The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread!

In the original opening you could see Picard or a person in the briefing room. The shot is later used in Encounter at Farpoint.


-Chris

 

i have to say the live action footage looks 100% better in the remastered than it did originally, especially in Far point which always looked like it was shot with a video camera.

Not sure if this will be worth re-buying all 7 seasons.


-Chris

 

Due to my own mental instability, I can't answer the first question about your craziness.

However, the moving figures in the conference room have always been visible to me, even in 1987 when the show first aired.

Doug

 

This alone completely sells it for me:

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s1/1x01/farpoint1_177.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images2/farpointhd_4.jpg

What the hell did they do in the 80s to make the footage look so cheap and overexposed when it actually looks absolutely wonderful?

 

It looks like the colors are more accurate in the HD shot. SD video often produced overly saturated colors, with blooming, etc. I don't know if they changed the color timing for the HD shot, but they definitely made the contrast look more normal.

Doug

 

Transferred it to crappy video.


-Chris

 

Wow looks great!! I am getting really excited for this!

 

Yup, it was always there. My friends and I would point out that person all the time.

Why is it disappointing? CGI should only be used when necessary, it shouldn't be used just because it can. We're getting to see many of the effects in a way they could not have been seen back in the late eighties and early nineties. Goes to show the level of artistry they put into their work.

Now, as far as planets go, yes...they are CGI enhancing those...as they should since they were all low res, and blurry.

 

I like how Paramount is handling their Star Trek HD projects compared to what Lucas did to Star Wars. At least Paramount has preserved the original presentations of the shows. The original series has both versions on blu, and they are reassembling TNG from the original elements, and only using CGI to replace effects that were done on video.


-Chris

 

Wow, you guys must have had way better TV's than I did. That said, In 1987 I was six years old, watching it over the air using bunny ears on a 13" CRT :-)

 

This shot alone is fantastic!!! This should be a really big bluray release.

 

The only thing I don't particularly like here is the diffusion filter look they've chosen. I noticed it originally on the first shot we got of the ship. It causes a kind of glow or halation around the edges of the ship and planet above. Around the planet is appropriate because it looks like an atmosphere, but around the ship, it doesn't make sense. The nacelle lights perhaps, but not around the whole ship.

If you were really photographing a starship in space, why would you put a filter like this on the lens? It certainly wasn't a part of the original miniature photography.

 

Looks great to my eye, and I spent 80 Thousand dollars for NYU film school. Also keep in mind on a 1080p bluray, in motion it will look quite different!

 

It won't be qualitatively different. Sure, in 1080p with higher bitrate it will have less compression artifacting, but that halation/blooming effect will still be there (unless they remove it before release). And we already have this particular shot in motion -- the diffusion filter is present on all 79 frames of that shot. It's also present on the warp-out shot of the ship.

I'm not saying it ruins the shot and is terrible... not at all. I'm just saying it was unnecessary.

 

Uh? I think all modern Trek shows use an overall slight softener effect.

 

If true, perhaps they reckon it looks too obviously like a model otherwise. Looks pretty sharp to me. If I notice any residual fuzziness, I'll put it down to diffraction due to the shields.

 

Did you have eye enhancement surgery? If not I'm not sure how the money you spend for some school has any relevance, it's not like it makes your opinion more valid or important.

The screenshots look good, but I really hope when they release the seasons they will redo some space scenes with CGI and not just recomposite the existing ones. The fat Enterprise and the obviously reused shots have to go.
Recomposited or not, it's ridiculous to see the ship change shape and the same friggin Excelsior next to Enterprise shot over and over again.

They could use multiangle to let the audience choose between recomposited original shots and new scenes.

 

The model looks better than any CGI version of the Enterprise I've yet seen (including the one in Enterprise's These Are The Voyages) - if they do replace some model shots with CGI, they've certainly got their work cut for them.

Anything that isn't live action could be recreated quite easily, I would have thought.

Otherwise, upscaled video and an apology will have to suffice!

 

On the live-action photography, yes... both Marvin Rush and Jonathan West were known to use them -- even more so on DS9. But they were never used during miniature photography when doing the primary beauty light passes. They may have been used when filming the passes for the blue nacelle lights, red bussard collectors, or blue deflector dish... but never for the ship itself.

If you look at the VFX shots from the show, the ships always had a clean edge against the space backgrounds. In other words, no glow or halation around the hull of the ships:

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s1/1x01/farpoint1_017.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s3/3x15/yent049.jpg

This remained the case even in Star Trek: Generations when using the same "Encounter at Farpoint" shots:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/generationshd/generationshd0978.jpg

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But, seriously... I don't want to make this sound like a bigger problem than it is. It's really a minor gripe. It might be all but invisible on my front projection system.