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My problems with Kirstens Voyager Novels

These really don't fit the discussion:

Right off the bat, I'm going to remind you of what I said earlier in that same post:

It's not always easy to actually divide the novels up. The Crucible trilogy, for instance, heavily incorporates both events from the canon, events set between canonical entries, and events set after the canonical era ends. TNG: A Time to... is set aboard the Enterprise-E, features the TNG characters doing TNG-ish things, and is set between INS and NEM, but also heavily ties into the later TTN and TNG Relaunch novels. Other novels may feature canonical characters in the canonical era doing familiar-ish things, but doing so in a way that's new and unusual -- Excelsior: Forged in Fire is set between ST5 and ST6 and features Sulu, but it's set during his first adventure as captain of the Excelsior, so I put it in the "Innovative" rather than "Familiar" category. And the novel to which Forged in Fire was a prequel, The Lost Era: The Sundered, heavily focused on Sulu and Chekov aboard the Excelsior, having a very traditional TOS adventure... in 2298, five years after the TOS canonical era ends. Etc. Some novels just strike me as being a little of both, so I put them in both categories. Bottom line: It's a bit of a subjective evaluation, and your mileage may vary as to whether or not I categorized them well.

What you're hitting on here, in other words, is the fact that there is no objective standard to measure whether or not a given novel matches up to your idea of what kinds of paradigms a STAR TREK novel should feature. There are novels that could be argued to fit one which someone else might argue fits the other, and which someone else might argue fits a third. That is, in fact, part of what makes your complaint hard to satisfy -- there's no real definition of what you're looking for.

Having said that, I'll now defend my reasons for placing each entry into the "Familiar Paradigm" category.

Gateways: What Lay Beyond (anth)
This is one of the entries that I considered to fit both categories. The TOS entry and the VOY entry are both set during their respective series; on the other hand, it also contained entries from NF, a novel-original series in CHALLENGER, and from the DS9 Relaunch. As a result, I concluded that it fit both categories.

ST09: Star Trek (2009) novelization
I am absolutely baffled by your objection to this one being placed in the "Familiar Paradigm" category. How can a novel that literally does nothing but re-tell a canonical story possibly not fit into the "Familiar Paradigm" category? It's a novel set during the canonical era, featuring the canonical characters, doing canonical things. Doing the same things we saw in the film. As a novelization, it is literally the least original and innovative type of STAR TREK novel that could possibly be written.

ST09: SF Academy: Delta Anomaly
ST09: SF Academy: The Edge
ST09: SF Academy: The Gemini Agent
ST09: SF Academy: The Assassination Game
ST09: SF Academy: TBA
I stand by this assessment as well. They feature the characters from ST09, are set between scenes of the film, puts them in a setting seen in ST09, and tells new stories that can't shake up the status quo too much by virtue of their being set between scenes in the film. In terms of whether or not they should be considered "Familiar Paradigm" novels, I don't see how the ST09 STARFLEET ACADEMY novels are any different than any given TNG novel set during the series.

Forty of the "familiar paradigm" novels are TOS (but some of these are mulitiple book groups like String Theory, which is counted as three books, so there are more than are listed here), twenty-five are TNG, three are DS9, eight are VOY, and ten are ENT.
Yes, but you didn't claim that your objection was that the preponderance of "Familiar Paradigm" novels were TOS, you claimed that "TOS is the only series that is still using the original crew/ship" (a factually inaccurate claim). You are, once again, moving your goalposts.

But even more telling than that is the date of the LATEST NEW NOVEL in the "familiar paradigm": TOS is 2012, TNG is 2007, DS9 is 2005, VOY is 2006, and ENT is 2006.

In fact, since the latest non-TOS familiar paradigm novel (TNG in 2007), there have been ten TOS novels published (or more if you count all three Errand of Fury books separately).
In the last five years? Only TOS novels are in the "familiar paradigm" category.
Okay, but now you how to define what constitutes "recent?" The publishing world works on a very long schedule, and there are only 12 novels published a year. That's why I included ten years' worth -- because I do not think even five years' worth of trends gives us a large enough sample size to be statistically meaningful.

And, again, we also hit the question of subjective definitions. DS9: THE NEVER-ENDING SACRIFICE was published just two years ago, was mostly set during the series, and focused on characters from the TV series. Yet it was set on Cardassia, following the life of Rugal, the orphan sent back to Cardassia in DS9 season two's "Cardassians," as the events of DS9 the series unfolded around him. Does it qualify? STAR TREK: TEROK NOR was set during the Bajoran Occupation and focused on canonical characters, and the Occupation was an era we'd seen numerous times in flashbacks throughout DS9's run; does that qualify?

Nor have you explained why it's okay to ignore a reprint of a book that's been out of print for two decades (TNG: NIGHTSHADE). Surely its impact on the reading public will be the same as one that is completely new? Especially since you yourself said that novels that are a bit older might as well not exist for new readers. Well, if this one is reprinted with a new cover, then it might as well be new for those new readers.

This is the problem with your complaint: It lacks definition, it's highly subjective, and it's short-sighted by only focusing on the last few years.
 
Five years, even in the publishing world, is a pretty long time.

I think that ST09 is a different category since it is currently under production. You may feel otherwise.

I think I made my point. You can nitpick it to death, but I'm done.
 
Five years, even in the publishing world, is a pretty long time.

No, it's really not. Especially in the publishing world, it's not. A typical novel requires at least two years to writer and publish.

I think that ST09 is a different category since it is currently under production. You may feel otherwise.
That makes no sense. You asked for novels that feature the canonical characters in canonical situations doing canonical-like things, and that's what we have in the ST09 novelization and ST09 SF ACADEMY novels. In what way are they not the "Familiar Paradigm"-type novels?

ETA #1: The only way it even begins to make sense to me is if your complaint re: ST09 boils down to the ST09 cast and set-up being itself new rather than the familiar TOS -- which is a problem with the series the novels are based upon rather than the novels themselves. But that's like complaining in 1990 that Pocket is publishing a new book based upon TNG rather than a familiar TOS novel. End Edit.

I think I made my point. You can nitpick it to death, but I'm done.
It's not about nitpicking it to death, it's about the fact that your complaint doesn't stand up to even momentary scrutiny. As I said before, it lacks objective standards, it's highly subjective, and it uses too small of a representative sample.

ETA #2: Meanwhile, I've given you a list of almost one hundred novels published in the last ten years that seem to match what you're looking for (as best I understand what you're looking for, given that you keep changing your standards) -- and you still persist in complaining about the books Pocket publishes. It's like you're just bound and determined to complain about what Pocket publishes, irrelevant of what Pocket publishes.
 
Sci, give up. you're never going to convince her of the wrongness of her opinions, so you might as well just save pixels and time and not bother. she's locked into her world view and nothing you do will convince her that she's wrong.
 
Sci, give up. you're never going to convince her of the wrongness of her opinions, so you might as well just save pixels and time and not bother. she's locked into her world view and nothing you do will convince her that she's wrong.

Goes for AuntKate as well, you're just wasting your time with Sci.
 
A typical novel requires at least two years to writer and publish.

In my experience, it's generally more like a year and a half, sometimes less. For Forgotten History, it's slightly over a year from the initial conception of the project (late March '11) to publication (late April '12). But that's toward the low end of the scale.
 
I'm starting to wonder if perhaps Mack's TNG trilogy is set during the series. When I asked about whether or not it could be rebranded Typhon Pact like DRGIII's books have been, he said they're very TNG and being marketed as part of the 25th Anniversary, and a story set during the series would fit both of those pretty well.
 
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