If any Marvel movie crossover were possible

[DigificWriter]

To be honest, as much fun as it might be to see huge crossovers, I prefer to have the X-Men universe stand on its own. It's difficult for me, personally, to reconcile the treatment of mutants by humans when there are countless other 'regular' humans out there with superpowers, too. I know it's been touched on in this thread and in others, and some people don't have a problem with it, but I just find it odd. So yeah, while I'd like to see Marvel get full control of the X-Men property again, I kind of like that it's under another studio's control because I prefer the X-Men to be in their own universe.

I don't think the instances of bigotry and prejudice that exist in the X-Men movieverse are incompatible with the filmic Marvel U as we've seen it thus far, especially if you use First Class to effectively reboot the X-Men film franchise because you'd then be able to integrate the bigotry and prejudice issues into what we know happens in the future of the filmic Marvel U without any major issues or problems.

 

[Ethros]

Although I've read a fair few but not TONNES of Marvel comics, I would still agree that's the thing I find strange. That the general public still hate and fear mutants, even the ones trying to save them, and yet they also love Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four. Doesn't really make sense

2) Use Nick Fury and SHIELD in a modern-day reboot of Fantastic Four (set after the events of The Avengers) by having Fury or another person connected to SHIELD show up at the Baxter Building to talk to Richards and Co. after they've come back from their 'disastrous' space mission and debuted themselves publicly as the Fantastic Four, establishing that Fury wants the foursome to work directly for/with him and SHIELD, and with Richards turning the invitation down

It would be cool for Nick Fury/SHIELD to make a cameo in other Marvel movies too, inc as you say the FF reboot, and Spider-Man and Daredevil while we're at it. Which then makes me think of this, that Nick Fury should appear at the end of every movie

Paranormal Activity "I hear you're a pretty scary ghost, ghost. I guess the real question is are you ready to be scary for your country?"

 

[Silvercrest]

Although I've read a fair few but not TONNES of Marvel comics, I would still agree that's the thing I find strange. That the general public still hate and fear mutants, even the ones trying to save them, and yet they also love Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four. Doesn't really make sense

Right, especially because the general public won't know who's a mutant and who isn't. Spider-Man, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Ghost Rider, Cloak & Dagger-- very few of these guys are going to sit down and give interviews saying, "Don't worry, I'm not a mutant! I got my powers from somewhere else!"

In the past it's been stated that the Average Marvel Citizen does not generally believe in extraterrestrials and does not believe guys like Thor and Hercules are the actual beings of myth. That means they're just as likely to get lumped in with the mutants (even if they try to explain who they are).

The Fantastic Four? Parents of mutant offspring-- a matter of public record. That should make them a target of anti-mutant hysteria right there.

So why ISN'T the public afraid of all of them?

 

[The Lensman]

^ That would be very cool. With Doom as the villain? Or the Mole Man?

Why not both? While I've generally not been a fan of villain team ups in current superhero movies, if we're being faithful to that era of Marvel, then it would almost have to be a given.

I miss the days when the Fantastic Four were Marvel's premiere team. Sure the Avengers were cool, but they weren't the FF.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Both used would be awesome as well. Perhaps the second film could focus on Galactus and be like a B-Movie style Sci-Fi flick?

 

[The Lensman]

Both used would be awesome as well. Perhaps the second film could focus on Galactus and be like a B-Movie style Sci-Fi flick?

Well if I were doing multiple movies, it'd probably be four movies instead of the usual three. Probably like this:

1. vs Mole Man - an old fashioned 50's villian with army and giant monster. Good Ole fashioned super heroics.

2. vs Namor - play up the explorer element with Atlantis and an invasion

3. vs Doom - Doom.

4. vs Galactus - All out Kirby madness!! The Silver Surfer!! The Devourer Of Worlds and a bevy of crackling Kirby Dots!!

 

[Mistral]

Although I've read a fair few but not TONNES of Marvel comics, I would still agree that's the thing I find strange. That the general public still hate and fear mutants, even the ones trying to save them, and yet they also love Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four. Doesn't really make sense

Right, especially because the general public won't know who's a mutant and who isn't. Spider-Man, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Ghost Rider, Cloak & Dagger-- very few of these guys are going to sit down and give interviews saying, "Don't worry, I'm not a mutant! I got my powers from somewhere else!"

In the past it's been stated that the Average Marvel Citizen does not generally believe in extraterrestrials and does not believe guys like Thor and Hercules are the actual beings of myth. That means they're just as likely to get lumped in with the mutants (even if they try to explain who they are).

The Fantastic Four? Parents of mutant offspring-- a matter of public record. That should make them a target of anti-mutant hysteria right there.

So why ISN'T the public afraid of all of them?

If you read the future storyline in Xmen 141-142, you'd know that the Sentinels, at least, failed to distinguish any difference, killing mutants and non-mutants equally.

 

[Silvercrest]

Ah, that's a relief!

There was also a line in the original X-Factor about someone lumping the Avengers in with mutants. Jean tries to correct the speaker and is met with, "Says you, lady! They all look like freaks to me!"

But these are not good examples because they come straight out of the X-books where that's the prevailing attitude. The problem is that you go over to Spider-Man and the FF, and you don't traditionally see the same attitude (Civil War aside). The mutants might as well live in a different universe from the regular "super-heroes", the way they're written.

 

[captcalhoun]

there was a line in an X-book as well about people being freaked out by all the weirdos in long udnerwear cuz at one end you got a giant guy in purple who eats planets and at the other, some kid who clings to walls.

 

[Anwar]

Spider-Man IS feared and hated by lots of people. He's hardly in a better situation than the X-Men, because they at least have a safe haven to hide at (The Mansion) and unlimited money.

