Alien personalities/philosophies

[CosmicQuestion]

Howdy peoples! There was a recent post about the lack of original alien species of TOS in more modern incarnations of Trek. Tellarites, Gorn, and Andorians seem to be getting renewed interest so let's have some fun with them.

Vulcans=Logic / Klingons=Aggression / Ferangi=Profit

If you could develope the prevailing philosophies and most common personality traits of Andorians, Tellarites, Organian, Gorn, or any TOS alien that hasn't been explored in depth, how would you make them.

Since I just read a post about Andorians I'll do a write up for them:

Andorian
Philosophy: Artistic/ Secretive/ Humorous/ Loyal
Common traits: Extreme. Very professional when in professional environment and laid back,friendly and goofy in casual situations.
Movie roles: She'd never abandon her friends and always jokes and laughs with them but professional coleagues can't imagine her ever laughing. Team up with serious Tellarite to be her little buddy.

Tellarite
Philosophy: Serious/ Debating/ Sarcastic/ Honest/ Big eaters
Common traits: Nosey. Thinks other are incompetent, humorless.
Movie roles: She wants to know everything, trivial or not, that's goin on because lives may depend on it or so she says but truth is she's just nosey. Team up with playful Andorian joker for comedy duo with Tellarite being serious.

How would you like to see the aliens portrayed?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Tellarites and Adorians really dislike each other. The teaming up thing seems gimmicky, oh look the opposites are attracting.

Lets have more shows about the Bolians and their bowels!

 

[T'Girl]

Lets have more shows about the Bolians and their bowels!

Bolians, the Federation's bankers.

original alien species

Alpha Centurion.

Founding member of the Federation.

They have no personal names and their language has no name for their species, joyfully accept others name for them (but dislike "Hey You"). Humans call their system Alpha Centauri.

Vulcans, Andorians, Tellars each have there own name for the system, which doesn't bother the Centurians

Philosophy: Calm and serene.

Common traits: Insightful, observant, loyal.

Movie role: Female (called "Scarlett" for her complexion), career Starfleet from age seventeen, service not career is her priority, a twenty year Lieutenant.

Assignment: Security. She is the deputy security chief, fixture on landing parties (hates the term "away team"), trained as a investigator, previous ground assignment Starbase military police.

 

[ambessalion]

no personal names and no names for their race? that seems highly silly and ridiclous for me...it'd make more sense that they're not revealed to outsiders (especially aliens) than not having them

especially if it's a religious edict/law

 

[T'Girl]

seems highly silly and ridiclous for me

Well, we could just make all aliens basically Humans with weird foreheads. Or they could be (you know) different.

With unique cultures and societies.

And I know plenty of people who don't use the names their parent originally gave them. Many times the names their known by were given to them by others (which is where I got that part).

I also wanted to come up with a explanation for why one of the founding members of the Federation had no indigenous name. There is Earth, Vulcan, Andor, Tellar, and ... Alpha Centauri? Sure it is an old aspect of fandom, and some simply drop AC altogether from the founders. Or explain it as there were four homeworlds and a Earth colony. That last never many sense to me.

 

[ambessalion]

it can be an Earth colony that became independent politically

or it can be that their religion doesn't allow for non-natives to say the name of their world

just saying X for the sake of saying it and saying it's because of Y (like a religous belief) are two different things....i'm sorry if that rubs you the wrong way but as i'm a history major and anthropology minor so i look at sci fi aliens through that filter (which is why i love star trek so much....the writers go out of their way to make them seem realistc)

 

[tighr]

I thought Alpha Centaurians were humans.

 

[Sandoval]

The dancing Smartie makes a good point.

Aren't people from Alpha Centauri just humans who colonised the place?

 

[tighr]

The dancing Smartie makes a good point.

It's the 7-Up spot.

Make Seven! Up Yours!

 

[Sandoval]

Dancing Smartie: Having the answer since 1937

 

[The Castellan]

I'd like to see more about the Horta myself, or how the Nanite species Wesley made turned out, or the beings from "Home Soil".

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Aren't people from Alpha Centauri just humans who colonised the place?

Yep.

Alpha Centauri is like Mars, in that it is a human colony that gained independence and became a Federation member itself.

 

[tighr]

Alpha Centauri is like Mars, in that it is a human colony that gained independence and became a Federation member itself.

That brings up a good question that might be good for another thread (someone else create it, because I'm lazy): Does the Federation accept PLANETS or does the Federation accept STAR SYSTEMS? It's the United Federation of Planets, but Mars is technically a colony of Earth, and its in the Sol System. I would assume its subjugated to Earth as far as representation.

Other races colonized other planets in their systems, as well.

Something to ponder.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Federation membership is one planet at a time. Mars is no longer a colony; it is a fully independent nation, it has no ties to Earth. Any given star system can contain multiple Federation members - like this one.

 

[tighr]

Mars is no longer a colony; it is a fully independent nation, it has no ties to Earth.

Where does it state that in canon? No reference to Mars as an independent sovereign planet are listed on Memory Alpha.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I'm kind of thinking someone's talking Bab 5 here.

 

[CosmicQuestion]

Actually I think T'Girl's character design is very cool. Think about how much American culture has changed in a few decades. Take TV shows from the 50's, 70's, and current trends and they'd be very different. If settlers from Earth colonized a distant planet, chances are they would have a somewhat unique way of thinking and would like to avoid criticisms by relocating.

The change in appearance could be due to living on an alien world, even on Earth what and how much a person eats can have a radical effect on their appearance. If a person was growing food in alien soils it stands to reason that they'd start to look different.
I hope we WILL see a cool character like Scarlet introduced in a movie or series soon.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I'm kind of thinking someone's talking Bab 5 here.

No, I wasn't even thinking of B5.

