Non Federation Human colonies?

[GalaxyClass1701]

Are there any novels that focus on human colonies that are not part of the Federation?

I remember one of the DS9 novels mentioning one that fought off The Dominion but are there any novels that focus on one?

Also one of the Vangard novels had one.

If not I'd love to see one.

 

[Relayer1]

The Last Roundup features an independant colony.

It's not very good though...

 

[PKS8304]

An old TNG novel (I think #2 actually) called "Children of Hamlin" sort of dealt with that topic.

I will let you read it to see what I mean.

 

[Sci]

Gateways: Demons of Air and Darkness deals with the DS9 crew rescuing the inhabitants of an independent Human colony.

 

[tomswift2002]

"Mission To Horatius" has Kik and crew visiting three human colonies that are not part of the Federation (not too mention that each one was setup because the founders wanted to experience life at a different level of technological development).

 

[vegaslover62]

The New Earth mini-series showed Kirk's pre TWOK Enterprise crew establishing a human colony that planned to split from the Federation.

However, the third book, Rough Trails, was so slow it had to fight for my attention.

The Gateways book Chainmail also featured this colony.

 

[SicOne]

The New Earth mini-series showed Kirk's pre TWOK Enterprise crew establishing a human colony that planned to split from the Federation.

However, the third book, Rough Trails, was so slow it had to fight for my attention.

The Gateways book Chainmail also featured this colony.

When does the Gateways book take place vis-a-vis the events of the New Earth miniseries?

 

[James Cole]

The New Earth mini-series showed Kirk's pre TWOK Enterprise crew establishing a human colony that planned to split from the Federation.

However, the third book, Rough Trails, was so slow it had to fight for my attention.

The Gateways book Chainmail also featured this colony.

When does the Gateways book take place vis-a-vis the events of the New Earth miniseries?

If I remember correctly, months after book 6 Challenger.

Another book that deal with non Federation colonies includes Double Helix #1: Infection. TNG Gulliver's Fugitives deals with a lost human colony with late 21st century technology. TNG Here There Be Dragons also has independent humans, but it's been like 15 years since I read that one.

 

[USS Fardell]

TNG Here There Be Dragons also has independent humans, but it's been like 15 years since I read that one.

Preservers had taken a German village in the middle ages and placed it on a planet in a nebula.

 

[Christopher]

Dragon's Honor by Kij Johnson and Greg Cox features an independent human colony of Chinese origin, which is a refreshing change from the usual overwhelming Western-ness of Trek humanity.

 

[SicOne]

The New Earth mini-series showed Kirk's pre TWOK Enterprise crew establishing a human colony that planned to split from the Federation.

However, the third book, Rough Trails, was so slow it had to fight for my attention.

The Gateways book Chainmail also featured this colony.

When does the Gateways book take place vis-a-vis the events of the New Earth miniseries?

If I remember correctly, months after book 6 Challenger.

Another book that deal with non Federation colonies includes Double Helix #1: Infection. TNG Gulliver's Fugitives deals with a lost human colony with late 21st century technology. TNG Here There Be Dragons also has independent humans, but it's been like 15 years since I read that one.

Thanks!

 

[Yevetha]

Was Turkana 4 in the federation?

 

[Sjaddix]

Why would anyone want to join a non federation human colony? I mean the Maquis at least had border dispute reasons but seems like going solo is just asking to get defeated.

 

[Sci]

Why would anyone want to join a non federation human colony?

Presumably, for the same reason anyone might want to live on a non-Federation world: Because they don't want to be Federation citizens or live under the authority of the Federation government.

I mean the Maquis at least had border dispute reasons but seems like going solo is just asking to get defeated.

Defeated by....?

 

[James Cole]

Was Turkana 4 in the federation?

It was described as a "failed colony." This is what Memory Alpha has on it.

Most likely it was independent, otherwise Starfleet would have (hopefully) intervened to prevent a local civil war.

If a civil conflict broke out in say California, the US federal government would intervene, like what happened during the Rodney King riots, let alone if a local government collapsed.

Then again, in some cases a responsible government doesn't intervene in a civil conflict, like what happened when several colonies were preparing for independence without a de jure government being set up for succession, like Angola and East Timor in the 1970's. Then you have the Rhodesia/Zimbabwe conflict, where the UK applied sanctions but didn't intervene militarily despite having sovereignty over Rhodesia, which had declared independence unilaterally. But that's a very odd outlier.

 

[James Cole]

Why would anyone want to join a non federation human colony? I mean the Maquis at least had border dispute reasons but seems like going solo is just asking to get defeated.

Unless World War III truly scrambled Earth as we know it, people that would want to live in a libertarian utopia, a religious theocracy, Terra Prime-types that want nothing to do with aliens, cults, the "Fox News" planet, people from small minority groups that fear their language/culture would disappear, Firefly type browncoats that just want to do their own thing, etc.

If located relevantly close to Earth, these colonies could then free ride on Starfleet to defend them from external threats, but not shore up a government in an internal conflict. This could be one reason humanity seems so homogenous politically in the 24th century.

Just imagine in 200 years that if even hundreds of people agreed with you on something, you could start your own colony and have an entire planet to yourself.

 

[CaptainDonovin]

Why would anyone want to join a non federation human colony?

Presumably, for the same reason anyone might want to live on a non-Federation world: Because they don't want to be Federation citizens or live under the authority of the Federation government.

I mean the Maquis at least had border dispute reasons but seems like going solo is just asking to get defeated.

Defeated by....?

I thought there was a scene in Voyager that established the Maquis were wiped out by the Cardassians/Dominion.

 

[Christopher]

But the question isn't who defeated the Maquis, it's who Sjaddix imagines would be lying in wait to "defeat" any random nonaffiliated colony.

 

[Keturah]

I may be recalling this incorrectly, but I believe the TNG novel Masks was about a human-decended colony.

 

[Sjaddix]

But the question isn't who defeated the Maquis, it's who Sjaddix imagines would be lying in wait to "defeat" any random nonaffiliated colony.

Any other power who decides they want that territory.