Ideas for my Trek/Dr. Who Crossover

[The Castellan]

Also, you might say this and that about Hoagland being either a nut or rogue, he's had a list of credentials as well....like being science advisor to CBS News and Walter Cronkite, recipient of the Angstrom medal, co-creater of the Pioneer plaque, originator of the Europa Proposal, being the youngest man to curate a planetarium, and a personal hero of mine. Not what one could call a 'tin foil hat wearing crackpot' I'd say.

Most of his "credentials" have been either inflated by himself, or are just completely false. I'd suggest you read this site, especially the link to Hoagland's credentials:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/hoagland/index.html
Actually, for that matter, I'd suggest you read the entire Bad Astronomy site.

I could say the same about NASA.
The stuff of his I've read about and listened to work just fine from what I've delved into. So, no thanks.

 

[Captain Robert April]

Oy gevalt...

 

[Kaiser]

Nice uniforms

 

[The Castellan]

Nice uniforms

Tankies, hope I'll be able to get the male version shortly, otherwise Mr. Hartford is going to have to find something else to wear on board.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

The uniforms have a bit of a 70s vibe too, if you gather my meaning. At least to my eye.

Like TMP without the untucked shirttail look and footie pajama... things.

 

[The Castellan]

The uniforms have a bit of a 70s vibe too, if you gather my meaning. At least to my eye.

Like TMP without the untucked shirttail look and footie pajama... things.

Well, I remember a few of the girls on TMP actually had ankle boots with wedge heels as well. There's a short girl on the bridge, during the V'ger cloud journey with that variant of the uniform.

Anyhow, I want to avoid the more military Meyer look as much as I can.

Here's a few more, and you can take a looksie at the uniforms some more. I don't have the male version yet, so had to give Walter something else until I get a hold of it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/Primacron/Action5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/Primacron/Action6.jpg

 

[Kaiser]

looks nice so far

 

[The Castellan]

looks nice so far

Since there is a story I got in mind with my crew being stranded in the SW universe for a time, gonna pull what I call a reverse JJ on the SW universe, hence why Vader is all bulked up in there.

Still wondering if I should make Walter medical or science or engineering.

 

[JES]

Well, with my own Cydonia research, I found TONS of mathematical redundancies, ranging from cosigns, tangents, tetrahedral geometry, etc. You really mean to tell me that all this redundancy, as well as what IR readings have shown, alongside what appears to be ribbed, glass tubes emerging from the sands of Mars, that all this is a mere coincidence? I don't believe that whatsoever.

Oh yeah, I familiar with the anomalies of Mars. I think that these anomalous objects merit more attention than they have received. NASA should be putting more effort answering once and for all whether or not these objects are of artificial origin. If the rumors and theories are true, it would be a heyday for archeology, provide all the reason needed for a manned expedition to Mars, and inspire a whole new generation of archeologists. This is the same reason that I think that the supposed artifacts on Luna merit more investigation. And if there is any technology in these ruins, they could improve our own science. Granted that if TPTB believe that we should approach these ruins with caution, I won't disagree with them. I think it would be prudent to first send in probes chalk full of sensitive equipment to check for any booby traps, and make sure there isn't anything locked in these ruins that should stay locked away.

It just makes me infuriated with who or whatever is trying to cover-up these existence of these extraterrestrial ruins, because I have a burning curiosity! I just want the history behind these ruins! Who built them?! What is the function of these ruins?! When were they built?!

