For that matter, I'd rather see good episodes instead of the crappy ones we got in season seven, but since the show was made and is what it is, it should be preserved. The odd change here and there won't kill me (such as the energy beam in "Farpoint"), but I'm glad they're doing their best to recreate the show faithfully to what was originally done.
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There is something peeking into the shot on the right side when we see Data, Troi and Picard examining Torres' frozen body.
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screenshot.php?movieid=30189&position=20
I don't even really get the whole obsession with having to see everything on screen all the time. The fleet in Redemption is indeed a great example, it never even occured to me to be bothered by a lack of ships there - I am perfectly content imagining them to be there, the camera just wasn't pointed at them. As for battle scenes, I am also content with the shots we have to give a suggestion of action. To me that's an aspect of the show's style and way of storytelling. Sure it was shaped by the budget and technology of the time, but, well, that's simply one of the parameters for works in the medium, and as a historical artifact in no way requires fixing.
Doesn't mean I didn't love the fabulous battle coreographies in DS9. Awesome stuff. But that's DS9, this is TNG. I don't see TNG as lesser for it, I see it as different, and I enjoy having a range of stuff. It's in no way about "preservationism" (although I do think that stance has moral merit), it's simply what I prefer to see. That said, I really don't mind minor changes/correction like changing the BoP angle or the beam emitter placement either - never healthy to be an extremist about anything. Heck, if they redo the odd shot in CGI for shits and giggles rather than out of necessity I won't bitch about it either: If I was working on the project I probably couldn't resist the temptation to strut my stuff a little either. It's more about the approach taken on average.
Doesn't mean I didn't love the fabulous battle coreographies in DS9. Awesome stuff. But that's DS9, this is TNG. I don't see TNG as lesser for it, I see it as different, and I enjoy having a range of stuff. It's in no way about "preservationism" (although I do think that stance has moral merit), it's simply what I prefer to see. That said, I really don't mind minor changes/correction like changing the BoP angle or the beam emitter placement either - never healthy to be an extremist about anything. Heck, if they redo the odd shot in CGI for shits and giggles rather than out of necessity I won't bitch about it either: If I was working on the project I probably couldn't resist the temptation to strut my stuff a little either. It's more about the approach taken on average.
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Good eye. Yeah, that looks like a flag.
Good catch! Apparently that net has always been there, as seen here: http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s1/1x01/farpoint1_051.jpg
But it is framed slightly wider in HD.
Yes, I actually want that. Why should they mess with this just because it gets on blu ray. Should they have already messed with it when they put it on DVD?
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They should add a brand new character to the series, a CGI Jar-Jar Binks-type. We'll see him walking around on the ship, lounging in Ten Forward, and the FX guys can actually replace other crew members with his CGI form in order to have the cast talk to and interact with him. And they could have the original actors loop in some dialog to make it more convincing. For instance, this scene from "Farpoint:"
Worf: And now a personal request, sir -- permission to clean up the bridge.
CGI Alien Crewmember (jumps out of turbolift): Lt. Worf is a-right-o! As chief bridge janitor I can't just stand here and let--
Picard: Yes you can (loop) Crewman Splip-teen!
Think of the possibilities.
Worf: And now a personal request, sir -- permission to clean up the bridge.
CGI Alien Crewmember (jumps out of turbolift): Lt. Worf is a-right-o! As chief bridge janitor I can't just stand here and let--
Picard: Yes you can (loop) Crewman Splip-teen!
Think of the possibilities.
I'm frankly dissapointed that they won't try to give us better staging shots like they did in some episodes of TOS.
It seems everyone wants TNG to be "exactly the same" except in "HD". Do you really want "Yesterday's Enterprise" to be the exact same boring "Enterprise stands still and fires 1 phaser beam at Klingons at a time" when they had an opportunity to get that sucker to move! Show us evasive maneouvers that aren't just the ship moving sideways! DS9 had some spectacular ship to ship battles, and not just in "Sacrifice of Angels" either, but other episodes too.
All this TNG purism is sickening. Don't you wish "Encounter at Farpoint" had scenes like these?:
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/secret_of_farpoint_teska_r02.jpg
But alas, we are just going to get the same old same old, but in "HD"
I agree on some points with you. Those who are suggesting that models by default are better than CGI is NOT an argument(which is the one 95% of people make), I'll dismiss those out of hand. I really do think certain shots like Yesterday's Enterprise's battles could use some variety. Why not take the opportunity to do it? On the other hand there are many more model shots and simple touch ups from Encounter at Farpoint in HD that surpassed my expectations..
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OK opinions, is this redone??
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/exclusive_images/Farpoint/Farpoint03.jpg
Sure looks like it...
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/exclusive_images/Farpoint/Farpoint03.jpg
Sure looks like it...
I do, too, although the missing windows are... strange.
I'm frankly dissapointed that they won't try to give us better staging shots like they did in some episodes of TOS.
