Gay Marriage? Not in this Bakery!

[Amaris]

For the record, to all those who would suspect I was merely a troll - my initial statements about not responding to any posts last night - and I'm still laughing at the implications that I am somehow REQUIRED to discuss my viewpoints, since I didn't start the thread - had to do with the central fact that I WAS ON A LIBRARY COMPUTER at the time, and knew my time would be running out soon. Moreover, my home internet connection is currently down, and I may choose to KEEP it down. Also, these kind of threads are known to get very intense, and I knew I would not have much time to engage in the requisite back and forth regarding this issue last night, as I was required to work. It was merely a PRAGMATIC issue, not anything having to do with wanting to make driveby statements.

Why would you give your viewpoints, particularly viewpoints that foment shock, dismay and outrage, if you didn't intend to expand upon them? It's not like your statement was a simple matter of taste. "I like pie" doesn't need to be expounded upon, but a statement denigrating people who are gay is most certainly a comment that cannot be made and left to sit without stirring up controversy.

 

[Paradon]

Well, if anybody is interested, my cousin's son is a transgendered. All my gay friends like me and so do my cousin's son. I have him on facebook and we talked all a couple months ago.

 

[IndyJones]

Well, if anybody is interested, my cousin's son is a transgendered. All my gay friends like me and so do my cousin's son. I have him on facebook and we talked all a couple months ago.

Well I'm convinced.

 

[Kommander]

For the record, to all those who would suspect I was merely a troll - my initial statements about not responding to any posts last night - and I'm still laughing at the implications that I am somehow REQUIRED to discuss my viewpoints, since I didn't start the thread - had to do with the central fact that I WAS ON A LIBRARY COMPUTER at the time, and knew my time would be running out soon. Moreover, my home internet connection is currently down, and I may choose to KEEP it down. Also, these kind of threads are known to get very intense, and I knew I would not have much time to engage in the requisite back and forth regarding this issue last night, as I was required to work. It was merely a PRAGMATIC issue, not anything having to do with wanting to make driveby statements.

Why would you give your viewpoints, particularly viewpoints that foment shock, dismay and outrage, if you didn't intend to expand upon them? It's not like your statement was a simple matter of taste. "I like pie" doesn't need to be expounded upon, but a statement denigrating people who are gay is most certainly a comment that cannot be made and left to sit without stirring up controversy.

While it is possible that OldManDax is simply trolling, it is also possible that, because of the perception that this place is full of liberals, that it was just defensiveness. While most people are content to dismiss things as "apparent troll is apparent," I prefer to assume the best about people and then leave it to them to demonstrate whether or not I have overestimated them.

Speaking of which, OldManDax, you stated that you would only respond to reasonable posts about what you have stated. I provided what I believe to be a reasonable response, and yet you have not responded. Do you believe my post to be unreasonable? No one else has indicated whether or not I provided a reasonable reply, so I have only my opinion to go on, and I am occasionally wrong. If your lack of a response is due to your busy schedule and/or the internet connectivity issues you mentioned, I can wait until you are able to respond. I have plenty of homework, reading, and masturbating to keep me occupied until such a time.

 

[RoJoHen]

and masturbating to keep me occupied until such a time.

According to health teacher I once had when I was in high school, masturbation is a symptom of homosexuality.

Imagine what must have been going through all of our heads after he told us that!

 

[Amaris]

While it is possible that OldManDax is simply trolling, it is also possible that, because of the perception that this place is full of liberals, that it was just defensiveness. While most people are content to dismiss things as "apparent troll is apparent," I prefer to assume the best about people and then leave it to them to demonstrate whether or not I have overestimated them.

I tend to think the best of others, and often give multiple chances to be friendly and open, unless they continue to follow a previously established track record.

Speaking of which, OldManDax, you stated that you would only respond to reasonable posts about what you have stated. I provided what I believe to be a reasonable response, and yet you have not responded. Do you believe my post to be unreasonable? No one else has indicated whether or not I provided a reasonable reply, so I have only my opinion to go on, and I am occasionally wrong. If your lack of a response is due to your busy schedule and/or the internet connectivity issues you mentioned, I can wait until you are able to respond. I have plenty of homework, reading, and masturbating to keep me occupied until such a time.

For what it's worth, I considered your reply quite reasonable.

 

[sojourner]

REQUIRED I WAS ON A LIBRARY COMPUTER KEEP PRAGMATIC

Damn, I thought the bolded words were some kind of coded message.

Drink your Ovaltine.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

^ You know, that actually parses. I heard Yoda, squinted my brain, and rearranged the words, to get:

I was required on a pragmatic library computer keep.​

Translation:

They needed me on Memory Alpha.​

You're welcome.

 

[Cyke101]

Why don't you go watch "Queer as Floks" and you tell me what the problem is?

It's a TV show that is only a loose reflection of one part of the homosexual culture!

I'm pretty sad that some people consider that show to be a true reflection of homosexual culture, if only because the main five seem to be merely the personality of one writer split into five characters.

