If your goal here was to commit to TBBS what may go down as quite possibly one of the most creepifying and wheels off posts in its history, you've come pretty damn close.
A Flaky Boss & Baseball
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If your goal here was to commit to TBBS what may go down as quite possibly one of the most creepifying and wheels off posts in its history, you've come pretty damn close.
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If your goal here was to commit to TBBS what may go down as quite possibly one of the most creepifying and wheels off posts in its history, you've come pretty damn close.
Ummm... it was a joke.
Nope, was bored in class. Prof was going on about basic principles of physics.
Well, here's a big update: I have the day off tomorrow. My boss finally actually made it to our appointment and we went over some business and then finally addressed the elephant in the room. Basically, she and her boss were seeing my absences as my not wanting to be in my position anymore. And that is frankly a rather astute observation...because I pretty much hate it. When they were questioning committment they were talking about long term, as in "Is this what he wants to keep doing." rather than how I took it, which was more along the lines of, "Is he doing his job or screwing around?"
Basically, my job has changed since I took it over a year ago. New managers, changes to the program, etc. I started out as a customer support specialist and the position has become much more sales driven. There are times where I've felt like a telemarketer. Not to mention the micromanagement and over-reporting they have us do.
So I guess without really realizing it, my absences were showing them what I didn't want to verbalize. I was basically afraid that if I told them I didn't like my job, I'd lose it and be screwed. Well, after talking to my boss, it's apparently understood that the job has changed over time and that certain people won't fit the new mold. They understand if I want to make a change back from sales to operations.
Now, I didn't come out and tell them that I hate my job...it was more of an "I'm on the fence, let me think it over." sort of thing. But it at least cleared up for my boss why I may have seemed to not have my heart into it and the way is now paved for me going back to what I used to do...for the same pay if not more.
So in the end...I get to go to the commercial shoot, and I will likely end up back in a job I'm more comfortable and happier with.
Basically, my job has changed since I took it over a year ago. New managers, changes to the program, etc. I started out as a customer support specialist and the position has become much more sales driven. There are times where I've felt like a telemarketer. Not to mention the micromanagement and over-reporting they have us do.
So I guess without really realizing it, my absences were showing them what I didn't want to verbalize. I was basically afraid that if I told them I didn't like my job, I'd lose it and be screwed. Well, after talking to my boss, it's apparently understood that the job has changed over time and that certain people won't fit the new mold. They understand if I want to make a change back from sales to operations.
Now, I didn't come out and tell them that I hate my job...it was more of an "I'm on the fence, let me think it over." sort of thing. But it at least cleared up for my boss why I may have seemed to not have my heart into it and the way is now paved for me going back to what I used to do...for the same pay if not more.
So in the end...I get to go to the commercial shoot, and I will likely end up back in a job I'm more comfortable and happier with.
^ Sounds like good news, Flux! I was selling your boss short, it appears. It's always nice when they want to keep you happy and onboard.
I do still find it odd that she was concerned about how much vacation time I had left...but oh well, I got the day off.
Well, it's evident at this point that your boss was right about your not being committed to your work. Your heart isn't really into it although you haven't admitted that to her. The whole baseball issue seems irrelevant to how you feel about your job, and yet she perceives it as a lack of commitment on your part.
I guess my question was this: how does me wanting to participate in a possibly once in a life time event signify that I'm not committed to my job?
Even though I don't like the job, I still feel like I committed myself to do the best job possible regardless.
Even though I don't like the job, I still feel like I committed myself to do the best job possible regardless.
^No. If you were truly committed to doing your job, you wouldnt go off to a baseball event. The "once in a lifetime" wouldn't mean crap to most supervisors. You shouldn't have mentioned why. You do seem to skip work a lot. Having a lot of vacation time left is meaningless when you seem to keep asking for time off.
Bullshit. I am committed to my job, but that doesn't mean I'll avoid doing other fun things in life if I can get it to work out.
Completely agree. Finn, that's complete and total crap. Any good business plan should account for people taking their allowed time off.
Indeed. He had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to do something he loved. Considering his job isn't to save lives or to have a profound effect on the community I think taking his PTO time however he sees fit is within his right.
I would suggest, Fluxie, that in the future you just ask for the day off you need not give them a reason. Either make it one of your scheduled days off for the week or burn PTO but just ask for the day off, don't tell them why it's really none of their business unless there's a conflict with another employee and there's a need to see who needs it the most.
It's all my people do, they just ask for the day off and if I can do it I give it to them. Don't want to know why and don't care why. If I do know I'll probably do exactly what your supervisor did here and just get annoyed at the triviality of the reason.
I would suggest, Fluxie, that in the future you just ask for the day off you need not give them a reason. Either make it one of your scheduled days off for the week or burn PTO but just ask for the day off, don't tell them why it's really none of their business unless there's a conflict with another employee and there's a need to see who needs it the most.
It's all my people do, they just ask for the day off and if I can do it I give it to them. Don't want to know why and don't care why. If I do know I'll probably do exactly what your supervisor did here and just get annoyed at the triviality of the reason.
Flux, I wouldn't go over her head yet. That should be a last resort. Go into the meeting with her prepared.
