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^On the other hand, "artistic" and "literary" writers who decide to tackle genre fiction usually end up rehashing elementary tropes that the genre writers developed fully and grew beyond decades before, because the outsiders don't realize how much the genre writers have already accomplished.

I think an 'us' and 'them' dualism was not what I intended, though certainly possessiveness and hostility permeate between 'genre' and so-called 'artistic' media within literature and wider culture. However it shouldn't dominate any debate, since it entrenches discussion.

Anyway, I did not intend to suggest that genre fictions need to benefit from outside, established writers, as such, but rather that the edifice itself of genre has successfully pushed away artistically capable authors in their infancy - if that makes sense?

I was once at a book fair seated next to a guy who was so proud of this novel he'd written that was a social allegory about how he thought society would realistically develop in the future as an extension of current social trends and problems, talking about it as though it was an innovative, visionary work, and I didn't have the heart to tell him that his predictions were tired, elementary cliches that SF readers have seen dozens of times over the decades, like corporations taking over and resources becoming scarce.

And arguably it is not just relevant social critique that would have been required to make his work 'artistic'. And as I stated, an awareness of a media or genre's history is important to reaching an artistic product. He could hypothetically have applied something personal to the work that could elevate it to 'artistic'?

But importantly, radical artistic genius is not a precondition of 'art', if we are to admire, for example, pre-Renaissance artistic output, or the current explosion of retro-cultures as art? Throughout much of human history replication was a vital component of artistic output, with the singular break-away more a Romantic and post-Romantic celebration of individuality.
 
One must also take into consideration that TV shows and books that are highly formulaic are made for the lowest common denominator viewer/reader. I'll take an educated guess that the people reading the MSW books are the older women that watched the shows and younger women who are stay-at-home moms and watch/ed the reruns. MSW books are probably the mystery equivalent of Mills and Boon.

Okay, I gotta object to the idea that somehow mystery tie-ins appeal more to the "lowest common denominator" than, say, science fiction tie-in novels. That's just genre snobbery. And since when are older women and stay-at-home moms somehow considered less demanding readers than, say, Trekkies? (Never mind that I've met plenty of older women and moms who devour Trek books--and even write them on occasion!)

Having written both, I can certainly testify that mysteries aren't any easier to write than sf or fantasy books.
Greg, I did not say that mystery tie-ins appeal more to the LCD than SFF-tie-ins, I said that specifically MSW did. Mills and Boon books are full of tired romantic cliches rehashed endlessly by an endless stream of writers, and yet their readers continue devouring them. Watching a great many episodes of MSW taught me that the same is true of that particular series, tired cliches and simple plots. I've read three MSW books and the same held true, IMHO, for them.

I've read all of the CSI books (from all three series), and watched CSI until 2 years ago when I moved over to the US (meaning that I skipped a half-season or more because of the lag time between airing in the US and Britain) but I have dipped in and out since then. The series has, to my mind, fallen into the trap of being formulaic without changing it up, just like Law and Order did. The books, on the other hand, actually teach me something as each one seems to be set around a new subject and I find that it draws me in more, whereas the series no longer does.

To your other points, Greg, older women are generally less demanding readers (obviously there are exceptions) as they stay in their small little niche and read every book in it and little else besides. An example, my grandmother reads Danielle Steele and that's all she reads. She has not read a book by another author in the last 30 some years. I know several older women like that, and I know a handful who are more discerning, but they are of a slightly younger age. Women aged 80 or over tend to stick with books from a single author, or of a certain niche genre (cozy mysteries for example) whereas women between 50 and 80, or thereabouts, are more discerning but starting to drift into that single author/niche mentality.

That's been my experience but please correct me if I'm wrong. It may be genre snobbery, but I'm not looking down on anyone. Being a writer is a difficult job, nigh impossible most of the time, and yet thousands of people do well enough to make a living or supplemental income from it. Just because I don't like Donald Bain's writing, that doesn't mean I'm denigrating it, I'm just saying that it caters to a specific demographic, which is why it does so well.