It seems everyone wants TNG to be "exactly the same" except in "HD". Do you really want "Yesterday's Enterprise" to be the exact same boring "Enterprise stands still and fires 1 phaser beam at Klingons at a time" when they had an opportunity to get that sucker to move! Show us evasive maneouvers that aren't just the ship moving sideways! DS9 had some spectacular ship to ship battles, and not just in "Sacrifice of Angels" either, but other episodes too.
All this TNG purism is sickening. Don't you wish "Encounter at Farpoint" had scenes like these?:
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/secret_of_farpoint_teska_r02.jpg
But alas, we are just going to get the same old same old, but in "HD"
I'm pretty sure that Trek and TNG weren't about 'splosions and effects and kewl action all of that. So, yeah, I don't think I "want" or "need" to see anything added to the episodes.
Of not, from what I recall of what they did with TOS' new effects work that didn't add all sorts of crazy crap but stayed true to the intent of the original work while making it look and work better by utilizing modern technology.
They all have a closed "window shade" which makes it look like a smooth surface when viewed from afar from the outside. Yeah... that's it.
Fan wanking!
Well yes, it would have to be redone, unless they shot the title cards on film, rather than a video character generator of the time which was SD.
Wow, how quickly we fans take things for granted!
Yeah I suppose it would be nice to have a greater variety of FX shots, but considering the immense difficulty involved just to upgrade the freakin show to HD, we should be grateful we're getting THIS much.
And the fact they're doing extra little things like updating those cheesy, early-CG planets is icing on the cake.
It's as if GalaxyX thinks this is all happening with a huge budget to change anything on a whim. Maybe if he offered to foot the bill for fixing Yesterday's Enterprise to his specifications, these requests wouldn't be happening as frequently...
Agreed. As awesome as those intricate, complex space battles were in DS9, they would just feel out of place on the more stately and composed TNG, I think.
Besides, judging from the shots we've seen so far, I'll be more than happy just looking at that beautiful Enterprise model in HD.
And my stock answer, having chatted to some DVD marketing people, is:
Shows like "The Sopranos" have no special effects budget. The costumes can be "off the rack". The sets and furnishings can be hired from stores. It's a cheaper drama to make.
"Star Trek" is a quality product, highly coveted by its many fans. It is *not* necessarily price gouging to have a higher cost for something in high demand. These prices are well researched for the marketing plan. When they get the price wrong it either sits on shelves or flies out the door.
The reason why Star Trek, in DVD boxed season sets, were originally at such a high price point was to temper demand. If the price was originally lower, or equal, to other series, demand would be such that the stores could not keep it in stock and there would be anger from all points (Remember the "Mini Beanie Baby riots in McDonald's stores? Trucks being held up? Demand overwhelmed supply, because the items were so cheap but highly desirable).
Tiered pricing means that the first wave of a release is at maximum. Diehard collectors buy it. Then a few months later, the recommended retail price drops to the second tier. More people can afford it. About a year later, it drops again. Now lots of people can afford it. Then off to bargain tables. Everyone can afford it. By then, a new, improved product, with new bonus features, comes out at Tier One. And so on. Then the fans scream "Double dip!", but forgetting that it's been several years since the previous release, packaging styles have changes, etc. Stores don't want to carry old, stale stuff. So without new versions, "Star Trek" would simply go "out of print".
Trek is more popular than "Stargate", "Babylon Five" or "Battlestar Galactica". So the price for Trek is usually higher. CBS shareholders would not want to see their quality product being given away at bargain prices when they know they have the popular product. And DVD manufacturers, warehouses and retailers could not adequately meet demand if everybody who wanted ST could afford to buy it on Day 1.
I'm frankly dissapointed that they won't try to give us better staging shots like they did in some episodes of TOS.
It seems everyone wants TNG to be "exactly the same" except in "HD". Do you really want "Yesterday's Enterprise" to be the exact same boring "Enterprise stands still and fires 1 phaser beam at Klingons at a time" when they had an opportunity to get that sucker to move! Show us evasive maneouvers that aren't just the ship moving sideways! DS9 had some spectacular ship to ship battles, and not just in "Sacrifice of Angels" either, but other episodes too.
All this TNG purism is sickening. Don't you wish "Encounter at Farpoint" had scenes like these?:
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/secret_of_farpoint_teska_r02.jpg
But alas, we are just going to get the same old same old, but in "HD"
I agree on some points with you. Those who are suggesting that models by default are better than CGI is NOT an argument(which is the one 95% of people make), I'll dismiss those out of hand. I really do think certain shots like Yesterday's Enterprise's battles could use some variety. Why not take the opportunity to do it? On the other hand there are many more model shots and simple touch ups from Encounter at Farpoint in HD that surpassed my expectations..
RAMA
I don't know why, but the shot where the energy beam was 'fixed' - the Enterprise looks a bit...off. The line of separation between the saucer deck 10/11 seems way too smooth for some reason, and the neck seems taller than on other versions of the ship. Anyone else notice this?
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