only time in my entire life I stopped watching trek till I forced myself to watch the last half of the last season. And I only did that out of some sort of trek loyalty
A couple years ago though I watched all of ds9 through and cannot tell you how wonderful it was to watch new trek. I am currently on a quest to watch all trek in order from tos to ent and am looking forward to voyager with equal parts hope and dread. Dread because it bored me to the point where I stopped watching all trek. Hope because it is mostly new trek for me and some people seem to like it
good luck with it.
A couple years ago though I watched all of ds9 through and cannot tell you how wonderful it was to watch new trek. I am currently on a quest to watch all trek in order from tos to ent and am looking forward to voyager with equal parts hope and dread. Dread because it bored me to the point where I stopped watching all trek. Hope because it is mostly new trek for me and some people seem to like it
good luck with it.
Not in my book. Glad we can all have opinions
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I haven't seen Voyager and don't plan to any time soon. But what you said above, I can say about DS9. Sisko is the character who keeps me away from the show. He's just so annoying and tries to push his "blackness" to the fore every time. It's like he's trying to compensate for something. Brooks also overacts his role. He just puts me off the show.I hope you don't take this the wrong way but if I had only six more months to live I wouldn't waste it with Voyager.
The Problem with VOY, the biggest problem, was that the show didn't really have a plot.
The whole "Lost from home" thing is not a sustainable plot on it's own for more than 1-2 seasons at most. Beyond that, you need something more to drive the series.
Every other "Lost Ship" series in the last 30 years worth watching had a plot beyond "Lost Ship going somewhere":
Blakes' 7: The plot was their struggle against the Terran Federation, not random adventures of guys on a Super-Alien-Warship.
Farscape: The Peacekeeper/Scarran/Wormhole plotline gradually took over the show after S1.
NuBSG: The series was about a mobile civilization and how an entire civilization must survive in these conditions, not just one tiny scout ship.
It didn't help that VOY's plot was something both TOS and TNG did before, except they did theirs much faster ("Where No Man Has Gone Before" and "Where No One Has Gone Before").
The whole "Lost from home" thing is not a sustainable plot on it's own for more than 1-2 seasons at most. Beyond that, you need something more to drive the series.
Every other "Lost Ship" series in the last 30 years worth watching had a plot beyond "Lost Ship going somewhere":
Blakes' 7: The plot was their struggle against the Terran Federation, not random adventures of guys on a Super-Alien-Warship.
Farscape: The Peacekeeper/Scarran/Wormhole plotline gradually took over the show after S1.
NuBSG: The series was about a mobile civilization and how an entire civilization must survive in these conditions, not just one tiny scout ship.
It didn't help that VOY's plot was something both TOS and TNG did before, except they did theirs much faster ("Where No Man Has Gone Before" and "Where No One Has Gone Before").
When compared to DS9 I hated Voyager. When compared to what I thought they should have done with the show I hated Voyager. But when I simply let Voyager be Voyager I came to find that it wasn't all that bad. My advice is really to take each episode on its own merits and not worry about over arching continuity, character, or plot development. While there are many craptastic episodes, there are also many that are not only great Trek, but just plain great Sci-Fi.
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