I admit there's no *canon* mentioning of when Trek's Mars became independent. But it seems obvious that they did, at some point. We have no idea when, but I'm sure it happened. The novels all have an independent Mars even when ENT takes place, so I'm going with that. Canon be damned.

 

[Sci]

That brings up a good question that might be good for another thread (someone else create it, because I'm lazy): Does the Federation accept PLANETS or does the Federation accept STAR SYSTEMS?

That's a bit like asking if the United States accepts islands or prairies as states in the Union. You're confusing geography with political organization. The Federation doesn't accept planets, per se, nor star systems -- how could they? Planets are just objects; you can't accept an object, you have to accept a political entity.

To make a comparison: The Hawaiian islands are not part of the Union; the State of Hawaii is part of the Union. The planet Earth is not part of the Federation; the political entity United Earth is part of the Federation.

DS9 and TNG's "Attached" seem to make it clear that the Federation accepts as Members sovereign states that agree to yield their sovereignty to the Federation as one of its constituent Members (akin to the United States annexing the Republic of Texas). "Attached" makes it clear that those sovereign states do have a geographic size requirement: They have to possess full sovereignty over an entire planetary surface. So, the Federation would accept, say, the Republic of Bajor as a Federation Member, but it wouldn't accept the Republic of Western Bajor while rejecting the Commonwealth of Eastern Bajor.

It's the United Federation of Planets, but Mars is technically a colony of Earth,

I mean, what definition of "colony" are you using? Is this a description of the community's origins -- i.e., that it was founded by people who moved from Earth and began terraforming Mars? Is this a description of its legal political situation -- i.e., that it is considered a territory of the state known as United Earth but is subject to United Earth rule without possessing political equality with United Earth's other constituent entities (in the same way, that, say, the Territory of Indiana wasn't equal with the states in the Union prior to its becoming the State of Indiana, yet was still subject to rule from Washington)? Or is it a description of a de facto but not de jure relationship--say, a United Earth that dominates Mars the way the United States dominates the Republic of Haiti?

and its in the Sol System.

Why assume that United Earth get to claim ownership of the entire solar system?

I would assume its subjugated to Earth as far as representation.

I see no reason to presume such.

For the record, the novels have established that the Martian colonies waged a war of independence against their colonial masters on Earth, gaining their independence and establishing a sovereign state called the Confederated Martian Colonies in 2105, with Aries City as their capital. The nations of Earth, on the other hand, did not actually join together to form United Earth until 2130, and did not persuade the last holdouts to join United Earth until 2150. The Alpha Centauri colonies are established to have become independent of United Earth some time shortly prior to the end of ENT Season Four--meaning that, for a time, United Earth and the Confederated Martian Colonies shared a solar system, while Alpha Centauri remained under the jurisdiction of United Earth. Afterwards, humanity was essentially divided among three separate, sovereign states: United Earth, the Confederated Martian Colonies, and the Alpha Centauri state.

United Earth then, of course, was one of the founding Members of the United Federation of Planets, along with the now-independent Alpha Centauri state, with the Confederated Martian Colonies joining as a separate Federation Member later on.

Mars is no longer a colony; it is a fully independent nation, it has no ties to Earth.

Where does it state that in canon? No reference to Mars as an independent sovereign planet are listed on Memory Alpha.

The canon has established nothing about Mars except that the Martian colonies exist, that the first Martian flag was said by Quark to be based on a painting of a matador, that the energy being which later possessed Piglet killed some women there, and that the Fundamental Declaration of the Martian Colonies had by the 23rd Century come to be regarded as an important landmark in the evolution of individual rights.

 

[tighr]

That's a bit like asking if the United States accepts islands or prairies as states in the Union. You're confusing geography with political organization. The Federation doesn't accept planets, per se, nor star systems -- how could they? Planets are just objects; you can't accept an object, you have to accept a political entity.

I wasn't the one who decided to call it the UFP. Maybe they should have went with the United Federation of States? The original question was a rhetorical, with which I used to launch my speculation on the answer. Obviously, my response is that the UFP would indeed accept United Earth as a member in addition to its colonies and territories, much like the U.S. has unincorporated territories even today.

To make a comparison: The Hawaiian islands are not part of the Union; the State of Hawaii is part of the Union. The planet Earth is not part of the Federation; the political entity United Earth is part of the Federation.

And you prove my point. The political entity of Earth (at least as far as canon goes and novels notwithstanding) includes Mars.

It's the United Federation of Planets, but Mars is technically a colony of Earth,

I mean, what definition of "colony" are you using? Is this a description of the community's origins -- i.e., that it was founded by people who moved from Earth and began terraforming Mars? Is this a description of its legal political situation -- i.e., that it is considered a territory of the state known as United Earth but is subject to United Earth rule without possessing political equality with United Earth's other constituent entities (in the same way, that, say, the Territory of Indiana wasn't equal with the states in the Union prior to its becoming the State of Indiana, yet was still subject to rule from Washington)? Or is it a description of a de facto but not de jure relationship--say, a United Earth that dominates Mars the way the United States dominates the Republic of Haiti?

Who said anything about Haiti? A more apt comparison would be Puerto Rico. We don't own Haiti. We didn't plant a flag on their capital steps.

Why assume that United Earth get to claim ownership of the entire solar system?

Because in canon, Earth settled Mars and the various moons of our system. There were no Martians, and no extraterrestrials had laid claim to those barren bodies. United Earth doesn't just get to claim ownership of the solar system, it flat out did. Q.E.D.

Mars is no longer a colony; it is a fully independent nation, it has no ties to Earth.

Where does it state that in canon? No reference to Mars as an independent sovereign planet are listed on Memory Alpha.

The canon has established nothing about Mars except that the Martian colonies exist.

I rest my case.