If I'm digging myself a deeper hole, then so be it.
 
^On the other hand, "artistic" and "literary" writers who decide to tackle genre fiction usually end up rehashing elementary tropes [...]

An academic you might be interested in following is Dr Sarah Dillon at St Andrews in Scotland. She is a contemporary literature scholar who was working in part on the absorption of traditional genre elements by mainstream authors, and either has or will publish on this material. She co-edits C21: Journal of Twenty-First Century Writing, in which genre is covered.

And a wonderful book on science fiction literary theory is Fredric Jameson's Archaeologies of the Future: the desire called Utopia and other Science-Fictions. It's a wonderful book by a critic with a long association with SF literature, though I find him somewhat entrenched in his views.
 
I just think it's a load of crap to say that some kinds of creativity have more right to be called "artistic" than others. That's a judgment made by the critics of a given generation based on their own prejudices and elitism, but the judgment of history is often very different, with the admired "artistic" creations being forgotten while the more "lowbrow" pop-culture stuff lives on through the ages and influences minds for generations to come.

See, the thing is, "classy" creations are tailored to the attitudes and preferences of a given time and subculture, generally the social elites of a given era. But cultures change over time, so something tailored to one culture in one era may be difficult for people in other cultures and eras to relate to. But the pop-culture stuff derided by critics has a more fundamental, universal appeal, and is thus more likely to survive through the ages. At least, that's my interpretation.
 
I guess I've just seen too many people dismiss all science fiction (or horror movies or comics or whatever) as junk to be comfortable when I see sf enthusiasts doing the same thing to mysteries or westerns or whatever. I'm not an expert on historical romance novels, but I'm willing to bet that that some of them are the cream of the crop, some are just enjoyable page-turners, and others are considered the bottom of the barrell even by romance fans. But lumping them all together would be like lumping Watchmen and Richie Rich together and claiming that all comics books are juvenile trash.

Few things are more ironic than watching sf fans sneer at mystery fans . . . .
 
To your other points, Greg, older women are generally less demanding readers (obviously there are exceptions) as they stay in their small little niche and read every book in it and little else besides. An example, my grandmother reads Danielle Steele and that's all she reads. She has not read a book by another author in the last 30 some years. I know several older women like that, and I know a handful who are more discerning, but they are of a slightly younger age. Women aged 80 or over tend to stick with books from a single author, or of a certain niche genre (cozy mysteries for example) whereas women between 50 and 80, or thereabouts, are more discerning but starting to drift into that single author/niche mentality.

That's been my experience but please correct me if I'm wrong.

One person's anecdotal experience with his own acquaintances is very, very far from being a statistically representative sample, so yes, it is wrong to generalize from that.
 
This is not a fully-developed hypothesis, and I don't know if I ACTUALLY believe it. But I do sometimes suspect that the real difference between "literary" or "artistic" works ("high-brow") and genre works is that the former has the approval of, and provides rhetorical justification for and/or for the inevitability of the dominance of, society's power elite -- the people who directly control society, and the classes who gain power from the people who control society.
 
I've heard, and tend to agree with, an argument that the distinction between "literary" and "genre" fiction is spurious because "literary fiction" is itself a distinct genre with its own finite range of tropes and stylistic conventions. And from what I've read of the kind of SF stories that bill themselves as "literary" (and yes, there are quite a bunch of those now), it seems to me that that particular genre seems to be mainly about avoiding or subverting the basics of telling a clear, comprehensible story with a beginning, middle, and end. I mean, I'm all for exploring character and emotion and philosophical questions and such, but I also like clarity and resolution. (But then, I don't get most poetry either, so what do I know?)
 