The FF were already famous before their transformation (well, Reed was) so the common folk are more accepting of them because of Reeds' pre-existing fame and connections.

We're also ignoring the effect guys like Magneto have on world politics: Having him pop up and constantly spout on about how the end of Homo Sapiens is the main reason the common people are fearful of mutants. None of the other Marvel villains go on about replacing mankind with a new species.

Xavier himself is another problem, because he also talks about mutants as being a separate species. If he was willing to swallow his pride and say that mutants were just humans with DNA abnormalities, basically saying "Look, we're not a new species we're just a lot of random unfortunate people." then people might not see mutants as their natural enemies/replacements.

So, truth is that the mutants also bring it on themselves because Xavier unfortunately DOES buy into Magneto's "Mutants are a new species" drivel.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Silver Surfer and Warlock! What fun guys.

Sub-Mariner, Doctor Strange and Iron Man in the same movie. I have no idea why, but I think those three would be hysterical together.

(PS, no, Robert Downey Jr. should not be playing all three characters. Wentworth Miller could play Namor if he hits the gym hard, and I could see Bradley Cooper as Doctor Strange, regardless of the general sentiment that that role belongs to Johnny Depp.)

 

[Skellington]

I'd want a Future Foundation film so we could get Spidey with the FF. Also so Chloe Moretz would be cast as Val Richards.

She's ten years too old.

(Edit: ...unless they do some natty CGI work, of course.)

 

[Silvercrest]

Spider-Man IS feared and hated by lots of people. He's hardly in a better situation than the X-Men, because they at least have a safe haven to hide at (The Mansion) and unlimited money.

The FF were already famous before their transformation (well, Reed was) so the common folk are more accepting of them because of Reeds' pre-existing fame and connections.

We're also ignoring the effect guys like Magneto have on world politics: Having him pop up and constantly spout on about how the end of Homo Sapiens is the main reason the common people are fearful of mutants. None of the other Marvel villains go on about replacing mankind with a new species.

Xavier himself is another problem, because he also talks about mutants as being a separate species. If he was willing to swallow his pride and say that mutants were just humans with DNA abnormalities, basically saying "Look, we're not a new species we're just a lot of random unfortunate people." then people might not see mutants as their natural enemies/replacements.

So, truth is that the mutants also bring it on themselves because Xavier unfortunately DOES buy into Magneto's "Mutants are a new species" drivel.

These are good points. I guess I'm not sure how Spider-Man is perceived these days; I was going off the other poster's assertion that he and the FF are loved.

Now that you mention it, the evidence is against mutants being a new species, because in most cases they don't breed true. Most cases of mutant reproduction in Marvel show children who are different from their parents. That's not stable over the long run. Among other things, breeding such unstable genotypes with each other will concentrate harmful genes that will kill them off in a few generations. That does not constitute "new species".

How many cases have we seen where children of mutants bred true? (Assume for the sake of this discussion that "same or similar powers" = "breeding true.") Siryn? Nate Grey? I suppose if siblings have the same powers, that suggests they're relatively stable, so count Northstar and Aurora. I'm unclear if Rachel Summers has powers of her own or if she just gets them through the Phoenix-force, so don't know if she should be counted. Legion has many more powers than just telepathy (unlike Xavier), so he doesn't count. Who else is there? And compare them against the number who are obviously different from their parents, like Pietro and Wanda.

 

[Anwar]

Also, we know that two mutant parents can have a human child (Graydon Creed).

The comics pretty much say that mutants are the result of alien precursors tampering with the human race, so they aren't a new species at all but truly are just random freaks.

It would make for a fine finale to X-Men. Various groups of humans and mutants (mutant supremacists, mutant haters, humans who want to use mutants, crazy geneticists, etc) all manage to locate and confront the oldest mutant they can find (Apocalypse) and demand he explain things to them.

He tells them the truth: Yes, there are people born with strange and incredible abilities. But they aren't the future of mankind, or a new species entirely; They're just random freaks that are the result of Apocalypses' own failed genetics experiments (he tried to spread his own random mutation to other humans, and if he really was a new stage of human it would have worked instead of being so piecemeal). Apocalypse himself is just one such random freak.

So mutants are really just random mutants after all, and it will always be up to normal humans to choose their own fate, destiny and whether they can live in peace with one another. "Homo Superior" doesn't exist, in the end they really are the same species that will have to live with one another.

A bittersweet, but fitting end to X-Men. They get their equality, but at a cost.

 

[Silvercrest]

Now I want to see Marvel publish that.

 

[Anwar]

That was pretty much the plot to "X-Factor Forever", the AU mini-series that ended X-Factor's storyline the way Louise Simonson (the creator of Apocalypse) wanted it to end before she left the book.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I know Val is ten years old...but Chloe has played young characters before. Hit-Girl is supposed to be ten or eleven years old herself. So it's not a stretch (no pun intended) for her to play Val. Plus I think she'd be able to handle all the techno-babble while still be convincing in the role.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I know Val is ten years old...but Chloe has played young characters before. Hit-Girl is supposed to be ten or eleven years old herself. So it's not a stretch (no pun intended) for her to play Val. Plus I think she'd be able to handle all the techno-babble while still be convincing in the role.

Wasn't Chloe eleven or twelve herself when she played Hit Girl? She's only 14 now.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ Yep. Still young enough to look like a ten or eleven year old. I doubt we'll even get a Future Foundation film. I wonder what the status is of the Fantastic Four reboot? Fox did announce one a few years ago. It's probably dead.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I dunno 10 and 14 can be a pretty big gulf.