And I mentioned Japan because the geologists and the archeologists were practically at each others throats, and it finally took the discovery of some statuary to finally shut the geologists. And I want to bring up something....the Brookings report made right when NASA will still be put togather...which was a report done by the famous Brookings institute was made by a think-tank of many of the top egg heads from all fields of study, from scientific, cultural, economic, and social areas..and it stated, which I disagree with, that when we explore space and the enviable discovery of the evidence of intelligent, alien life.....be it ruins from long gone civilizations, or the ET's themselves, it would destroy human society....religious, scientific and economic institutions would collapse, everyone would go nuts and kill each other or themselves, and the most devastated people of them all would be scientists and engineers, for they would no longer bu the highest masters over nature, and so on. And if you don't believe me, look it up, it's a lot of reading, but it's there. And before someone says, "But it's a 50+ year old document, we would not be following that policy anymore!" Well, there's a little thing called the Constitution of the United States of America, and the first amendment itself is is only a handful of words from the thousands of words the entire document....and we still hold dear to this document, more than 200 years after it's been written. The Brookings report is many pages, so get yourself some coffee when, or if you plan to read it.

I suppose that the Brookings report might be right about what would happen if we encountered a superior extraterrestrial civilization. Unless we knew their intentions towards us, as a society, we wouldn't know what to do, and if they were hostile, most of society would either panic, unite together to try and survive, or panic first and then try to unite and fight them off (by which time any hostile extraterrestrial civilization would probably be nigh impossible to defeat).

I think that even if they appeared to be benevolent, we shouldn't exactly just give them free reign to come and go as they please. We should deal with them in a friendly and courteous, but cautious manner, and make them earn our trust. We should maintain our independence, and if they offer us their technology and advice, it might not be a bad idea to accept both, but we should try to (slowly and cautiously) learn how the technology works and learn how to manufacture it ourselves, and to try to take any advice they give us that can benefit all of us.

I think that this is the mistake that society made in the Twilight Zone episode To Serve Mankind. At first, they treated the aliens (the name of their race which I've forgotten) with skepticism, but once the aliens gained mankind's trust, they practically surrendered to the extraterrestrials. Instead of examining the technology that the aliens gave mankind, and trying to improve their civilization, they practically let the aliens do everything for them. Instead of letting the aliens fly them to their planet, mankind should have only sent ambassadors at first while trying to build ships themselves, so they could attempt to coexist with the aliens on the same level. I think it was because mankind dropped their guard, that they became easy prey for the aliens.

I think the best way to conduct business with other races would be similar to how mankind did in the Star Trek universe. Humanity accepted friendly relations with the Vulcans, set up an embassy, etc, and at time accepted aid, but also maintained a sort of independence. It is perhaps for this reason that those in charge of covering up the existence of extraterrestrial life won't stop until after we have developed FTL technology of our own, and can visit other civilizations on our own terms, though if our own FTL technology were developed in secret from recovered or stolen extraterrestrial technology, there is no telling when there will be a disclosure, or if it will be voluntary or because the press finally decides to uncover the truth themselves.

I disagree with the Brookings report regarding the finding of ruins of extraterrestrial origin, unless there was a live extraterrestrial civilization close by. The religious institutions might not do so well if the finding contradicts their doctrine, but I believe that they would either adapt to incorporate the new findings into their institutions, or become obsolete and die out (though that would be their own fault, and what ever would happen is inevitable). The Vatican has already admitted to the possibility of extraterrestrial life, so I think they would survive. A few groups of fanatics and lunatics might panic and do something stupid, but unless there are any groups that have a fanatical belief against the existence of extraterrestrial life and would try to end the world themselves, I think society as a whole would be just fine, and that any fear would quickly be replaced by awe, fascination, and curiosity. As a species, we are curious by nature, and would be very hungry for any knowledge that extraterrestrial ruins might provide us. Especially if I'm any example to go by; I'm STARVING to know what knowledge that all of these alleged ruins might hold!

Also, you might say this and that about Hoagland being either a nut or rogue, he's had a list of credentials as well....like being science advisor to CBS News and Walter Cronkite, recipient of the Angstrom medal, co-creater of the Pioneer plaque, originator of the Europa Proposal, being the youngest man to curate a planetarium, and a personal hero of mine. Not what one could call a 'tin foil hat wearing crackpot' I'd say.

Oh yeah, I think Hoagland is one of the individuals who has talked in Ancient Aliens.