This is not a fully-developed hypothesis, and I don't know if I ACTUALLY believe it. But I do sometimes suspect that the real difference between "literary" or "artistic" works ("high-brow") and genre works is that the former has the approval of, and provides rhetorical justification for and/or for the inevitability of the dominance of, society's power elite -- the people who directly control society, and the classes who gain power from the people who control society.

How many poets provide support for a controlling elite? How do Zadie Smith or Toni Morrisson or Iain Banks provide rhetorical justification for today's elites, when indeed they provide typical or non-typical challenges to it? What about Wilfred Owen, James Joyce, TS Elliot or Virginia Woolf from the past century, each challenging orthodoxies and prevailing ideologies. From further back, what about Mark Twain, Alexander Pope, Shakespeare, David Lyndsey, John Gower, and so on....

Of course high art can justify contemporary elites, and that is fine too. Indeed some of the contemporary authors above present dominant conservative left-wing positions and perhaps also the cultural nihilism that are part of western society today.
 
This is not a fully-developed hypothesis, and I don't know if I ACTUALLY believe it. But I do sometimes suspect that the real difference between "literary" or "artistic" works ("high-brow") and genre works is that the former has the approval of, and provides rhetorical justification for and/or for the inevitability of the dominance of, society's power elite -- the people who directly control society, and the classes who gain power from the people who control society.

I've heard, and tend to agree with, an argument that the distinction between "literary" and "genre" fiction is spurious because "literary fiction" is itself a distinct genre with its own finite range of tropes and stylistic conventions. And from what I've read of the kind of SF stories that bill themselves as "literary" (and yes, there are quite a bunch of those now), it seems to me that that particular genre seems to be mainly about avoiding or subverting the basics of telling a clear, comprehensible story with a beginning, middle, and end. I mean, I'm all for exploring character and emotion and philosophical questions and such, but I also like clarity and resolution. (But then, I don't get most poetry either, so what do I know?)

Did you not know that clarity and an end to the narrative are conservative rhetorical positions that justify the status quo? ;)
 
This is not a fully-developed hypothesis, and I don't know if I ACTUALLY believe it. But I do sometimes suspect that the real difference between "literary" or "artistic" works ("high-brow") and genre works is that the former has the approval of, and provides rhetorical justification for and/or for the inevitability of the dominance of, society's power elite -- the people who directly control society, and the classes who gain power from the people who control society.

How many poets provide support for a controlling elite? How do Zadie Smith or Toni Morrisson or Iain Banks provide rhetorical justification for today's elites, when indeed they provide typical or non-typical challenges to it? What about Wilfred Owen, James Joyce, TS Elliot or Virginia Woolf from the past century, each challenging orthodoxies and prevailing ideologies. From further back, what about Mark Twain, Alexander Pope, Shakespeare, David Lyndsey, John Gower, and so on....

Valid points, and that's why I said I don't know if I actually believe that. It's a suspicion, and I'm not sure how accurate it is. How many of those people were outliers amongst the group we call "literary?" What rhetorical and political goals do most such "literary" authors serve?

But I also think that your examples raise some interesting questions: What constitutes a "literary" or "high-brow" writer, anyway? Iain Banks, for instance, is a famous science fiction writer. Is a writer whose works focus on ethnic minorities (someone like Toni Morrison or Amy Tan) part of that circle we call the "literary elite?"

I will, however, note one thing:

Shakespeare was all about justifying the authority and power of monarchs, and specifically of the ruling monarchs of his life. In his histories, he deliberately portrayed the ancestors of Elizabeth I and James I in very positive ways, and portrayed their ancestors' enemies in very negative lights. And that's to say nothing of his endorsement of things like male supremacy in The Taming of the Shrew. Shakespeare's art certainly supported the existing power structures of early modern England. But, by the same token -- he was not considered a "literary" author in his era. Shakespeare's plays were considered the popular, somewhat vulgar, entertainment of their day; it wasn't until centuries after his death that he became so venerated.

