Well, I applaud your attempts and it does demonstrate it can be done and should be done!
The Salvation of the Final Frontier
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Well, I applaud your attempts and it does demonstrate it can be done and should be done!
From what I understand a lot went wrong with the making of this movie.
There is a fan edit called This Other Eden by BionicBob. I haven’t seen it and wasn’t aware of its existence until just now. It was released in April.
I’m going to check it out.
I’m going to check it out.
Where can you view this?
You can download the .dlc container here, then use JDownloader to download the movie.
I’m downloading right now. Looks like it will take about 1.5 - 2 hours to download.
I’m downloading right now. Looks like it will take about 1.5 - 2 hours to download.
That's true, and it's pretty obvious on screen, but RAMA is right. Even if the film's production had gone off without a hitch, the root of the problem is the story and screenplay. The WGA strike affected re-writes, but it all started with a lousy premise and fell apart from there.
I agree there is a lot wrong in the screen play. But I do like the premise and I do like the idea of a renegade Vulcan stealing the Enterprise on the quest for God. I also like the relationships between the main characters, especially Kirk, Spock & McCoy.
For all the movie's problems, I never had a problem with that. Never, not one.
Tend to think the objection comes from this notion that older women cant be sexy.
And it presumes all the guards are a) heterosexual men or b) lesbians
There are things about the movie I thought were fine, and other things that just made me wonder.
There had to be more going on than just "removing peoples pain" to get them to betray their loyalty to Kirk and Starfleet. A line toward the end of the film that Sulu, Uhura, Chekov and others had in some way "been released" I thought would have explained a lot about the secondary character actions.
Have Kirk ask Spock why in the shuttle bay he didn't simply shoot Sabok in the leg and crack him over the head? And have Spock give some kind of answer. McCoy was right there and sick bay was nearby.
While the god they found was a false god, during the course of the film have Kirk experience/go through a personal spiritual journey or reawakening as a counter point.
Did McCoy actually kill his own father? Or was that something that Sabok put in his head?
And did Sabok really die when he entered the false god? The film left this unclear, I mean we never saw him again, but how and why?
Having the planet of peace be in existence for (twenty?) years was excessive, a shorter time period would have worked just fine and would have fit into the usually understood timeline better. How about four or five years.
I thought the bookends of the two camping scenes were great. Spock having a half brother was okay. The Enterprise being the only ship availible again? How far way is it to this planet, and could there be a reason presented for a ship in Earth orbit being the ship given the assignment. The Enterprise could have been taking shore leave on a planet nearby instead. The often mentioned elevator shaft (CGI over the numbers?) the tallest section of Enterprise shaft would be eleven decks.
Many of my problems could be fixed with some voice over work, of the existing film.
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The film never suggests these are anything but genuine memories. It's probably the best scene in the entire movie and I wouldn't want to diminish the dramatic weight by learning that McCoy only imagined he euthanized his father. Agreed about Sybock brainwashing the rest of the crew, though. That was silly and disrespectful to the characters.
The thing about Sybok is that, is he still considered cannon? He was never mentioned or hinted at before the movie, and to my knowledge never got referenced again. Is it still assumed that Spock did have a jolly hippy brother, or did it never happen?
That's one of the biggest problems with TFF, it has nothing to do with the movie or series continuity and just pulls a nonsensical plot out of the air without accomplishing anything. Who's to say it didn't happen?
That's one of the biggest problems with TFF, it has nothing to do with the movie or series continuity and just pulls a nonsensical plot out of the air without accomplishing anything. Who's to say it didn't happen?
It may not fit with previous continuity but it is canon. Continuity and canon are different. Canon is simply the body of work seen on the big and small screens.
Of Kirk's three mentioned nephews, we later only see one, did the other two get "retcon'ed"
out of existence? I don't think so.
There is too much of Sybok (with a Y) in canon to simply have him disappear, he has a established back story, we know about his very established father, a little about his mother. It's through Sybok that we know that Vulcans have princesses in some way. That Vulcan 's have rebels. We get a little better picture of Vulcans overall through him and this movie.
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out of existence? I don't think so.
There is too much of Sybok (with a Y) in canon to simply have him disappear, he has a established back story, we know about his very established father, a little about his mother. It's through Sybok that we know that Vulcans have princesses in some way. That Vulcan 's have rebels. We get a little better picture of Vulcans overall through him and this movie.
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You say that as though Star Trek isn't totally corny to start with.
So it's demeaning and stupid to their characters not Uhura.
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