And I still don't see why my papers the teach ripped up would be wrong and him right. About every hundred years or so, a new concept or way of thinking comes that pretty much pisses off the status quo or established way of thinking. Copernicus, Galileo when said the earth went around the sun, the authorities had them arrested or made to look like cooks, it took years before what they spoke of to be taken as fact. Or look how far JP Morgan and that other assho, er, business man, Thomas Edison (he was a ruthless business man first, and a man of science second) went to destroy Tesla when he was trying to come up with a source of energy that was clean, safe, and most importantly, free. Same goes for the following:

The Earth is flat
Man can not fly
Man will never reach the moon

These were mainstream ways of thinking, to the point that folks saying otherwise were labeled either lunatics or heretics. And if you wanna see violations in mainstream physics, I got two examples:
1: The launch of the first US probe, it went hundreds of miles further than it should have, the rocket engines and fuel just could not have done it.
2: All the gas giants of our solar system have a hexagonal shaped storm at the north poles, going opposite the direction of rotation.

Hell, those were topics that were part of my papers that the fat f*ck tore up.

Oh yeah, I think Edison is the reason behind why the fuses of light bulbs wear out, and you have to change them: so you have to buy more. I hate that! It is so annoying having to change them. I keep forgetting to change the main light for my room!!

I'm certainly glad I've never had your teacher, and I hope I never will. If he ripped up one of my papers, I don't know if I would have walked back to my seat in embarrassment and shame, or yelled at him for tearing up my work without reading it first!

And Albertese, you yourself said that the formation of what you saw in the picture I showed you would be ultra rare, and the odds to that, especially to what else I've seen on Mars, its moons, our moon, Iapetus and several other example in our solar system would be like having a bag full of hundreds of coins one collected randomly from the sidewalk over time all dated the same year...and that's just me being conservative. From what I have seen there, with so much geometry, someone built that thing. Remember what Sagan once said, if looking for intelligent life, look for the geometry ...and I can see a whole lot of it in that picture alone. And the White house said they have no saying on UFO's and ET's with no information to give....yet we got military guys openly admitting to UFO's stopping by and essentially shutting down their nukes and missile silos.....kinda contradictory, eh?

Yeah, don't you just like it when the military and White House contradict each other? If there is one thing I just hate, it is being lied to! Granted that I'm usually forgiving if provided a good reason!

And no one stated that 2012 is the end of the world. From my own studies, and those of many others, it's more of the end of an era...a new beginning of how we could look at and see things, a new way of thinking. Personally, I look forward to a year from now. 2012 with it being the end of the world is more of a 'fear porn' campaign than anything else, same with so much fear porn about comet Elleneen, calling it a doomsday comet or whatever....no. Hell, even NASA said it was one of those comets that once it passes by us, we'll never see it again, ever....yet the guy who actually discovered it said the opposite.

I'm not worried about the world coming into an end in 2012, I'm just worried that most of humanity, much less the civilization we've built won't be here come 2013.
I fervently hope to God, with all my heart, that you are right, and that there won't be any kind of massive destruction on December 21st next year, and that all that I know and love will still remain. But I'm kind of holding my breath here, and will probably let out a big sigh of relief if nothing bad happens.