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Sci-fi author David Brin has often argued that the essential difference between science fiction and fantasy is that science fiction is predicated on the assumption that society can change, that progress is possible, and that humanity is not trapped in an endless cycle of repeating the social patterns that have taken hold in human societies throughout history -- and that even when sci-fi depicts future cultures that do fall into those patterns, the tragedy lies in the fact that such a situation was not inevitable; but that fantasy, he argues, is implicitly based on the idea that human society cannot fundamentally change, that old patterns of social organization will always reassert themselves, that human nature cannot overcome the impulses towards extreme inequality, a sort of longing for feudalism. I sometimes wonder if this is not true of much "literary" fiction -- that there's a fundamental assumption of the inevitability of inequality, of the way power is distributed in this country -- even if that fiction laments such inevitability. I don't know if this is the case, but the disdain I often encounter from people who prefer more "literary" works over science fiction works' idea that society can fundamentally change often strikes me.
 
Part of the problem here, in my view, is deciding just what is a "dominant" position and what isn't. Personally, I often find works that other people promote as challenging and subversive to be ultra-conservative and reinforcing, at least from where I'm viewing them. Because either I'm viewing from a different angle than the one they're hitting, or what they claim to be challenging doesn't ring true to me as an actual entrenched position. So much is open to perspective. And I'm aware of how easily a society constructs an account of its own ideological reality and ideological history that might not truly resemble how things are or were. People like to believe or claim that they have power or influence, or that they don't, or that other people do, or don't, and they have so many reasons for knowingly or unknowingly constructing different social realities over the actual circumstances. I often think it's best to avoid the quagmire entirely.

I also think part of the issue is the widely accepted (and here I go with my own assumptions as to what's ascendant and what isn't ;)) idea that "progressive" is both a virtue and an underdog, meaning that pretty much any ideological position imaginable likes to present itself as avoiding or transcending a supposed entrenched normality, at least in terms of "power" and "power structures". Talking about ideologies that justify the "power elite" isn't, to my mind, very useful, because people won't agree where that power lies. Power is a bit like blame - it's a hot potato that gets thrown around - only it's a potato that, in this case, is also supposedly valuable. "Power" sems to be promoted as desirable and an end in itself, but also everyone wants to ensure they aren't seen as holding it, because "power" is also now a negative thing that marks those holding it as the supposed villains. So everyone wants to have it while making sure they don't look like they have it. And like blame, which is pointless, I think that whether or not a given literary work supports, justifies or challenges the supposed power structure isn't really of much importance at all.

Personally, I'd prefer if literature (or literary criticism at least) didn't concern itself so much with how subversive or conservative a work is. For one thing, from my perspective it's pretty much all "too conservative".
 
One must also take into consideration that TV shows and books that are highly formulaic are made for the lowest common denominator viewer/reader. I'll take an educated guess that the people reading the MSW books are the older women that watched the shows and younger women who are stay-at-home moms and watch/ed the reruns. MSW books are probably the mystery equivalent of Mills and Boon.

Okay, I gotta object to the idea that somehow mystery tie-ins appeal more to the "lowest common denominator" than, say, science fiction tie-in novels. That's just genre snobbery. And since when are older women and stay-at-home moms somehow considered less demanding readers than, say, Trekkies? (Never mind that I've met plenty of older women and moms who devour Trek books--and even write them on occasion!)

Having written both, I can certainly testify that mysteries aren't any easier to write than sf or fantasy books.
Greg, I did not say that mystery tie-ins appeal more to the LCD than SFF-tie-ins, I said that specifically MSW did. Mills and Boon books are full of tired romantic cliches rehashed endlessly by an endless stream of writers, and yet their readers continue devouring them. Watching a great many episodes of MSW taught me that the same is true of that particular series, tired cliches and simple plots. I've read three MSW books and the same held true, IMHO, for them.

