TOS series finale

[plynch]

Yeah - I have little experience reading early drafts from writers, but maybe this shows how important story producers/editors are, to get scripts in line with how characters have acted and sounded in all the eps that came before. Note Spock uses a "chop" rather than a pinch, and after the fight the closing lines seem pretty abrupt.

 

[Christopher]

Yeah - I have little experience reading early drafts from writers, but maybe this shows how important story producers/editors are, to get scripts in line with how characters have acted and sounded in all the eps that came before.

Except that in the third season, the producers didn't always know how to do that. Spock was often out of character in third-season episodes, most infamously "The Cloud Minders" where he's mooning over Droxine like a schooboy. And although I love "Requiem for Methuselah," it's weird to see science geek Spock suddenly turn into a liberal-arts expert who plays the piano and recognizes Brahms's handwriting and Leonardo's brushstrokes on sight.

 

[Harvey]

Except that in the third season, the producers didn't always know how to do that.

It's unfortunate that so many of the people familiar with the format had left at that point (Roddenberry, Coon, Justman, Fontana, Solow). Kellam De Forest was still there, but the producers didn't always follow his script notes about the format, often to the detriment of the series.

 

[Christopher]

It's unfortunate that so many of the people familiar with the format had left at that point (Roddenberry, Coon, Justman, Fontana, Solow).

And don't forget John Meredyth Lucas.

 

[BillJ]

Yeah - I have little experience reading early drafts from writers, but maybe this shows how important story producers/editors are, to get scripts in line with how characters have acted and sounded in all the eps that came before.

Except that in the third season, the producers didn't always know how to do that. Spock was often out of character in third-season episodes, most infamously "The Cloud Minders" where he's mooning over Droxine like a schooboy. And although I love "Requiem for Methuselah," it's weird to see science geek Spock suddenly turn into a liberal-arts expert who plays the piano and recognizes Brahms's handwriting and Leonardo's brushstrokes on sight.

I just tend to think of Spock in the third season as a man whose emotional control is slipping and I think it dovetails nicely with where he's at in The Motion Picture.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yeah - I have little experience reading early drafts from writers, but maybe this shows how important story producers/editors are, to get scripts in line with how characters have acted and sounded in all the eps that came before.

Except that in the third season, the producers didn't always know how to do that. Spock was often out of character in third-season episodes, most infamously "The Cloud Minders" where he's mooning over Droxine like a schooboy. And although I love "Requiem for Methuselah," it's weird to see science geek Spock suddenly turn into a liberal-arts expert who plays the piano and recognizes Brahms's handwriting and Leonardo's brushstrokes on sight.

I just tend to think of Spock in the third season as a man whose emotional control is slipping and I think it dovetails nicely with where he's at in The Motion Picture.

So that causes him to take up historical handwriting analysis and art criticism?

Making Spock the "resident expert" always bugs me.

 

[TerragonSix]

Well, he was educated the Vulcan way. Which means I suppose he's a know-it-all.

Actually, according to the movie, "Final Frontier", as they were going back to the ship, Kirk remarked on an old poet line, "Give me a ship and a star to sail by"

Spock immediately said who it was, McCoy argues, but Kirk acknowledges was right.

The good doctor asks how he knows this, and Spock replies, "I have been educated in the classic arts as well."

To which Dr. Mccoy replied, "Then how come you don't know 'Row, Row, Row your boat?'"

There you go.

 

[Harvey]

His expertise in the American West never made much sense to me either, but at least the revised version of "Spectre of the Gun" made that consistent within the episode (an early draft couldn't decide if Kirk, Spock, or both knew about the period).

 

[BillJ]

Except that in the third season, the producers didn't always know how to do that. Spock was often out of character in third-season episodes, most infamously "The Cloud Minders" where he's mooning over Droxine like a schooboy. And although I love "Requiem for Methuselah," it's weird to see science geek Spock suddenly turn into a liberal-arts expert who plays the piano and recognizes Brahms's handwriting and Leonardo's brushstrokes on sight.

I just tend to think of Spock in the third season as a man whose emotional control is slipping and I think it dovetails nicely with where he's at in The Motion Picture.

So that causes him to take up historical handwriting analysis and art criticism?

Making Spock the "resident expert" always bugs me.

