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Dukat = Evil?

GeneHunt

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Just rewatched "Waltz" and Sisko describes Dukat as "truely evil" at the end the episode.

Is he? Seems to me he is just seriously messed up and maybe he does actually believe the Bajorans owe him.

Thoughts on whether its fare to describe Dukat as "truly evil"?
 
When I hear that line I always wish I could ask Sisko: So how come this oh-so-truly evil man sent a signal where Sisko was, letting the Defiant save the good captain?

True evil wouldn't bother.

That said, Gul Dukat was no angel ;)
 
He came very close to being reformed for a while, but he let his ego pull him back down and everything got worse from there on. He was pretty bad, but he also proved capable of attaining an unexpected grey status.
 
depends which season and what version we're talking about. Dukat swung wildly in character through the show's run. Early seasons probably yes, but not TOO evil, middle seasons not really evil at all, to late series, where he was basically a one-dimensional comic book supervillain.
 
The thing about all genocidal maniacs is they always think they're doing good and fighting the good fight and never consider the harm they're doing.

That's as good as definition of evil as any.
 
he's not evil per se to start with. By Waltz he's on the brink, but still redeemable, and then (and this always bugs me about Waltz, cos I don't think it's the deliberate interpretation - we're meant to think he's already evil) ... *Sisko turns him evil*

Seriously, go watch it.

And then after that, once he gets into the pah-Wraith stuff, he's no longer a layered 3D antagonist, but a bog-standard barking mad fantasy villain.

And Sisko makes him so, IMO.
 
Gee, I don't know. Is a man who occupies a foreign country and systematically murders thousands upon thousands of innocent people truly evil?

Gosh, let me think about that for a while.
 
He wasn't the dictator though, he was the general. Even if he stepped down they would have gotten another.

Lots of people have used that logic to justify what they did or didn't do in real wars.
 
He came very close to being reformed for a while, but he let his ego pull him back down and everything got worse from there on. He was pretty bad, but he also proved capable of attaining an unexpected grey status.

In the end, I think it was his choice to become what he was. No matter how much he blamed it on anyone else, it was the corruption in his own heart, resulting from his own evil choices.
 
He wasn't the dictator though, he was the general. Even if he stepped down they would have gotten another.

Oh, so Hans Frank wasn't truly evil then, I suppose?

Lots of people have used that logic to justify what they did or didn't do in real wars.
Yeah. And lots of people are truly evil.

Kinda missed my point, I meant that was what he, and many others, say to feel like they had no choice. And there is a logic there, but it doesn't make them good people either.
 
He wasn't the dictator though, he was the general. Even if he stepped down they would have gotten another.

Oh, so Hans Frank wasn't truly evil then, I suppose?

Lots of people have used that logic to justify what they did or didn't do in real wars.
Yeah. And lots of people are truly evil.

Kinda missed my point,

No, I understood your point just fine. Your point is just wrong. Saying "I was just following orders" does not mean that Dukat was not truly evil.
 
Being the head of a brutal occupation, constantly changing his allegiance within the Cardassian government, selling out his people to a foreign imperialistic power with himself as head Warlord, and then trying to unleash a species of immortal demons to burn the Galaxy with himself as their mortal emissary, however, does.
 
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