And, while this might piss off a few Trekkies, I feel Gene might have known something, along with Lucas, Spielberg and Clark. Part of Brookings said something of a "conditioning" program to in a way get folks ready so they won't go crazy and kill each other when the day we learn of the existence of alien life, past or present. Look how scifi changed over the years....from before the 60's, it was aliens wanting to kill, rape, enslave or eat us....and from the 60's onwards, it was humanity and aliens working, living, even loving together. Plus I see little kids, with pictures of the now classic gray alien on their shirts, toys and so on. Kinda like what Gorkon said in ST6, that major change would be the hardest on the older generations, the younger ones, like the gen-x'ers, little kids, teens, and so on would handle it by saying, "Yep, we know! Ain't it cool?! " and the like. I even remember some of Gene's stories, like Who Morns for Apollo, The Paradise Syndrome, Patterns of Force and so on where man's development was effected by alien visitations in the past, or vice versa. It's been a huge theme with Doctor Who and Brookings with the aforementioned conditioning to get people ready and avoid 'culture shock' in 2001: A Space Oddessy. And I don't see it hard to envision, several hundred to several thousand years ago alien travelers with advanced technology and/or abilities coming to Earth, and they being thought of as gods or other deities. The Native Americans, especially, talk about beings from the sky visiting them, teaching them, helping them. Maybe the origins of angels and maybe even Christ himself could be alien in origin. I seen many Renaissance paintings showing weird vehicles, looking a lot like the UFO's seen in the sky today. Plus the Nazca lines, those pictures that only one can see from in the sky...plus, with my own theories of the face on Mars, being left there for someone to see it...I mean a mile long face on a planet that the mainstream says should not be there, would be an attention getter. Same with our odd development...first we're sitting in caves, eating bananas and picked lice out of our butts, and then in a super short time, making pyramids....and then it all goes slow again until around less than 200 years ago we go from horse and buggy to all the advances we supposedly done in a short time...I mean our tech spiked over the past 100 years alone. I feel that we either were helped, or that we got it from someone else in other ways. That's how I feel on the topic.

Now that I think about it, seeing as how much science fiction was way back when, it would make sense to cover up the existence of another extraterrestrial civilization. When I think about the Prime Directive, it makes sense not to reveal the existence of extraterrestrial life until a civilization is collectively mature enough that they would approach this logically. I'm not unfamiliar with the idea that those in charge of the cover up have set up a program where society as a whole is conditioned to react towards the relevance of alien life in a positive manner, as opposed to panicking and not knowing what to do.

I think that originally, those in charge of the cover up intended to tell the public when they felt we were mature enough, but I think that now they fear how the public might react when they find out that they have been lied to all this time. I think that as a society we have evolved enough to handle the truth, but I think that those who are maintaining the cover-up are fearful of how we would react when all of their secrets come to light. But I also think that the longer that they try to maintain the cover-up, the bigger a hole they dig for themselves, and the more negative of a reaction that they might receive. And the longer they wait, the more likely that someone might find enough evidence to finally convince the news media that there is a cover-up, and I most certainly wouldn't want to be one of those in charge of the cover-up if that happened.

 

[publiusr]

As for the Mars items..

The only thing I thought was funny--in this picture--is a partial image of my home state of Alabama, right above the numeral 6 in the bar at the center bottom of this page
http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/cyd-geom.jpg

Heh--not surprising what with my state's involvement in SLS and stratolaunch

Kidding of course...

But you could use Cydonia for the Baker episode of Pyramids of Mars fictionally...

 

[The Castellan]

Oh yeah, I familiar with the anomalies of Mars. I think that these anomalous objects merit more attention than they have received. NASA should be putting more effort answering once and for all whether or not these objects are of artificial origin. If the rumors and theories are true, it would be a heyday for archeology, provide all the reason needed for a manned expedition to Mars, and inspire a whole new generation of archeologists. This is the same reason that I think that the supposed artifacts on Luna merit more investigation. And if there is any technology in these ruins, they could improve our own science. Granted that if TPTB believe that we should approach these ruins with caution, I won't disagree with them. I think it would be prudent to first send in probes chalk full of sensitive equipment to check for any booby traps, and make sure there isn't anything locked in these ruins that should stay locked away.

It just makes me infuriated with who or whatever is trying to cover-up these existence of these extraterrestrial ruins, because I have a burning curiosity! I just want the history behind these ruins! Who built them?! What is the function of these ruins?! When were they built?!

