new style movies are crap

[showwild]

Well the new start trek movies are a load of crap, how could the startrek people allow this ?
Why could they just use the original style and frame work of the charactors with out reworking them, after all it works for films such as james Bond where different actors play the role, (even if the style is slightly different), the main concept stays the same, in the same frame work.
So what now in the startrek universe, if the Kirk age as changed, will there be no picard age, or vovager age, etc, or do all these now need to be rewritten to suit this new time line ?
If the director and writers didn't like the old Kirk version of "Star Trek", they could have created another captin and crew to write about.
Maybe they can correct there messing in the next film by putting the charators back close to how they where originally in the series.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Speak for yourself. I've been a Trekkie my entire life, and I thought the last Star Trek movie was utterly fantastic.

 

[BillJ]

Speak for yourself. I've been a Trekkie my entire life, and I thought the last Star Trek movie was utterly fantastic.

I'll add in that I found it aggravatingly average. Not good, not bad... just kinda there.

 

[Robert D. Robot]

This same discussion launched -yet again- with an angry, provocative tone? I guess- to use a saying often used in a different universe, "All this has happened before, and all this will happen again."

Sorry, OP- but your facts are uncoordinated. Here are the facts:
1) The movie was not crap;
2) You obviously don't like the movie;
3) Most people who did see Star Trek XI did enjoy the movie;
4) Original Kirk is untouched back in the "original" Universe. Original Kirk still somehow miraculously incapacitated "his" Gorn captain using an old log stuffed with stuff, Picard is the same as he sits and sips his Earl Grey Tea, Yeoman Rand still spends several hours each morning piling her hair up, and Data still can not use contractions (except for the times that he can) etc., etc., and etc.

Relax. Breathe deeply.

Your opinion is that the new movie is crap. My opinion is that it was a decent movie, one of my top three Trek favorites. The fact is that this is a new take on Trek that leaves all original adventures and all original trivia unharmed and intact. This "solution" to the storytelling being trapped by a heavy universe of often contradictory (and sometimes silly) minutia and is fine by me and I am looking forward to the next movie.

How many Batmans (Batmen?) have we had? How many Supermans? Dorothys spending time in Oz? Hamlets? Juliets?...... I can enjoy more than one flavor of TOS Star Trek, too. I do not want Trek to die with Doohan, Kelley, Roddenberry and -eventually- "The Rest".

Start out by saying you did not like the movie and why. Proclaiming incorrectly that the movie is "a load of crap" in your first sentence is not the way to start a nice, reasonable, and constructive discussion.... assuming that was your intent.

 

[The Castellan]

4) Original Kirk is untouched back in the "original" Universe. Original Kirk still somehow miraculously incapacitated "his" Gorn captain using an old log stuffed with stuff, Picard is the same as he sits and sips his Earl Grey Tea, Yeoman Rand still spends several hours piling her hair up, and Data still can not use contractions (except for the times that he can) etc., etc., and etc.

But will we ever SEE that universe ever again? And I don't mean just in novels. That's my biggest concern.

 

[BillJ]

4) Original Kirk is untouched back in the "original" Universe. Original Kirk still somehow miraculously incapacitated "his" Gorn captain using an old log stuffed with stuff, Picard is the same as he sits and sips his Earl Grey Tea, Yeoman Rand still spends several hours piling her hair up, and Data still can not use contractions (except for the times that he can) etc., etc., and etc.

But will we ever SEE that universe ever again? And I don't mean just in novels. That's my biggest concern.

No we won't. That chapter of Trek's life is over. No creative people are going to want to be hand cuffed by forty years of continuity. Just like the next TPTB will more than likely not want to be hand cuffed by the creative decisions of current producers.

It is what it is.

 

[The Castellan]

Oh joy....no more intelligent, enjoyable stories, and way more action flicks....oh joy.

Feels more like pissing on a legacy, more like it.

 

[BillJ]

Oh joy....no more intelligent, enjoyable stories, and way more action flicks....oh joy.

Feels more like pissing on a legacy, more like it.

Well, there are plenty of DVD's to watch.

I wonder if people were saying the same things when watching some of the other Trek films?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Oh joy....no more intelligent, enjoyable stories, and way more action flicks....oh joy.

Feels more like pissing on a legacy, more like it.

Take up reading.

 

[Kemaiku]

Lamest troll ever.

 

[Avon]

i'd rather watch a flashy shiny brainless action film than something like insurrection.

 

[Set Harth]

It's possible the new "start trek" movies are a load of crap.

I wouldn't know.

Because I haven't seen any "start trek" movies. I don't even know what "start trek" is.

I've seen Star Trek movies, but that's a different story.