1) Before the meeting, document all time that you've taken off recently and bring it to the meeting.
2) At the meeting, ask her to clarify exactly why she thinks you're not committed, including her perception of how time you have taken off.
3) Rebut her position using your documentation of time off.
The goal is to pin her to specific "charges" and then tackle those specifically. If she keeps it to a vague "committment" thing, there's no way to rebut that. The commitment thing will come down to a she said, he said situation ("are not", "yes I am!"). The things like attendence are concrete and you can demonstrably refute those.
Also, find out if she has any concerns about your performance. Even if they're bogus, it's good for you to know about them so you can prepare your case. And, if you eventually have to go over her head, you'll have an idea of what she is telling her boss about you. Again, pin her down to specifics rather than vagueness so you can directly deal with specific charges.
If she refuses to get specific, then note that and say that she seems to have no specific concerns or problems with your job performance. And, if it escalates, that's what you tell her boss.
All in all, it's good that the higher ups know that she's having personal issues as it detracts from her case.
ETA: Ok, I saw your followup, glad it worked out for the best! Good luck at the shoot! For future occassions, I would handle it the way I describe above.
Mr Awe
1) Before the meeting, document all time that you've taken off recently and bring it to the meeting.
2) At the meeting, ask her to clarify exactly why she thinks you're not committed, including her perception of how time you have taken off.
3) Rebut her position using your documentation of time off.
The goal is to pin her to specific "charges" and then tackle those specifically. If she keeps it to a vague "committment" thing, there's no way to rebut that. The commitment thing will come down to a she said, he said situation ("are not", "yes I am!"). The things like attendence are concrete and you can demonstrably refute those.
Also, find out if she has any concerns about your performance. Even if they're bogus, it's good for you to know about them so you can prepare your case. And, if you eventually have to go over her head, you'll have an idea of what she is telling her boss about you. Again, pin her down to specifics rather than vagueness so you can directly deal with specific charges.
If she refuses to get specific, then note that and say that she seems to have no specific concerns or problems with your job performance. And, if it escalates, that's what you tell her boss.
All in all, it's good that the higher ups know that she's having personal issues as it detracts from her case.
ETA: Ok, I saw your followup, glad it worked out for the best! Good luck at the shoot! For future occassions, I would handle it the way I describe above.
Mr Awe
If your goal here was to commit to TBBS what may go down as quite possibly one of the most creepifying and wheels off posts in its history, you've come pretty damn close.
Ummm... it was a joke.
The thing about jokes is that they're usually funny, on at least some level.
That just came across as creepy, violent, and dark; especially when all we have to go on is what's written in the post. None of the non-verbals come through, so it's hard to tell.
Perhaps in the future, for those of us who don't share your humor or are humor-impaired, you can do something to let us know you're trying to be funny.
Maybe like this:
but saying "joking".
Actually, it wasn't even a funny joke, so no forewarning would have helped that one.
Yeah, I'm going to have to second that. Work is work, not my life. Some things are more important than going to work sometimes, especially when work involves selling print products to small and medium sized businesses.
I'm sure if you had a chance to be in commercials for the Patriots and possibly had a chance to meet the players you'd be doing the same thing I am.
BTW, I normally wouldn't have mentioned the reason for taking the day off, but my boss is allegedly a Giants fan herself so I figured she'd be able to relate. Guess I was wrong, and I suspect she's just another post-2010 bandwagon fan.
She might just be jealous! Thinking, if she's not going to go, neither should you!
Mr Awe
She may not have remembered that the time you took before was sick leave, and she wanted to make sure you weren't getting close to a leave-without-pay situation.
My supervisor has told me that she prefers at least two weeks notice of when I am going to take annual leave. For actual vacations, that isn't a problem, but for the odd day off here and there, I told her that is not always possible. I did say that I would give as much notice as I could (with an explanation)- and she seems pretty happy with that.
I'm talking about the manner he did. I once left work for a baseball game. The OP already had time off relatively often. I was almost never off from work. If I had a day off that often, sick or not, I wouldn't have told my boss I wanted to go off to a baseball event.
Also, different professions don't always use same business models, for a variety of reasons.
Yeah, I'm going to have to second that. Work is work, not my life. Some things are more important than going to work sometimes, especially when work involves selling print products to small and medium sized businesses.
I'm sure if you had a chance to be in commercials for the Patriots and possibly had a chance to meet the players you'd be doing the same thing I am.
BTW, I normally wouldn't have mentioned the reason for taking the day off, but my boss is allegedly a Giants fan herself so I figured she'd be able to relate. Guess I was wrong, and I suspect she's just another post-2010 bandwagon fan.
Nah. I only can name TWO Patriots players.
Mmm. Yeah. One thing nagged me about your remarks about your boss not being much of a Giants fan as you thought and how you seemed to assume I'd love to go to a Patriots event. Yanno one can be a fan without knowing the roster and going to non-game events following the team. For all you know, she was was rooting for the Giants since 1989.
That might be akin to assuming a casual Trekkie jumped on the ST09 bandwagon because he couldn't name the episode Tasha died or wouldn't let an employee have time off for a reek convention.
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