And I mentioned Japan because the geologists and the archeologists were practically at each others throats, and it finally took the discovery of some statuary to finally shut the geologists. And I want to bring up something....the Brookings report made right when NASA will still be put togather...which was a report done by the famous Brookings institute was made by a think-tank of many of the top egg heads from all fields of study, from scientific, cultural, economic, and social areas..and it stated, which I disagree with, that when we explore space and the enviable discovery of the evidence of intelligent, alien life.....be it ruins from long gone civilizations, or the ET's themselves, it would destroy human society....religious, scientific and economic institutions would collapse, everyone would go nuts and kill each other or themselves, and the most devastated people of them all would be scientists and engineers, for they would no longer bu the highest masters over nature, and so on. And if you don't believe me, look it up, it's a lot of reading, but it's there. And before someone says, "But it's a 50+ year old document, we would not be following that policy anymore!" Well, there's a little thing called the Constitution of the United States of America, and the first amendment itself is is only a handful of words from the thousands of words the entire document....and we still hold dear to this document, more than 200 years after it's been written. The Brookings report is many pages, so get yourself some coffee when, or if you plan to read it.

I suppose that the Brookings report might be right about what would happen if we encountered a superior extraterrestrial civilization. Unless we knew their intentions towards us, as a society, we wouldn't know what to do, and if they were hostile, most of society would either panic, unite together to try and survive, or panic first and then try to unite and fight them off (by which time any hostile extraterrestrial civilization would probably be nigh impossible to defeat).

I think that even if they appeared to be benevolent, we shouldn't exactly just give them free reign to come and go as they please. We should deal with them in a friendly and courteous, but cautious manner, and make them earn our trust. We should maintain our independence, and if they offer us their technology and advice, it might not be a bad idea to accept both, but we should try to (slowly and cautiously) learn how the technology works and learn how to manufacture it ourselves, and to try to take any advice they give us that can benefit all of us.

I think that this is the mistake that society made in the Twilight Zone episode To Serve Mankind. At first, they treated the aliens (the name of their race which I've forgotten) with skepticism, but once the aliens gained mankind's trust, they practically surrendered to the extraterrestrials. Instead of examining the technology that the aliens gave mankind, and trying to improve their civilization, they practically let the aliens do everything for them. Instead of letting the aliens fly them to their planet, mankind should have only sent ambassadors at first while trying to build ships themselves, so they could attempt to coexist with the aliens on the same level. I think it was because mankind dropped their guard, that they became easy prey for the aliens.

I think the best way to conduct business with other races would be similar to how mankind did in the Star Trek universe. Humanity accepted friendly relations with the Vulcans, set up an embassy, etc, and at time accepted aid, but also maintained a sort of independence. It is perhaps for this reason that those in charge of covering up the existence of extraterrestrial life won't stop until after we have developed FTL technology of our own, and can visit other civilizations on our own terms, though if our own FTL technology were developed in secret from recovered or stolen extraterrestrial technology, there is no telling when there will be a disclosure, or if it will be voluntary or because the press finally decides to uncover the truth themselves.

I disagree with the Brookings report regarding the finding of ruins of extraterrestrial origin, unless there was a live extraterrestrial civilization close by. The religious institutions might not do so well if the finding contradicts their doctrine, but I believe that they would either adapt to incorporate the new findings into their institutions, or become obsolete and die out (though that would be their own fault, and what ever would happen is inevitable). The Vatican has already admitted to the possibility of extraterrestrial life, so I think they would survive. A few groups of fanatics and lunatics might panic and do something stupid, but unless there are any groups that have a fanatical belief against the existence of extraterrestrial life and would try to end the world themselves, I think society as a whole would be just fine, and that any fear would quickly be replaced by awe, fascination, and curiosity. As a species, we are curious by nature, and would be very hungry for any knowledge that extraterrestrial ruins might provide us. Especially if I'm any example to go by; I'm STARVING to know what knowledge that all of these alleged ruins might hold!



Oh yeah, I think Hoagland is one of the individuals who has talked in Ancient Aliens.



Oh yeah, I think Edison is the reason behind why the fuses of light bulbs wear out, and you have to change them: so you have to buy more. I hate that! It is so annoying having to change them. I keep forgetting to change the main light for my room!!

I'm certainly glad I've never had your teacher, and I hope I never will. If he ripped up one of my papers, I don't know if I would have walked back to my seat in embarrassment and shame, or yelled at him for tearing up my work without reading it first!