I've read all of the CSI books (from all three series), and watched CSI until 2 years ago when I moved over to the US (meaning that I skipped a half-season or more because of the lag time between airing in the US and Britain) but I have dipped in and out since then. The series has, to my mind, fallen into the trap of being formulaic without changing it up, just like Law and Order did. The books, on the other hand, actually teach me something as each one seems to be set around a new subject and I find that it draws me in more, whereas the series no longer does.

To your other points, Greg, older women are generally less demanding readers (obviously there are exceptions) as they stay in their small little niche and read every book in it and little else besides. An example, my grandmother reads Danielle Steele and that's all she reads. She has not read a book by another author in the last 30 some years. I know several older women like that, and I know a handful who are more discerning, but they are of a slightly younger age. Women aged 80 or over tend to stick with books from a single author, or of a certain niche genre (cozy mysteries for example) whereas women between 50 and 80, or thereabouts, are more discerning but starting to drift into that single author/niche mentality.

That's been my experience but please correct me if I'm wrong. It may be genre snobbery, but I'm not looking down on anyone. Being a writer is a difficult job, nigh impossible most of the time, and yet thousands of people do well enough to make a living or supplemental income from it. Just because I don't like Donald Bain's writing, that doesn't mean I'm denigrating it, I'm just saying that it caters to a specific demographic, which is why it does so well.

If I'm digging myself a deeper hole, then so be it.

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Greg, I read mystery tie-ins, sf tie-ins, regular mystery and regular sf, and a whole bunch of other stuff so I'm not dismissing other genres as junk. All I'm saying is that the MSW books are highly formulaic and a specific demographic reads them, just as could be said for the CSI novels, or Star Trek novels, or Star Wars, Marvel, World of Warcraft, and so on.

My personal belief is that for a tie-in line to be successful past the end of the show that spawned it, the line must become diverse and not stay in the same formula as the show. Obviously that is not true of MSW but that can be explained away by the fact that the show's fans enjoy the formulaic nature of any given series and the writers cater to that.

If Star Trek novels were still written in the same way as they were 20 years ago, I doubt the line would be anywhere near as successful as it currently is. I'm surprised that the MSW books are still being churned out but that's just IDIC.
 
This is not a fully-developed hypothesis, and I don't know if I ACTUALLY believe it. But I do sometimes suspect that the real difference between "literary" or "artistic" works ("high-brow") and genre works is that the former has the approval of, and provides rhetorical justification for and/or for the inevitability of the dominance of, society's power elite -- the people who directly control society, and the classes who gain power from the people who control society.

How many poets provide support for a controlling elite? How do Zadie Smith or Toni Morrisson or Iain Banks provide rhetorical justification for today's elites, when indeed they provide typical or non-typical challenges to it? What about Wilfred Owen, James Joyce, TS Elliot or Virginia Woolf from the past century, each challenging orthodoxies and prevailing ideologies. From further back, what about Mark Twain, Alexander Pope, Shakespeare, David Lyndsey, John Gower, and so on....

Valid points, and that's why I said I don't know if I actually believe that. It's a suspicion, and I'm not sure how accurate it is. How many of those people were outliers amongst the group we call "literary?" What rhetorical and political goals do most such "literary" authors serve?

But I also think that your examples raise some interesting questions: What constitutes a "literary" or "high-brow" writer, anyway? Iain Banks, for instance, is a famous science fiction writer. Is a writer whose works focus on ethnic minorities (someone like Toni Morrison or Amy Tan) part of that circle we call the "literary elite?"

The literary 'elite' is some sense is defined by the most astute commentators on that canon, that is the professors and journals that chose to analyse literature according to very high standards - and therefore attempt to place them within literary canon. All these writers, from present and history, are subject to that study. Certainly are you not aware of the large and growing study of racial and ethnic fiction across the globe, in diverse languages? It is one of the most important elements of arts reseach at the moment, pushing past a western-centric model of artistic development. Banks is considered part of the literary element of science fiction - at least in the work of the professor I linked to the page before and the work of her fellows in contemporary fiction. Also remember Banks is more than a SF writer - and that neither side of his persona, nor each individual work, is divorced in form, content or style from the other.