But yes, there's a homosexual culture beyond the bars, the parties, the sex. They're also scientists, parents, athletes, heroes, villains, nerds, fashionistas, explorers, accountants, doctors, nurses, soldiers, pilots, janitors, taxi cab drivers, pro-gun control, pro-gun rights, pro-tax, anti-tax, liberal, conservative, moderate, religious, agnostic, etc. etc. etc.

 

[Mr Silver]

I guess it all comes down to freedom of opinion vs. prejudice. In my head this creates a paradox because the people who openly hate homosexuals and promote how wrong/sinful/disgusting/perverted/ they are to their family and friends will say that they are entitled to voice their own opinion.

Now prejudice is something that isn't tolerated anymore by the majority of the world - yet we also regard the freedom of expression and the right to have an opinion as a sacred human right. This includes voicing said opinions and letting everyone know how you feel about a particular topic, etc. See where I'm going with this?

If you make prejudiced/bigoted opinions against the law, then people who believe the bigoted crap about homosexuality will protest that you are taking away their right to freedom of speech. It's a paradox and one hell of an annoying one.

I think the best thing that anyone can do at the moment is to make it illegal not to deny someone something like a wedding cake based on their sexuality - for any reasons related to their sexuality and you're own personal views upon it.

 

[Cyke101]

I just caught that Paradon said "Queer as Phlox." The guy has three wives, each with three husbands, so I guess that's to be expected

 

[Kommander]

I just caught that Paradon said "Queer as Phlox." The guy has three wives, each with three husbands, so I guess that's to be expected

I, for one, was glad to finally see a positive polyamorous role model on television. Generally, poly people are depicted by the media to be promiscuous, sex-crazed individuals that do not value commitment. It was a refreshing change of pace which I would like to see more of on TV.

 

[RoJoHen]

But yes, there's a homosexual culture beyond the bars, the parties, the sex. They're also scientists, parents, athletes, heroes, villains, nerds, fashionistas, explorers, accountants, doctors, nurses, soldiers, pilots, janitors, taxi cab drivers, pro-gun control, pro-gun rights, pro-tax, anti-tax, liberal, conservative, moderate, religious, agnostic, etc. etc. etc.

This all sounds like crazy fiction to me.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Contrary to the depraved rantings of some on here, it is NOT a settled issue, scientifically, morally and existentially, that homosexuality is as natural as people being born black, latino, a pacific islander, female or whatever else.

Yes, it is proven scientifically that homosexuality is natural and not harmful. For homosexuality to be immoral, it would have to be harmful. As for existentially, who cares?

So, yes, it's settled.

Morality is not limited to harmful vs. non harmful.

Of course it is. Why would I consider something immoral if it's not harmful?

The "problem" (for lack of a better word) with morality is that it's subjective based on the person involved. What one finds moral or acceptable another may find immoral or repugnant. This is because people don't agree on what the source of morality should be. Without being united on who/what determines what is good and what is bad, everyone's viewpoint will be out of sync.

This is totally different than the clear cut, black and white nature of harmful vs. not harmful.

The problem is exactly that: An arbitrary definition of morality based on fear and hatred.

 

[Haggis and tatties]

I'm more disappointed with the lack of cake related pun's in this thread, that would have been the icing on the cake...........oh wait.

I never said they had to be funny.LOL

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I'm more disappointed with the lack of cake related pun's in this thread, that would have been the icing on the cake...........oh wait.

I never said they had to be funny.LOL

At least you can have your cake and eat it too.

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Yes, it is proven scientifically that homosexuality is natural and not harmful. For homosexuality to be immoral, it would have to be harmful. As for existentially, who cares?

So, yes, it's settled.

Morality is not limited to harmful vs. non harmful.

Of course it is. Why would I consider something immoral if it's not harmful?

The "problem" (for lack of a better word) with morality is that it's subjective based on the person involved. What one finds moral or acceptable another may find immoral or repugnant. This is because people don't agree on what the source of morality should be. Without being united on who/what determines what is good and what is bad, everyone's viewpoint will be out of sync.

This is totally different than the clear cut, black and white nature of harmful vs. not harmful.

The problem is exactly that: An arbitrary definition of morality based on fear and hatred.

I fear that most people don't take a rational approach to questions of morality.

 

[iguana_tonante]

^ That's totally obvious and scorchingly sarcastic at the same time.

 

[sojourner]

I just caught that Paradon said "Queer as Phlox." The guy has three wives, each with three husbands, so I guess that's to be expected

I, for one, was glad to finally see a positive polyamorous role model on television. Generally, poly people are depicted by the media to be promiscuous, sex-crazed individuals that do not value commitment. It was a refreshing change of pace which I would like to see more of on TV.

Um, Phlox's wife was depicted as pretty sex crazed and lacking commitment by pursuing Tucker in the episode she was in.

 

[Kemaiku]

^Phlox, his co-husbands and other wives seemed less so, she could just be the Denobulan equivalent of a nymphomaniac, which given their already open sexuality, would be pronounced.

 

[Amaris]

Phlox was always my favorite character on the show anyway.