Well, if you have no sex and no emotion you're gonna be bored if you don't have some hobbies.

 

[Ssosmcin]

I just tend to think of Spock in the third season as a man whose emotional control is slipping and I think it dovetails nicely with where he's at in The Motion Picture.

I tend to think of McCoy having f**ked up the brain restoration in the premiere and Spock was never quite the same again. That would actually cover a lot...

 

[plynch]

Spock definitely became super-Spock, but I think he kinda was by S2, really.

The infatuation with Droxine (I think! memory prob.'s) on Cloud City doesn't bug me. To like is not the same as an emotional reaction, which is what is anathema to Vulcans as I understand them. He likes music. And science. He finds things beautiful, right? So he really likes her and she fascinates him. Nobody's perfect, and he lets himself go. I'm okay with it. But yeah, i see the point about a better story editor in S3.

 

[T'Girl]

Spock was often out of character in third-season episodes, most infamously "The Cloud Minders" where he's mooning over Droxine like a schooboy.

From Spock's point of view, Droxine was urbane, cultured, educated, reserved, soft-spoken. she comes off as calm and cool, Spock, with his Vulcan up-bring, would find all of these attributes a plus. She definitely possessed a gentle manner.

Apparently Droxine is the kind of woman that Spock is attracted to. We've only seen Spock in a off-duty, private setting with a female on few occasions. Droxine isn't a Starfleet subordinate, Spock is not possessed by an alien, under the influence of the chemicals of some plant, nor experiencing Pon Farr. Far from being out of character, this might be one of the few times we've seen this part of Spock's true character.

Also, physically compare Diana Ewing's Droxine to Zoe Saldana's Uhura. Willowy, slim and slender, small breasted, flat tummy, toned but not muscled. Both actresses were 5' 7". She is Spock's "type."

 

[Nerys Myk]

Poor Christine never stood a chance.

 

[plynch]

Poor Christine never stood a chance.

No.

 

[Scrambo]

In my head, without a finale, the adventures just continue. Nice.

This is my feeling as well.

agreed me too

 

[A.V.I.A.F.]

I have a hard time imagining Spock saying "It is a peaceful little place."

Why? Because it makes him sound unduly sympathetic? Maybe, but then again, look at this line from The Way to Eden:

SPOCK: There are many who are uncomfortable with what we have created. It is almost a biological rebellion. A profound revulsion against the planned communities, the programming, the sterilized, artfully balanced atmospheres. They hunger for an Eden where spring comes.

 

[plynch]

I have a hard time imagining Spock saying "It is a peaceful little place."

Why? Because it makes him sound unduly sympathetic? Maybe, but then again, look at this line from The Way to Eden:

SPOCK: There are many who are uncomfortable with what we have created. It is almost a biological rebellion. A profound revulsion against the planned communities, the programming, the sterilized, artfully balanced atmospheres. They hunger for an Eden where spring comes.

No, because the proposed diction in that TA script doesn't seem Spockian. "Little" is especially colloquial and not accurate. Your excerpt fro TWTE, on the other hand, does sound like Spock normally speacks. At least to my ears.

 

[Captrek]

I have a hard time imagining Spock saying "It is a peaceful little place."

Why? Because it makes him sound unduly sympathetic? Maybe, but then again, look at this line from The Way to Eden:

SPOCK: There are many who are uncomfortable with what we have created. It is almost a biological rebellion. A profound revulsion against the planned communities, the programming, the sterilized, artfully balanced atmospheres. They hunger for an Eden where spring comes.

No, because the proposed diction in that TA script doesn't seem Spockian. "Little" is especially colloquial and not accurate. Your excerpt fro TWTE, on the other hand, does sound like Spock normally speacks. At least to my ears.

Also, I doubt it would occur to Spock's logical mind that corpses need a peaceful environment.

 

[plynch]

Yeah, I mean y'never know, things come out of my mouth that aren't how I usually speak. But there is, therefore, a "usual" way of speaking I usually use.

(That's a lot of "u"s I got used to using in that previous, unusual sentence. You might say they were u-biquitous. Which word prompts me to quit you now.)

 

[The Dominion]

I've always wished that even if it couldn't get a finale, it could have at least gone out on a episode that wasn't an embarrassing piece of crap. The show really got unlucky there.