Do I have to imagine that? I don't want to.
Why would the 'old Kim' timeline be erased in 'Timeless'
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No, you don't have to.
The world is full of kittens and rainbows.
Well, what's worse?
Geordie saying "Good luck"?
Or Kim inviting Admiral Janeway aboard the Rhode Island (Had Family Guy Started yet?) when he's under orders to stop her, and then being outwitted into letting her go, so that she could destroy the universe anyway with complete compunction and Kim's blessings.
The common denominator is Harry Kim.
There's no way that Kim's crew would let him get away with what he did unless they were primarily mostly Voyager expatriates. So who is going to be Captain Kim's XO? Sam Wildman, Vorrik or Chell? Someone else from Voyager because there had to be a reason he wasn't relieved of command, or kicked in the balls and relieved of command?
The world is full of kittens and rainbows.
Well, what's worse?
Geordie saying "Good luck"?
Or Kim inviting Admiral Janeway aboard the Rhode Island (Had Family Guy Started yet?) when he's under orders to stop her, and then being outwitted into letting her go, so that she could destroy the universe anyway with complete compunction and Kim's blessings.
The common denominator is Harry Kim.
There's no way that Kim's crew would let him get away with what he did unless they were primarily mostly Voyager expatriates. So who is going to be Captain Kim's XO? Sam Wildman, Vorrik or Chell? Someone else from Voyager because there had to be a reason he wasn't relieved of command, or kicked in the balls and relieved of command?
Well yes. His captaincy was deleted from history when Janeway did the wibbly time stuff.
So the only time we saw him as anything more important as an ensign never happened.
Damn right it is.
Anyway, some people are not fit to command starships. Geordi and Kim are a case in point, mediocre people promoted above their station who are unable to fully comprehend the importance of certain events.
Geordi wishing someone good luck with erasing fifteen years of galactic history smacks of a man who isn't really grasping the gravity of the situation.
"Captain La Forge, I'm planning on detonating a trilithium device inside the Sun, thereby destroying Earth and the entire solar system."
"Then I have to try and stop you. Good luck though."
"Thanks. You moron."
The irony is, that if someone destroyed the Earth's Sun, completely destabilizing the Federation, that even Geordie would feel compelled to go back in time, maybe even 15 years, to try and stop that chain of events before they go critical.
Eh?
Who's to say that Geordi won't become a captain in the 'new' timeline? He certainly could.
And let's not pretend that the entire universe was destroyed when Kim and Chakotay altered the timeline. True, 15 years of history were erased, but they were replaced with 15 different years of it. We don't know how much better, or not, that the new history will be. But the universe is still there, and life goes on.
The analogy of being shot in the head does not apply either. In that case, death is absolutely certain. Not here. There is no way to be 100% certain that any one individual, or group of same, will be dead in the new timeline who was alive in the original. Indeed, there is every reason to believe that there will be less death, since Voyager's crash will be prevented...
No one with half an ounce of common sense or comprehension of the ramifications would wish a person good luck resetting the last fifteen years of everyone's life.
Particularly not when the one wishing that person good luck is a starship captain whose mission it is to stop that person from doing what they plan to do.
La Forge is a obviously a shitty captain who should stick to replacing isolinear chips and stalking women via the holodeck.
Particularly not when the one wishing that person good luck is a starship captain whose mission it is to stop that person from doing what they plan to do.
La Forge is a obviously a shitty captain who should stick to replacing isolinear chips and stalking women via the holodeck.
First rule of Hostage Negotiation... Keeping the fuck talking.
Maybe Geordie was just talking out of his ass stalling for time, while his shitty marksmen kept missing their mark (Janeyay never missed her Mark.), because as long as Kim and Chakotay were distracted it would take them "just a little longer" to destroy reality.