Yeah, don't you just like it when the military and White House contradict each other? If there is one thing I just hate, it is being lied to! Granted that I'm usually forgiving if provided a good reason!

And no one stated that 2012 is the end of the world. From my own studies, and those of many others, it's more of the end of an era...a new beginning of how we could look at and see things, a new way of thinking. Personally, I look forward to a year from now. 2012 with it being the end of the world is more of a 'fear porn' campaign than anything else, same with so much fear porn about comet Elleneen, calling it a doomsday comet or whatever....no. Hell, even NASA said it was one of those comets that once it passes by us, we'll never see it again, ever....yet the guy who actually discovered it said the opposite.

I'm not worried about the world coming into an end in 2012, I'm just worried that most of humanity, much less the civilization we've built won't be here come 2013.
I fervently hope to God, with all my heart, that you are right, and that there won't be any kind of massive destruction on December 21st next year, and that all that I know and love will still remain. But I'm kind of holding my breath here, and will probably let out a big sigh of relief if nothing bad happens.

And, while this might piss off a few Trekkies, I feel Gene might have known something, along with Lucas, Spielberg and Clark. Part of Brookings said something of a "conditioning" program to in a way get folks ready so they won't go crazy and kill each other when the day we learn of the existence of alien life, past or present. Look how scifi changed over the years....from before the 60's, it was aliens wanting to kill, rape, enslave or eat us....and from the 60's onwards, it was humanity and aliens working, living, even loving together. Plus I see little kids, with pictures of the now classic gray alien on their shirts, toys and so on. Kinda like what Gorkon said in ST6, that major change would be the hardest on the older generations, the younger ones, like the gen-x'ers, little kids, teens, and so on would handle it by saying, "Yep, we know! Ain't it cool?! " and the like. I even remember some of Gene's stories, like Who Morns for Apollo, The Paradise Syndrome, Patterns of Force and so on where man's development was effected by alien visitations in the past, or vice versa. It's been a huge theme with Doctor Who and Brookings with the aforementioned conditioning to get people ready and avoid 'culture shock' in 2001: A Space Oddessy. And I don't see it hard to envision, several hundred to several thousand years ago alien travelers with advanced technology and/or abilities coming to Earth, and they being thought of as gods or other deities. The Native Americans, especially, talk about beings from the sky visiting them, teaching them, helping them. Maybe the origins of angels and maybe even Christ himself could be alien in origin. I seen many Renaissance paintings showing weird vehicles, looking a lot like the UFO's seen in the sky today. Plus the Nazca lines, those pictures that only one can see from in the sky...plus, with my own theories of the face on Mars, being left there for someone to see it...I mean a mile long face on a planet that the mainstream says should not be there, would be an attention getter. Same with our odd development...first we're sitting in caves, eating bananas and picked lice out of our butts, and then in a super short time, making pyramids....and then it all goes slow again until around less than 200 years ago we go from horse and buggy to all the advances we supposedly done in a short time...I mean our tech spiked over the past 100 years alone. I feel that we either were helped, or that we got it from someone else in other ways. That's how I feel on the topic.

Now that I think about it, seeing as how much science fiction was way back when, it would make sense to cover up the existence of another extraterrestrial civilization. When I think about the Prime Directive, it makes sense not to reveal the existence of extraterrestrial life until a civilization is collectively mature enough that they would approach this logically. I'm not unfamiliar with the idea that those in charge of the cover up have set up a program where society as a whole is conditioned to react towards the relevance of alien life in a positive manner, as opposed to panicking and not knowing what to do.

I think that originally, those in charge of the cover up intended to tell the public when they felt we were mature enough, but I think that now they fear how the public might react when they find out that they have been lied to all this time. I think that as a society we have evolved enough to handle the truth, but I think that those who are maintaining the cover-up are fearful of how we would react when all of their secrets come to light. But I also think that the longer that they try to maintain the cover-up, the bigger a hole they dig for themselves, and the more negative of a reaction that they might receive. And the longer they wait, the more likely that someone might find enough evidence to finally convince the news media that there is a cover-up, and I most certainly wouldn't want to be one of those in charge of the cover-up if that happened.