Shakespeare was all about justifying the authority and power of monarchs, and specifically of the ruling monarchs of his life. In his histories, he deliberately portrayed the ancestors of Elizabeth I and James I in very positive ways, and portrayed their ancestors' enemies in very negative lights. And that's to say nothing of his endorsement of things like male supremacy in The Taming of the Shrew. Shakespeare's art certainly supported the existing power structures of early modern England. But, by the same token -- he was not considered a "literary" author in his era. Shakespeare's plays were considered the popular, somewhat vulgar, entertainment of their day; it wasn't until centuries after his death that he became so venerated.

I would say you are perhaps wrong that Shakespeare's company, and the plays produced therein, were 'the popular, somewhat vulgar, entertainment' you state. As I put forth in the Rings of Times thread, he was the subject of diverse patronage, including in particular the household of Queen Anne. In addition, the epithets placed on Shakespeare both within his lifetime and immediately after - and the use of his plays in Restoration drama and court - indicate his 17th century popularity from the more literate members of society and the social elites.

I would also say that you simplify the role of drama and commentary in Elizabethan and early Stuart stage as to a simple political function. Arguably Shakespeare's medieval history plays do focus on the ancestors of Elizabeth and James, though not always flatteringly. What was key to the plays was the relationship to the chronicles - Edward Hall (1548) and Raphael Holinshed (1587) - Shakespeare was adapting his material from. Neither are 'histories' in the more aspirationally objective sense of today, but rather commentaries on how rulership should be effected, and what went wrong & right.

In the vein of this commentary, not all kings are depicted in the best light. Edward III, for example, who is compared to his heroic son the Black Prince and whose adulterous desires seem to represent his failings. Henry IV on the throne in his own titular play is shown as, perhaps, lacklustre. Henry VI - the longest cycle of the history plays - depicts the king as unable to command the realm - in part because of bad tutorship, and also his own subsumation by the realm. More so his absence from the first 2 acts of Part 1 is representative of his failed vision and weak rulership. More so, the villains of the Tudor historical cause - such as Richard III - do have emblematic, even heroic ends.

Beyond the medieval plays, is not Julius Caesar a play against tyranny - and therefore critical of the overeager monarch? What of the madness of Lear, in which a king abandons his realm to his squabbling children - commentary on the role of the ruler, and anxiety about late Elizabethan and early Stuart succession and government.

But this is a consideration of content purely, when of course the artistic is more than just the critical content. I think Shakespeare is far more challenging to what you perceive as orthodoxy formally as well as in content. Certainly even in his use of the history play, which though it had exemplars dating back to John Bale two generations before, was perceived by some of the elite of the late fifteenth century as base. For example the courtier poet Sir Philip Sidney stated that literature -what he called ‘poetry’ - was a loftier form than history. The purpose of studying both history and literature was to see ‘virtue exalted and vice punished’, and in Sidney’s view, ‘that commendation is peculiar to poetry, and far off from history’. However Shakespeare broke through that barrier by making commendation - that is criticism of both the concept of rulership and even potential hazards in Elizabethan and Stuart government - a central part of the formal structure and even genre of history play.

Personally, I'd prefer if literature (or literary criticism at least) didn't concern itself so much with how subversive or conservative a work is. For one thing, from my perspective it's pretty much all "too conservative".

I think conservatism is an important feature of society, though the failure of political debate is to define human socio-economic opinions along a single line. For example the thoroughly orthodox Catholic should because of their acceptance of the imago Dei in all human beings, be anti-death penalty, pro-life, only accept a just war (that is, a war where all other overtures have failed or where there is absolute threat to a group of vulnerables - and which is never for just personal gain), belief in the necessity of their own charitible action (the amount of which according to consience and spiritual guidance), strict on sexual matters, believe in the rationality of their religion, accept of the role of other religious groups because of the presence of truth in them, be able to forgive the wrongs of others, etc... The thoroughly orthodox Catholic therefore fits no current political dimension as peddled by the weak 'right-left' model. However that model still is defined, in all its fragmentary elements, in opposition to a wide range of ethical, socio-economic positions.