MLB, dude. If the universe you're sitting is demolished by a paradox, and "God" builds a new one to replace it (and you). A version of you has been killed but don't fuss, they have an exact duplicate waiting who swears to gravy that he is you and can live up to, fulfil all your obligations, just like the first runner up at a beauty pageant. So what if you weren't swept under the temporal rug and you had to compete for living space with this exact duplicate who thinks he's you. Are you so secure and happy now, that if you should somehow die, that there's exact duplicate of you at the beach right now, who is more than happy to step into your life and treat it like your death is the best thing in the world and start boffing your wife (who is also a duplicate. Which brings up a question of fidelity, are your friends allowed to hit on a clone of your wife since they've been so well behaved with the real thing to always only keep eye contact with her eyes when... You don't think your friends covet your mrs? Men are pigs.I bet half of them have drawn erotic cartoons about what they want to do with all their friends wives and aviator goggles.).
Remember that awful 7th Day (6th day?) movie about Clones? And everyone thought that the technology was fantastic, that they were practically immortal because clones just kept popping up seconds after everyone died... Until at the end and a clone showed up early "Why arn't you dead yet! Hurry up and die, die, die, die! It's my life now! Die!"
Maybe Geordie was just talking out of his ass stalling for time, while his shitty marksmen kept missing their mark (Janeyay never missed her Mark.), because as long as Kim and Chakotay were distracted it would take them "just a little longer" to destroy reality.
MLB, dude. If the universe you're sitting is demolished by a paradox, and "God" builds a new one to replace it (and you). A version of you has been killed but don't fuss, they have an exact duplicate waiting who swears to gravy that he is you and can live up to, fulfil all your obligations, just like the first runner up at a beauty pageant. So what if you weren't swept under the temporal rug and you had to compete for living space with this exact duplicate who thinks he's you. Are you so secure and happy now, that if you should somehow die, that there's exact duplicate of you at the beach right now, who is more than happy to step into your life and treat it like your death is the best thing in the world and start boffing your wife (who is also a duplicate. Which brings up a question of fidelity, are your friends allowed to hit on a clone of your wife since they've been so well behaved with the real thing to always only keep eye contact with her eyes when... You don't think your friends covet your mrs? Men are pigs.I bet half of them have drawn erotic cartoons about what they want to do with all their friends wives and aviator goggles.).
Remember that awful 7th Day (6th day?) movie about Clones? And everyone thought that the technology was fantastic, that they were practically immortal because clones just kept popping up seconds after everyone died... Until at the end and a clone showed up early "Why arn't you dead yet! Hurry up and die, die, die, die! It's my life now! Die!"
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Eh?
Who's to say that Geordi won't become a captain in the 'new' timeline? He certainly could.
Talking about Harry. Sure he could be a captain in another timeline, but that's why noone reprimanded him, THAT Kim no longer existed to reprimand.
(and ther only time he gets a rank other than ensign 'never happened')
And never will happen.
Imagine you've travelled back in time, and you have Hitler at gun point in 1933.
He's only just been "elected" chancellor and hasn't really had the opportunity to do anything really wanky yet... Do you shoot him for crimes he's destined to commit? Or do you have absolutely no faith in the man to not make the same choices given the same opportunities...
It is in Harry Kim's character to destroy the universe if he feels he's justified and more entled than everyone else in the universe, becuase he is more important than the collective happiness of the universe.
He's done it twice.
He'll do it again.
Every one happy with their life "right then" is petrified that Harry Kim will exterminate their way of life for the most pathetic and selfish of reasons.
Given another Captaincy?
The little *#^% is lucky not to be halo dropped into Auckland.
Imagine you've travelled back in time, and you have Hitler at gun point in 1933.
He's only just been "elected" chancellor and hasn't really had the opportunity to do anything really wanky yet... Do you shoot him for crimes he's destined to commit? Or do you have absolutely no faith in the man to not make the same choices given the same opportunities...
It is in Harry Kim's character to destroy the universe if he feels he's justified and more entled than everyone else in the universe, becuase he is more important than the collective happiness of the universe.
He's done it twice.
He'll do it again.
Every one happy with their life "right then" is petrified that Harry Kim will exterminate their way of life for the most pathetic and selfish of reasons.
Given another Captaincy?
The little *#^% is lucky not to be halo dropped into Auckland.
But what if that gunperson going to kill her hostage, is only going to kill that hostage if China doesn't get out of Tibet, or possibly some achievable goal?
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
But then you ask if it's alright to sacrifice a thousand to save a million, or is it ethical to sacrifice a million to save a billion?