I personally feel Brookings was a MISTAKE. Because first...lemme give you a quick history lesson. Governments and military will give you the old routine of saying that they have to take away your rights, freedoms, privacy, and knowledge so that they can 'protect' us. Look at post 9-11, stuff ranging from the Patriot Act, phone tapping, and all that B.S. Once you lot a government and military do stuff like this, they will want more...and Brookings pretty much done that....knowledge, my friend, is power, and once you give them power, they can not resist playing god. Also, I do NOT think we'd all go crazy and kill each other if we know the truth. Many religions, including Islam, not only believe that alien life is a possibility, but an inevitability. From my own studies, the only religion that would really be suffering would be the Evangelical Christians, especially in the "Bible Belt" area. And the bible itself has UFO/alien references and such, many of which are actually illustrated in Renaissance era paintings, though the references in the bible are conveniently ignored by the Evangelicals. And apart from a FEW tiny groups who might pull a Heaven's Gate if learning the real truth of alien life, it would be so small...and besides, I say if man goes crazy and destroys himself, just because he can't handle being on the top of the totem pole....then mankind deserves everything that happens to him. Also, Brookings have artificially kept us back from having something wonderful...we could have probably have a society already out in space, now.....not merely being in a shuttle in low orbit for the past 30 years, pretty much just twittelling our thumbs, doing nearly nothing. Also, I see no justification in maintaining a policy that, according to witnesses to major UFO events, like Roswell and similar...being threatened with bodily harm by the military/cia people, even threatening to harm their children, even threatening the children themselves. I'm sorry, but that's WRONG on so many levels....we are THEIR bosses, not the other way around...and I am also not pleased our tax money helps maintain this way of policy. Also I see no reason for having a self imposed prime directive...hell, that's one element of Trek I highly criticize. And often, the ones who make policy like this are not the pot bellied, seat warmers that we elect...the ones who make these policies are often heads of various agencies and departments, and those guys are not elected, they are appointed, so no one can kick those guys out of their positions. Like Colin Powell's dog of a son, who was appointed head of the FCC. He went on that infamous 2004 decency crusade, and implemented a lot of policy that was unconstitutional. Anyhow, I also feel that we can't go on this artificially induced ignorance of our own cosmos. What would you rather have: The turth, no matter how impacting, telling you "Yes, there is life out there....more intelligent life that you can imagine, and that we can be there, be a part of them, live with them, be with them......or we can be left in ignorant bliss, slaving away at our monotonous, boring, miserable lives....worrying about trivial issues.....oil, the idea that fundamentalist Arabs want to kill you at every street corner, who got kicked off Dancing with the Stars, Repubs and Demos behaving in manners of that of spoiled children, and pretty much be in a dark, dusty corner of the cosmos no one gives a damn about.....I sure as hell know which one I want. And I think Kennedy, the only president that I felt actually cared about people, a president that people liked, was killed by those who want to protect Brookings....because 10 days before he was murdered, he and Khrushchev agreed to make a JOINT venture into space, not as rivals, but as allies. They planned to have both sides go together to the moon, see what's there, and share anything they'd find and bring back. Would also have ended the cold war. But, Kennedy was killed less than a fortnight later, and Khrushchev was removed from office and pretty much spent the rest of his life under house arrest. Sows also that presidents are not the be-all, end-all of the political system, them only being on a need to know position. I feel that the Brookings Institute, NASA, and anyone else involved, instead of doing mankind a service, did the opposite and are ruining us. And I feel sorry for folks at NASA who probably don't even know about Brookings, or are made to follow such a secrecy policy...they think they themselves are doing humanity a service...they might not even know what's going on.

