As a composer, The music was the best thing about the film to me, but I found that it wasn't too good either. The main theme basically fell apart upon relistening to it. The story fell apart as soon as I saw it though. I'm sure the acting was great for 150 million but I wasn't looking for that. Concept is king in Hollywood. they know that. They're just delusional is all. All of a sudden they think they are great sci fi writers. All of those bad Robot Lost people keystone cops sons of suits. You can have it. I'm guessing you like glitz and glamour then. If they out sourced the story, they might have a better shot at it but that'll never happen because of the name of the game - $$$$$$$$.
Anachronistic Views May Kill New Trek Series From The Start
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It's a common trope/cliche in storytelling, especially in Trek. "OMG! The (fill in tech) has failed!!!! I'll have to go manual". Still, it was well scripted, performed and filmed.
Funny, I find Spock's death to be humorous because of the direction and Nimoy's performance. The dialog isn't bad though and Shatner did better the Nimoy in the scene. The Enterprise death scene in III had a bigger impact on me.
So you did see the whole film?
So how did the story "fall apart"?
So you don't look at acting in a film???? Good acting and direction can save a film with a weak script.
"Keystone cops sons of suit"? Once again I gotta ask, what does that even mean? Random phrases mashed together to sound deep, philosophical and writerly isn't working for you.
I like lots of things. Narrow minded thinking is too limiting. Some glitz and glamour here. Some mind blowing concept there. A little stark dialog driven film making here. Some SFX mind candy there. Some I can them all in one film.
Why would they "outsource" the story when they were hired specifically to write a Star Trek film??? I doubt they think they are "great SciFi writers". I've never heard them make such a claim. Of course, even though some greats have written some Trek, being a SciFi writer, let alone a great one, has never been required to to write a good Trek film or episode.
I hope your music is better composed than your posts. Somehow the idea of a xortex score makes me think of cans tied to a dog's tail.
The set up for the story had no pay off. It was basically a moustache twirling villian and something about Spock being late to deliver some red matter and a giant space drill. That doesn't sound like Spock. When he says he's gonna do something on time, you can bet your bottom dollar he'll come through. Oh, sorry, you already bet your bottom dollar. I still have mine. Spock's got your dollar now in the bank.
You don't like "moustache twirling villians" (sp)? So no Khan? No Kruge? No Chang? No Soran? No Borg Queen?
Odd, most people complain that Nero was underplayed. That he lacked the over the top scenery chewing of the best Trek villains.
Nah, Spock screws up all the time. Latimer and Gaetano can tell you that, oh wait they can't because Spock got them killed.
Spock is fallible. It's a source of drama on the series. Anyone who watches and understands Star Trek should know this. Spouting numbers that include a decimal point doesn't make him always in time.
it just means he's good at math. He's bad at the unexpected though.
Spock has also dealt with more than one screwed up timeline, and up until now, has immediately begun calculations for a time warp to enable him to go back and repair the damage. THIS Spock doesn't seem to have a clue about that sort of thing.
That tells me that we're not even dealing with the same Spock in the first place, or the same timeline.
That tells me that we're not even dealing with the same Spock in the first place, or the same timeline.
Nah, that tells you the writers weren't going for a reset and were setting the stage for new adventures.
Spock also knows that when you try and fix things sometimes you lose things. (Yesteryear). He also is aware its a alternate reality and his reality is safe. He can't get back to his own reality and time anyway.
Trek is neither anti-tech (replicators!) nor, despite having originated in the 1960s, pro-tech as you think it should be. Technology is neutral, it can be used for good and bad things and Trek is not hard but soft sci-fi that deals more with social issues.
We live in a period in which we have to solve more and more problems on a worldwide level. United Earth / UFP is more relevant than ever.
I never said it was blanket anti-tech but to claim it has never been anti specific uses of technology and there effects on society is to never understood the aesop of at least a two or three dozen episodes across the series.
I'm sorry but this is one of the least informed thing I have seen all thread. The last five years have shown us that multinational states and globalization cause more problems than they solve. The global economic crisis would not be happening if it were not for global markets and the entire Eurozone Fiasco are a result of uniting countries that never should have been united in the first place.
Haha, that's like saying those damn North American colonies should have never been united because all they did was give the Brits major headaches.
Actually the sovereign debt crisis in the Euro zone is caused a) by the socialization of public debts aka bail-outs during the financial crisis, b) a pseudo gold standard inside Europe which makes it impossible for European countries to conduct an independent monetary policy which would enable them to devaluate their currency to get out of deep sh*t and c) the unwillingness of the ECB to play the same role as the Fed, be a lender of last resort.
Such institutional mistakes have nothing with "uniting countries that never should have been united in the first place." Of course you don't have to explain the facts, you can simply try to make them fit your view of the world but I couldn't care less about ideological nonsense.
Back to the main topic, if there is any anachronistic view in here it is precisely such a reactionary attitude. Who cares about stupid technology, Trek is about humans first uniting with themselves and then uniting with aliens and it is antithetical to a xenophobic, Paxton-esque "don't unite what doees not belong together in the first place" position.
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You might have accidentally agreed with each other there.
There are similarities to Yesteryear. In both Spock himself (because he was time traveling) was isolated from the effects of the changes in the timeline, In both Amanda died prior to the future date she "should have."
If Spock's reality was safe in ST Eleven, then it would have also have been just as safe in Yesteryear. Both would have been alternate timelines. Going back to save the life of Amanda was a prime motivator in Yesteryear, but now the stakes are higher, billions of lives are in play.
One (not the only one) of the stated reasons Spock was trying to prevent the destruction of Romulus was the political repercussions, the supernova threaten the galaxy. Nero destroying 47 Klingon warship has to have some effect to the Federation/Klingon/Romulan political balance of the alternate universe. In Yesterday's Enterprise, the destruction of a single Klingon colony plunged the Klingons into a war with the Federation. Despite appearances the Klingons aren't completely stupid, if they had the Narada for decades, they would have eventually figured out she was Romulan. That she was a future civilian mining vessel might not have made a difference to the Klingons, Thousands of their people were dead.
Also, Spock worked for decades toward reunification between the Vulcanoids (Vulcans and Romulans) in the galaxy, The Romulans had a Star Empire, not just a single home world. This is one of the reason that I think that original Spock in ST Eleven will try to return to his original universe, The original universe Romulans will need him more than ever. Hard to see him abandoning his life's work.
Don't think he can even get back? We're talking about Spock here!
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