The needs of the many do not out weigh the needs of the few.
How few?
Or even the one?
If you could sacrifice one starship with only a 150 people on it, and not even kill them, just get them out of the lime light for 15 years, which would stop the Borg Invasion of 2380ish some of us have bothered to read about in the novels that killed literally billions of Federation citizens, would you?
Is that the most inhuman thing in the world someone could do when playing god?
Is forcing Janeway to explore the Delta Quadrant seeking out new worlds and new civilizations to bodly go where no one has been before, to do her (*&^ing job, the act of a complete bastard if it saves billions?
But unknowingly and ignorantly murdering those billions to shorten Voyagers trip home is the work of a saint surely.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
But then you ask if it's alright to sacrifice a thousand to save a million, or is it ethical to sacrifice a million to save a billion?
The needs of the many do not out weigh the needs of the few.
How few?
Or even the one?
If you could sacrifice one starship with only a 150 people on it, and not even kill them, just get them out of the lime light for 15 years, which would stop the Borg Invasion of 2380ish some of us have bothered to read about in the novels that killed literally billions of Federation citizens, would you?
Is that the most inhuman thing in the world someone could do when playing god?
Is forcing Janeway to explore the Delta Quadrant seeking out new worlds and new civilizations to bodly go where no one has been before, to do her (*&^ing job, the act of a complete bastard if it saves billions?
But unknowingly and ignorantly murdering those billions to shorten Voyagers trip home is the work of a saint surely.
Perhaps again Geordi was just weighing the chances making the statement 'Good Luck' having it's physics in mind- that is Geordi in TNG.
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Or perhaps he's just pissed off with Starfleet?
In the Bridge Officers exam (Which I am insisting is standard and not personalized for each ship or examinee, because it's funnier.) the only way to win is to murder him. Every officer in Starfleet has wacked Geordie LaForge.
It was probably Leah Brahms revenge for turning her into a sex doll.
But after a thousand drunk ensigns have bumped into him and said some bollocks like, "Hello, didn't I kill you?" until even this gerbil dope is ready for a little genocide.
In the Bridge Officers exam (Which I am insisting is standard and not personalized for each ship or examinee, because it's funnier.) the only way to win is to murder him. Every officer in Starfleet has wacked Geordie LaForge.
It was probably Leah Brahms revenge for turning her into a sex doll.
But after a thousand drunk ensigns have bumped into him and said some bollocks like, "Hello, didn't I kill you?" until even this gerbil dope is ready for a little genocide.
Speaking of Timeless...how did Chuckles and Kim know for sure that Voyager crashed and everyone was dead?
They saw it get thrown out of the slipstream, but that was it. It could have survived, and carried on it's journey. It had never been found, doesn't mean they were dead, yet harry repeatedly talks about how he 'killed them all'. For all he knows, they're about to rock up in Earth orbit!
They saw it get thrown out of the slipstream, but that was it. It could have survived, and carried on it's journey. It had never been found, doesn't mean they were dead, yet harry repeatedly talks about how he 'killed them all'. For all he knows, they're about to rock up in Earth orbit!
Do you think Kim waited for 15 years on purpose?
That's how long it took them to find Voyager.
Though really, finding Voyager, stealing Borg tech, sending a message back which will destroy them, rather than stepping back in time personally and surviving the destruction of their universe to make all the changes they needed to is a real stupid way to play the game.
That's how long it took them to find Voyager.
Though really, finding Voyager, stealing Borg tech, sending a message back which will destroy them, rather than stepping back in time personally and surviving the destruction of their universe to make all the changes they needed to is a real stupid way to play the game.
I figured that they just hadn't gotten the methods to send the message or travel back in time until now....but yeah, someone must have found it or Harry and Chak's wouldn;'t know where to look.
Earth according to wikipedia is 27 thousand light years form the galctic centre.
So unless Voyager is deep into the beta quadrant hugging the border with the Alpha Quadrant, Kim just said that Janeway was still in the Delta Quadrant (Or less likely the Gamma Quadrant.) almost/about 30 thousand lightyears from earth.
I seriously believe that Berman and his puppies did really understand that once Voyager got into the Alpha Quadrant it was still 20 years dwardling to get to Earth.
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