ReadyAndWilling
Fleet Captain
ok, i just finished watching 'cyborg she' and it was really great. is ghost in the shell 2.0 similar to this?
Ghost in the Shell 2.0 anyone seen this?
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Might take advantage of it, come next payday. I'm wondering if either of the 2 Kodansha Published volumes includes the "Volume 1.5" though, or should I buy that as well? I don't want miss anything but I don't really want to buy it twice if they also include it.
What person who actually wants enjoyment out of their anime actually watches cheap American dubs?
I came to Ghost in the Shell through the brilliant Stand Alone Complex, and like zakkrusz, when I eventually saw the original film, it did not do a whole lot for me. Innocence was amazing, though-- visually magnificent if nothing else.
I came to Ghost in the Shell through the brilliant Stand Alone Complex, and like zakkrusz, when I eventually saw the original film, it did not do a whole lot for me. Innocence was amazing, though-- visually magnificent if nothing else.
Wouldn't that be trolling?
How about expensive American dubs?
How about people who can't read very fast? Or are dyslexic to varying degress? Or have poor eyesight and have trouble seeing the subtitles on a TV across the room? Or would rather watch the beautiful artistry of the images than read subtitles and miss much of it? Or people that really don't give a shit about the original actors? Or people who get enjoyment out of it regardless of the dubbing? Or people who watch anime for the art rather than the acting? Or people who aren't snobs?
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With anime, I generally watch both versions when available, dubbed and subbed. I find it improves my understanding and gives me a fuller experience. Particularly for something intellectually complex and dense with ideas like GitS or Serial Experiments Lain. Hearing the same ideas expressed in two subtly different ways (since English translations often alter the phrasing to fit the lip movements) -- sometimes three different ways if I hear Japanese words I recognize -- can clarify them for me.
And sometimes the English dubs include actors I like. Indeed, there's been at least one case where I found the lead Japanese voice actress's performance to be painfully annoying and pretty much had to go with the English dub instead.
Though it isn't Japanese anime, I must confess that I insist on watching the film Renaissance with the English voice cast.
There's just no way I'm going to dis Daniel Craig and Jonathan Pryce.
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As far as I know they are separate publications, but I'm not certain.
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I have no problem with expensive American dubs; that is why I specifically mentioned cheap ones. Stand Alone Complex and Patlabor (the two animes I watch the most) are both painful to watch in English because the voice actors are stilted and awful.
Yes, so have I. What is your point exactly? I'm not complaining about all dubs, just bad ones.
Okay, it seemed you were being an anime snob and denigrating people who preferred dubs, in general.
If not, never mind.
Personally, I don't read so fast and I'm a tad dyslexic (I was kinda describing myself in my post). So I can't always read every sub as it goes by, and I really hate having to be distracted from the pretty pictures. I'm an artist - seeing it is more important to me.
If not, never mind.
Personally, I don't read so fast and I'm a tad dyslexic (I was kinda describing myself in my post). So I can't always read every sub as it goes by, and I really hate having to be distracted from the pretty pictures. I'm an artist - seeing it is more important to me.
I agree the dub cast on GitS:SAC is a little stilted with the line readings, but some of them have very nice voices, particularly Mary McGlynn.
ReadyAndWilling
Fleet Captain
which ones should i be watching then? what are the exact names of the movies?
There is a re-edited version of the first movie called 2.0! The one you linked to is a sequel, it has some pretty good CGI in it, but overall it felt a bit overdone compared to the original movie. The DVD version should have different audio tracks. Like the others, I recommend the original Jaopanese language version with English subtitles.
1)Here is a comparison of the original film and 2.0 version(same film, but updated by the producer): http://blog.affenheimtheater.de/200...shell-20-trailer-poster-und-vergleichsbilder/
2)The sequel, titled "Innocence". http://www.asianblurayguide.com/detail/292/ghost_in_the_shell_2_innocence_anime_usa/
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ReadyAndWilling
Fleet Captain
ok, so which ones do i watch so it's in the right order?
Okay, it seemed you were being an anime snob and denigrating people who preferred dubs, in general.
If not, never mind.
Nope, just people who persist in watching bad ones for no apparent reason. (I'll admit I hadn't thought of the dyslexia thing.) I'll watch a dub if I've heard it's good. (Though whoever told me that about Princess Mononoke lied.)
Actually, the creators of Stand Alone Complex went out of their way to make a detective show that's as talky and cerebral as it is action-packed. I don't see any stilted-ness as the actors' fault. They're all very good.
But yeah, especially Mary McGlynn.
Believe it or not, I don't think it really matters. Personally though, I'd watch the films (GiTS & GiTS II: Innocence) first then work my way through the series and end on Solid State Society. SO basically in the order in which they were released.
As others have pointed out though, they're two very different animals. The films tend to be more focused on the main characters' introspection and are both replete with not terribly subtle symbolism while the actual plot takes a back seat. Also, despite the fact that the first film inspired more than one iconic action scene from The Matrix, both the films are surprisingly slow paced. There's a whole 10-15 min sequence right smack in the middle of the first film where the main character literally does nothing but watch passers-by.
The SAC series on the other hand is a more typical action/sci-fi/anti-terrorist cop show in terms of pacing. It still has allot of the cyberpunk themes of the movies, but it the episodic nature of the series allows it to be presented in a more balanced way. Plus they have blue tanks that talk in high pitched, childlike voices...trust me, it make more sense in context.
As far as the Ghost in the Shell 2.0 thing is concerned...I think it was unnecessary and you won't miss anything by skipping it. While at the same time if you don't have access to the original version, I don't think 2.0 will detract from the experience either. Think of it this way: imagine if all George Lucas did for the Star Wars Special Edition was to re-render the animation from the Rebel briefing and Luke's targeting screen and change the colour of the wire-frame from green to orange...that's about it.
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