Holmes: "Deerstalkers are cool".
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Holmes: "Deerstalkers are cool".
I wished they'd filmed 'The Geek Interpreter'. The story's on Dr Watson's website. And that counter is still stuck at 1895.
Talking of throwaway gags, that counter is another one. It's the publication date of one of the novels, but the fact that it's now stuck to be "always 1895" is probably a hat-tip to a poem by Vincent Starrett (a well-known Sherlockian) about Holmes & Watson that ends with a line using that phrase. (must admit, I didn't know that until I googled the phrase "always 1895" together with some other terms).
Ok sorry to bring back the deerstalker again (it is damn cool), but I was wondering if a fellow Sherlockian can help me.
I remember listening to an interview with Orson Wells, where he mentions that the classic presentation of Sherlock Holmes (deerstalker, Inverness cape, curved pipe) and his mannerism (you know the whole "Elementary, My dear Watson") was due to the stage production of Sherlock Holmes (hence the sight gag where Cumberbatch picks up the deerstalker in a theatre.). Well I was reading Wikipedia, and the Holmes entry mentions the deerstalker was first shown in an in illustration in Strand magazine ("The Boscombe valley mystery"). Can anyone clear up the discrepancy.
Also is Watson's hat a shout out to Edward Hardwicke
I remember listening to an interview with Orson Wells, where he mentions that the classic presentation of Sherlock Holmes (deerstalker, Inverness cape, curved pipe) and his mannerism (you know the whole "Elementary, My dear Watson") was due to the stage production of Sherlock Holmes (hence the sight gag where Cumberbatch picks up the deerstalker in a theatre.). Well I was reading Wikipedia, and the Holmes entry mentions the deerstalker was first shown in an in illustration in Strand magazine ("The Boscombe valley mystery"). Can anyone clear up the discrepancy.
Also is Watson's hat a shout out to Edward Hardwicke
I have not read the article, but I have heard the fail was upset about the nude scenes in the episode,they were so upset that they printed pictures of the nude scenes.
I have not read the article, but I have heard the fail was upset about the nude scenes in the episode,they were so upset that they printed pictures of the nude scenes.
Zoomed in too, or so I've heard...
the Beeb's response? No one has complained and it's going out unedited in an earlier slot. I like that response.
It's in the Boscombe Valley story. Just took a quick snap for you (sorry, scanner is down).
However, Holmes would NEVER have worn such a get-up around town. It is purely country wear (note the illustration has them in a train travelling to Boscombe Valley). Around London, all the Paget illustrations show him appropriately dressed in city clothes typical of the era.
The deerstalker outfit may well have been popularised and made iconic by the stage production you mention however; I don't know.
Thanks for the image but do you know if the illustration was in the first printing or after 1899. Sorry for being anal but it surprises me that Orson Wells (who is a huge SH fan) and Moffit would get it wrong.
Yeah I never understood that. I can understand the deerstalker since it's associated with country living and hunting but I've seen people wear Inverness capes in the city in Victorian and Edwardian eras.
The blurb in the book claims that all the illustrations used are from the original Strand stories. For reference, the book is Chancellor Press' Sherlock Holmes Complete Illustrated Short Stories, a 1989 edition. They claim that the original Strand Magazine illustrations "are reproduced by kind permission of the City of Westminster: Sherlock Holmes Collection, Marylebone Library", if you want to investigate the source further.
Inverness coats can be used in the city, and are actually quite formal, especially in black. They can be worn with white or black tie, for example. Inverness capes in tartans/plaids are informal and country wear. It's difficult to be sure from the illustration but it appears to be have the longer cape at the back rather than the shorter one of the more formal coat. This would be consistent with the plaid pattern that's visible. Over time, of course, there was an increasing blurring of the boundaries, so invernesses in plaids could be used in the city. But Holmes is never depicted doing this.
(PS. this is all within the English tradition. I believe that in Scotland, Highland Dress includes the possibility of a tartan Inverness in formal situations. Not sure though).
EDIT: on closer inspection of the illustration, I don't think that's an Inverness at all! It's actually a caped Greatcoat (possibly an Ulster). The difference is the sleeves. Invernesses have open sleeves, but that illustration clearly has set-in coat sleeves.
EDIT 2: what you're referring to seeing in Victorian/Edwardian products is probably also an Ulster (or Great) coat, not an Inverness. Ulsters were acceptable in either city or country IIRC.
EDIT 3: just had a thought. It could be that the stage production popularised the use of an Inverness, whereas the Boscombe Valley illustration simply uses another type of coat as mentioned above. That would square the circle, allowing both OW/SM to be correct about the stage production being first use of an Inverness, and Boscombe Valley merely showing him in a superficially similar plaid coat. Would have to see the stage production coat to know for sure.
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Thanks for the info. I guess it's just a myth that everybody accepts is true.
I noticed that too. It's also not checkered. It makes sense though since the entry only mentions the deerstalker.
I'll have to disagree. I can tell the difference between a long coat and an Inverness cape since they look so different.
My photo is poor, sorry. It is actually plaid (I assume that's what you mean by checkered?); the illustration is clearer on this. I didn't realise the entry you were talking about only mentioned the deerstalker; I assumed it talked about the coat too. In that case, ignore my 3rd edit in the post above!
Fair enough!
Slightly off-topic but I see BC has been cast as the villain in the next Trek movie.
Thinking more about this I remember him saying in interviews he didn't want to do Doctor Who because he didn't want to be on the side of Lunch boxes but surely this role will turn him into a Toy and loads more.
Doing a big film like this might also kill the possibility of him being the Next Doctor as I doubt he would take that role with his career taking off in Hollywood.
Doing a big film like this might also kill the possibility of him being the Next Doctor as I doubt he would take that role with his career taking off in Hollywood.
Please God, not another ****ing Romulan.
I'd go with that, but I'd prefer Garth or Kodos.
Me and the missus just watched the final episode of series one (I know people will remember the name, I can't) and in relation to Moriaty's accent, she said it was a typical RTE accent (the Irish equivalent of "BBC English") also known as a Dublin accent and didn't really change that much.
I didn't think he'd ever play the Doctor after playing Sherlock, as the two are too alike. He's a brilliant Sherlock and would be a brilliant Doctor but we'd know what to expect from him as the Doctor. The joy of e.g. Matt Smith's Doctor was we didn't know what he'd be like.
They said on the commentary Moriarty is an Irish name, and they wanted to have an Irish accent for once.