The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread!

[Mark 2000]

Would the storms and clouds stand still or would they not move as we viewed them?

As an animator I say from experience that you would not see those clouds moving with the planet going by that fast. It would be pointless. The brain is too focused on tracking the fast motion. It doesn't register the little stuff at all. Plus about 3/4 of the frames are motion blurred. There's no detail to move around.

 

[Sho]

It arrived, it arrived!

The evening is rescued.

 

[RAMA]

I wonder if Paramount under estimated the demand.

Target initially had 8 copies per store (so I was told)

I seem to remember Amazon used to always deliver discs on or sometimes
the day before an official release (if you ordered it at least 1 week prior)

I heard somewhere you don't get that now unless your an amazon prime member.

Two thoughts on this:

For movies, the studios usually go overboard with their disc prodction, but with TV shows, this is not so. I'm willing to bet they may have under shipped stores....HOWEVER...this is not scientific of course, but on the ST Facebook page, 2/3rd of respondents say they are waiting for the 1st season set!!! That shocks me. The potential audience here is much bigger.

RAMA

 

[RAMA]

I'm surprised the opening credits look identical, I always assumed (I guess incorrectly) the planets were CGI or something.

I wish the planets were redone in CGI. They now look too 'static' in the higher resolution. What would Jupiter look like if we could view it up close? Would the storms and clouds stand still or would they not move as we viewed them? That would be the improvement I would ask for in the credits, and for the Season 3-7 version (which I haven't seen yet), the proto-planetary disk dust around the star should also be animated to look as real as possible.

You would not notice motion from moment to moment from orbit but only over time, your perception within an atmosphere is coloring your view. There is nothing wrong with the planets in the title sequence.

 

[Maurice]

Would the storms and clouds stand still or would they not move as we viewed them?

As an animator I say from experience that you would not see those clouds moving with the planet going by that fast. It would be pointless. The brain is too focused on tracking the fast motion. It doesn't register the little stuff at all. Plus about 3/4 of the frames are motion blurred. There's no detail to move around.

Also, given the size of planets, for weather systems to move visibly (at any distance where you could see the whole globe) the winds would have to be on the order of a hundred miles per second...or something like 360,000 mph. Not. Gonna. Happen.

 

[jefferiestubes8]

Next Generation, when they did it 25 years ago, what they did was they shot it on film, then they transferred it onto videotape, put the film away in a vault and then just cut it on tape. So now we have to go back to the original film – which was stored underground in a salt mine in Pennsylvania – and rescan it

http://m.sfx.co.uk/2012/01/17/star-trek-the-next-regeneration-on-blu-ray/

So paramount/CBS takes care of its archival original camera negatives. Now i would think DS9 and VOY also was stored in the same way. Depending on sales of TNG Blu-rays now for the first time I guess I can see these other series getting an HD remastered treatment in the same way. Mostly for the syndication in HD but yes also the HD digital downloads and the Blu-ray season sets.

Other reviews of TNG The Next Level Blu-ray:
http://bluray.ign.com/articles/121/1217728p1.html

http://m.wired.com/geekdad/2012/01/sttng-blu-ray/

 

[DostoyevskyClone]

Amazon is currently showing The Next Level at:

#17 in Movies & TV
#5 in Movies & TV > Blu-ray



Do you see it climbing much more? How are DVD sales tracked anyway (i.e. is there some comparable system to that used in music sales)? Since the first season is already underway, I guess CBS won't attach much significance either way to good or bad numbers?

 

[Borjis]

Finally found a copy.......STOKED!!!

 

[Jefferies]

Amazon is currently showing The Next Level at:

#17 in Movies & TV
#5 in Movies & TV > Blu-ray



Do you see it climbing much more? How are DVD sales tracked anyway (i.e. is there some comparable system to that used in music sales)? Since the first season is already underway, I guess CBS won't attach much significance either way to good or bad numbers?

The impact of that number really depends on what else has been coming out the last few days.

 

[ATimson]

So paramount/CBS takes care of its archival original camera negatives. Now i would think DS9 and VOY also was stored in the same way. Depending on sales of TNG Blu-rays now for the first time I guess I can see these other series getting an HD remastered treatment in the same way.

The other series have a stumbling stone that TNG doesn't, though - their extensive use of CGI. (DS9 for Odo and ship shots in the last three seasons; Voyager for ship shots starting around season 3.)

 

[Trekker4747]

And before anyone says it, the CGI used for DS9 and Voyager was made for standard definition TV, it won't hold-up at all for High Definition TV.

 

[JJohnson]

And before anyone says it, the CGI used for DS9 and Voyager was made for standard definition TV, it won't hold-up at all for High Definition TV.

Good for the fans when those eventually go HD, because they'll get redone and they'll look even better. Some of the later Voyager CG could use some polishing up, putting it kindly. Star Trek, all in HD, these are good days!

 

[Destructor]

And before anyone says it, the CGI used for DS9 and Voyager was made for standard definition TV, it won't hold-up at all for High Definition TV.

That doesn't meant the files don't still exist, which means they could be retextured and recompiled in HD, meaning you'd have the exact same 'shots', but just at higher res.

 

[Beatnik]

And before anyone says it, the CGI used for DS9 and Voyager was made for standard definition TV, it won't hold-up at all for High Definition TV.

Plus, neither show was as popular as TNG, so I don't think they'll worry so much about the "sanctity" of the original shots. I think the hardest part would be building those meshes from the original frames, assuming they weren't scanned in. If they do DS9, I expect they'll have a little fun with the ship shots.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Wow, every Target store within a 50 mile radius was entirely sold out.
Fry's didn't have it yet...odd they usually have all launch day titles.
of course Best Buy didn't have it...unless its a really big movie they usually get them later.

should have got it from amazon....

That sucks, I got mine at Target on my lunch hour Tuesday. Only one copy, hopefully I didn't get yours...

 

[davejames]

I just don't see CBS wanting to commit the same time and money to DS9 or VOY. Those shows were never the huge, mainstream success that TNG was, and you don't see them continuing to air in syndication or on cable like TNG does.

The only purpose would be to please a few diehard fans and collectors, and I just don't think that would be enough.

 

[Tosk]

It wasn't that long ago that many people said TNGR would never happen.

 

[22 Stars]

Let's face it, the cost of doing this kind of project must be coming down. CBS is treating TNG so well, we should all be thankful and I would hope that as the years go by, they costs keep coming down and they continue with the other shows in the franchise.

 

[Trekker4747]

It wasn't that long ago that many people said TNGR would never happen.

It was felt it would be too time and money intensive for them (CBS/Paramount) to want to bother with it as we all knew what the project would involve (putting the episodes back together again from scratch.) We were wrong.

 

[GalaxyX]

It wasn't that long ago that many people said TNGR would never happen.

It was felt it would be too time and money intensive for them (CBS/Paramount) to want to bother with it as we all knew what the project would involve (putting the episodes back together again from scratch.) We were wrong.

I knew it would happen eventually. The success of nuStarTrek really is what I think pushed the project to the "let's do it" phase. They want to cash in on that success as much as possible. TOS-R was already done, so TNG was naturally next in step even if it was more work.

DS9 did horrible in ratings (some valid reasons IMO, some non-valid ones) so, while I feel it will eventually be done, it probably won't be any time soon. IF TNG-R is really successful for them, they will do VOY-R next, and if THAT is successful, then they will probably do DS9-R.