And as for us getting the truth, it's gotten so far that government and military will probably never disclose willingly. Only by either a HUGE sighting, one that no one can deny (Manhattan sighting last year, no one panicked, no one head heart attacks, or committed suicide) or someone really messes up, or does the right thing. As I mentioned, people from the military are now starting to speak openly about what they saw.

In a nutshell, what we see in the sky are three things...either one we are being lied to about them.

1: They are ours, we made them. By the way they move, they don't run on unleaded, and run on a superior energy source...one we could be using. We are being lied and denied to...and stuck with old fashioned mineral slime.
2 They are alien. And with the White House saying they have no say and no knowledge on them.....yet folks in the military are talking openly of their own ufo/alien encounters.....the Vatican saying belief in alien life does not negate the belief in god (something they've the opposite of for years) and many other countries (UK, South America, Japan, France, etc) releasing formally classified documents of UFO's...many of which can be explained conventionally....but there's also a good amount that could not and still can't be explained. Yet America is NOT doing that, for some reason....they seem to insist on not releasing anything, and just twittel their fat thumbs. Whatever it is, something is being hidden, distorted or denied here in America especially.
3: Mix of both.

And you say they hide the truth because they gonna have to fess up and so on....could also be wanting to keep the control.....Ted Turner himself once said "power is greater than sex!" Look how much the dictators of Egypt and Libya fought when the people wanted to kick them out. Same here, I think. It's an old story, and for anyone to say that we are somehow immune, simply because, "It's America!" shows how historically ignorant some people, especially Americans, can be. And I am an American, so no one bother the "love it, or leave it!" speech, I've heard that one so many times since I was 12.

2012 is not going to be the end of the world, you gotta stop listening to the fear porn, and for god's sake, turn off that television and do your own research, look at documentation, do your own studies. Plus a little less reality TV and Fox News will do a good for anyone.

 

[The Castellan]

As for the Mars items..

The only thing I thought was funny--in this picture--is a partial image of my home state of Alabama, right above the numeral 6 in the bar at the center bottom of this page
http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/cyd-geom.jpg

Heh--not surprising what with my state's involvement in SLS and stratolaunch

Kidding of course...

But you could use Cydonia for the Baker episode of Pyramids of Mars fictionally...

Publiusr, maybe someone knew of Cydonia, before 1976? As I mentioned, a big theme with Doctor Who was that man's development was affected by alien visitations.

Anyhow, I'll have more CGI images put up shortly.

 

[The Castellan]

My idea when my characters visit a Klingon ship for Xmas....as you can see, the Klingon captain was really, really, really thrilled at their visit. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/Primacron/KlingonXmas.jpg

 

[Kaiser]

My idea when my characters visit a Klingon ship for Xmas....as you can see, the Klingon captain was really, really, really thrilled at their visit. XD http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/Primacron/KlingonXmas.jpg

awesome all he needs now is some bloodwine and his thing like Worfs hes wearing is awesome

 

[The Castellan]

My idea when my characters visit a Klingon ship for Xmas....as you can see, the Klingon captain was really, really, really thrilled at their visit. XD http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/Primacron/KlingonXmas.jpg

awesome all he needs now is some bloodwine and his thing like Worfs hes wearing is awesome

He'd probably just want the chicks to go home.

 

[The Castellan]

Here's my character, Cassy, in action.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/Primacron/Action7.jpg

 

[Kaiser]

very cool

 

[The Castellan]

My Cassy, once again.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/Primacron/Action8.jpg

 

[Kaiser]

sexy

 

[The Castellan]

Here's some more possible ideas.
Now my stories are going to be much more exploration oriented, though there will be a few fights now and again. And here is an idea as to an antagonist. A possible group of Tal'Shiar agents, with this one in charge of them: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/Primacron/Action10.jpg The picture has some poke-through in her tunic, but this is just a playing around picture, not meant to be really used.

The Tal'Shiar ship: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/Primacron/Action11.jpg

Another beauty shot of my crew's ship: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/Primacron/Action12.jpg

And some more of the Doctor Who elements I am going to use:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/Primacron/Action9.jpg