In the same way the study of literary criticism, and wider artistic criticism, often works by identifying a critical issue within an art work, narrowing in on it, and working it out in relation to other works, opinions, theories and so on of the day, yah?
 
Personally, I'd prefer if literature (or literary criticism at least) didn't concern itself so much with how subversive or conservative a work is. For one thing, from my perspective it's pretty much all "too conservative".

I think conservatism is an important feature of society, though the failure of political debate is to define human socio-economic opinions along a single line.

I agree entirely on both points. For one thing, I put "conservative" in marks because I'm talking about a general desire to defend against change or block any deconstruction of established ways of thinking, not an overtly political position. I don't have any political position that can be summarized in simple terms or which matches anything outside my own individual perspective. I'd also add that my personal opposition to something doesn't mean I don't acknowledge or respect its importance. :) I'm just one component in a wider system, I would never presume that my position is the right one, no matter how strongly I pushed for it. I just play an unusual role in the system, so I'm often at odds with most of our people's literature.

In the same way the study of literary criticism, and wider artistic criticism, often works by identifying a critical issue within an art work, narrowing in on it, and working it out in relation to other works, opinions, theories and so on of the day, yah?

The problem I have is that those critical issues are examined from a perspective that is mired in assumptions about the ideological structure of society "then and now" that doesn't always correspond to how it is or was, or at least how I think it is or was. The "opinions and theories of the day" are so easily misrepresented or twisted to suit whatever it best serves the current ideologies to have them be. It's like looking at clouds. You see a bunny because that's what you have in mind, and someone else might see something totally different. Not just in how what you're seeing is interpreted but the very image you come away with. I often see a supposed struggle or debate between various positions that, from my angle, are all ultimately the same and mutually reinforcing a standard that defines not only their society but most societies, and which the current perspectives don't seem to acknowledge because they're caught up in them too. Or to put in another way, thinking you're being significant by debating which shade of blue we're dealing with won't impress those who think in orange and say that blue is blue. Sure, there are many subtle differences between the shades, but acting as if those truly matter seems a mistake to me.

I guess it's a bit like, say, wine-tasting. Those invested in wine will perceive every subtle difference and comment on each individual wine. But the layman, while acknowledging that there is a difference and while having their own preferences, still sees them all as wine, and might prefer another drink anyway. For myself, Literature (meaning that particular form of literature we're all talking about here, to borrow from that idea that "literary" is itself a genre) is like wine. I can appreciate that others like to discuss the subtlties in opinion, political and ideological position and emerging social trends, but I personally just can't place the same significance on it, partly because from my position it's all too similar and partly because modern literary critics are themselves too similar. People, in my opinion, can never truly understand every aspect of their own position. To get back to my original post, the discussion as to who or what has power in any given society and the modern focus on "alternative" literary voices or ideological struggle in literature may strike others as challenging or illuminating but often strikes me as just rearranging figures on a shelf. I guess I just prefer it when literature expands its horizons rather than gets itself mired in tired political and ideological tussles that are more about reinforcing current ideologies than anything else. And I do stress that this is all based on how my mind works and where I personally stand in relation to things; if you're a wine taster then those subtlties make all the difference. And I acknowledge that there's a lot of important issues being explored in what is deemed "Literature"; it's just not for me. :)
 
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I just called him. At the moment, he's at the dojo, waiting for a ride home. He hasn't made a decision yet about dinner. He checked his P.O. box earlier; it was empty except for an alumni newsletter, which he plans to use to wrap fish.
 
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