 

[SeerSGB]

i'd rather watch a flashy shiny brainless action film than something like insurrection.

I must be in the minority, in that I like Insurrection-- other than the fact that it felt more like a TV movie size story over a big screen one.

Speak for yourself. I've been a Trekkie my entire life, and I thought the last Star Trek movie was utterly fantastic.

I'll add in that I found it aggravatingly average. Not good, not bad... just kinda there.

I'm pretty much like this.

Except for my dislike of the nuEnterprise and beer-brewery sets. Aside from that, it really wasn't much worse than "Nemesis" and felt cookie-cutter. Nothing to really hate, cause there's not really much there to begin with.

Oh, I'll give the movie it's due: Spock was actually a pretty interesting character in the movie, catching the tone of the inner conflict that was touched upon in TOS and some really nice Father/Son moments between him and Sarek.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Well the new start trek movies are a load of crap...
...Maybe they can correct there messing in the next film by putting the charators back close to how they where originally in the series.

No.

Oh joy....no more intelligent, enjoyable stories, and way more action flicks....oh joy.

Abrams's Star Trek was easily as "intelligent" as the previous Trek movies, and more enjoyable for Trek fans than a number of them. Certainly it was enjoyed by more moviegoers.

 

[Franklin]

Oh joy....no more intelligent, enjoyable stories, and way more action flicks....oh joy.

Feels more like pissing on a legacy, more like it.

We have the characters intact and refreshed. Isn't that enough? The last time we saw these folks in anything original, they were in or nearing their sixties.
To that end, with the original characters back near their primes, what is the difference be between an enjoyable new story in the Abramsverse v. one in the TOS timeline?
Problem is, Gene Roddenberry is long dead, Bennett and Meyer ran their course, and Berman et al ran out of ideas. ST09 may have had problems, but at least in my opinion, Abrams was far more true to the legacy than a lot of other contemporary producers would have been if any of them had been given the chance to reboot Trek.

Also, "intelligent, enjoyable stories" is problematic. There's also, "The Way to Eden", "Spectre of the Gun", "Spock's Brain", "The Omega Glory", "And the Children Shall Lead", TFF, and so on. It was NOT all good in that universe, either.

 

[Greg Cox]

Okay, my New Year's resolution is to avoid taking the bait and wasting any more time arguing with purists who just can't get over the fact that that the old TREK isn't coming back. (Except in the books, of course!)

No doubt I will break this resolution some day, when somebody says something really silly ("The real Kirk would never have casual sex!") on a day when I need an excuse to procrastinate, but for now I think I'll go read a book, or maybe go discuss AMERICAN HORROR STORY or something . . . .

Happy New Trek!

 

[Kemaiku]

Well I know I have better things to do for the next year and a half than argue with the likes of WarpedBrain9 until the movie comes out.

But until I get over the flu I'm stuck in bed and might as well amuse myself.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I dunno. Sometimes threads like this are just what I need. I really enjoyed that last one, about nuTrek vs. Nemesis....

"The science is wrong! None of you are real fans! You can't time travel through a black hole!"

*posts link to real-life theories about black holes and time travel*

"Modern theories are wrong! Only Gene Rodenberry saw the truth! I read The Physics of Star Trek!"

 

[Greg Cox]

Well I know I have better things to do for the next year and a half than argue with the likes of WarpedBrain9 until the movie comes out.

But until I get over the flu I'm stuck in bed and might as well amuse myself.

Fair enough!

 

[Psion]

i'd rather watch a flashy shiny brainless action film than something like insurrection.

I must be in the minority, in that I like Insurrection-- other than the fact that it felt more like a TV movie size story over a big screen one.

Speak for yourself. I've been a Trekkie my entire life, and I thought the last Star Trek movie was utterly fantastic.

I'll add in that I found it aggravatingly average. Not good, not bad... just kinda there.

I'm pretty much like this.

Except for my dislike of the nuEnterprise and beer-brewery sets. Aside from that, it really wasn't much worse than "Nemesis" and felt cookie-cutter. Nothing to really hate, cause there's not really much there to begin with.

Oh, I'll give the movie it's due: Spock was actually a pretty interesting character in the movie, catching the tone of the inner conflict that was touched upon in TOS and some really nice Father/Son moments between him and Sarek.

I agree with you on both Insurrection and Trek 09. I'd also add that I thought it was pretty gutsy to destroy Vulcan, I enjoyed Anton Yelchin's Chekov, and Karl Urban gave an amazing performance as McCoy. And on the negative, I thought it was stupid to hand the keys of the Enterprise to such a young and inexperienced officer at the end of the movie. A quick flash-forward would have smoothed that out nicely.