Deanna Troi on DS9?

[Rush Limborg]

I don't know about making Troi a regular, but I do think (as others - possibly you, RandyS, and perhaps maybe even me - mentioned way back when early in the thread), a visit or a few visits would have been nice so as to actually conclude the Troi-Worf romance rather than merely having it vanish without a trace and with no explanation or anything.

It was simply careless to chop off a relationship between two such important characters that way after such a long build up. I'm happy with the cast we ended up with on DS9, and I wouldn't really want Troi to replace any of them. (And I agree Siritis had her limitations as an actor, though she had improved a lot by the end of TNG.) But...it's just not right to have a relationship with so much build up that then disappears as though it had never happened. That's just sloppy. Common, sure, but still sloppy.

I can strongly recommend Peter David's Triangle, set in the gap between Generations and "The Way Of The Warrior".

It tackles the Troi/Worf relationship head-on--and as PAD himself noted, it helps explain exactly why Worf has the "whatever...I'm going to resign, anyway" attitude he displays in most of "Warrior".

It's a dang good book, too. But then...85-90% of PAD's Trek work tends to be dang good.

(And I agree Siritis had her limitations as an actor, though she had improved a lot by the end of TNG.)

I'm not convinced it was her fault as an actress, per se...simply that she's only as good as the scripts she's given. And the stuff she was given, counselor-wise, tended not to be that great....

 

[Tulaberry whine]

I don't know about making Troi a regular, but I do think (as others - possibly you, RandyS, and perhaps maybe even me - mentioned way back when early in the thread), a visit or a few visits would have been nice so as to actually conclude the Troi-Worf romance rather than merely having it vanish without a trace and with no explanation or anything.

Relationships on TNG tended to disappear without a trace but if we really needed to see what happened here I think it's up to the TNG writers to wrap up (at least a passing mention in one of the next gen movies).

I personally would have been annoyed to have Troi turning up on DS9 just to put a full stop on her relationship with Worf.

 

[DeepSpaceWine]

But she got better, when she got rid of revealing costumes and that enormous wig, and started to wear a regular starfleet uniform, and her empathic abilities got weaker.

Her empathic abilities are directly proportional to how much of her figure can be seen (not necessarily flesh; includes the contours). In a regulation uniform, it was the empathic equivalent of a burka or a fencing outfit.

And yeah, she would have been useless. She would have become Odo's #2 enemy, only a one way antagonism over her pedantic psychobabble, Quark wouldn't like her for being a goody two shoes, though she might stay out of Quark's given her previous contact with Ferengi. And the characters had better built in lie detectors that they didn't need a patented lie detector from Betazed. Plus, she's have to keep a straight face every time Sisko lies to others. "Captain, I sense you're lying".

Worf only worked for the combat aspect and Klingon relations. In terms of cavorting with the crew, he sucked, unlike his role on TNG.

 

[RandyS]

I don't know about making Troi a regular, but I do think (as others - possibly you, RandyS, and perhaps maybe even me - mentioned way back when early in the thread), a visit or a few visits would have been nice so as to actually conclude the Troi-Worf romance rather than merely having it vanish without a trace and with no explanation or anything.

It was simply careless to chop off a relationship between two such important characters that way after such a long build up. I'm happy with the cast we ended up with on DS9, and I wouldn't really want Troi to replace any of them. (And I agree Siritis had her limitations as an actor, though she had improved a lot by the end of TNG.) But...it's just not right to have a relationship with so much build up that then disappears as though it had never happened. That's just sloppy. Common, sure, but still sloppy.

I agree, we should have seen Troi on DS9 and have her comment on her relationship with Worf. In fact, at the time, Marina Sirtis herself said something to that effect of wanting to appear on DS9 "In order to give Worf and Dax a bad time". That's not a direct quote, but she said something like that.

As to their relationship suddenly dissapering, that's EXACTLY how I felt it got started at the end of TNG. I noticed no build up such as you mention. It was suddenly dropped into the end of TNG's seventh year, and I found that not only jarring, but confusing. Was there something I missed?

 

[Trek Survivor]

As to their relationship suddenly dissapering, that's EXACTLY how I felt it got started at the end of TNG. I noticed no build up such as you mention. It was suddenly dropped into the end of TNG's seventh year, and I found that not only jarring, but confusing. Was there something I missed?

Yes. From memory, "New Ground" planted the seed of a closer understanding between the two, which grew in "Ethics" (Worf asks Troi to look after Alexander should he did) and continued in "Cost of Living" and "A Fistful of Datas". At this point, it's just a closer relationship without necessarily being romantic (though I'd argue Worf asking her to look after Alexander should he die is pretty significant).

Fast forward to season 7, and we get "Parallels", where Worf sees a glimpse of what his life might be like with Troi in a parallel universe. He clearly kinda likes the notion, asking her to have dinner with him at the end of the ep...

In "Eye of the Beholder", things have obviously gone a little further as Worf is stumbling around, trying to find a way to ask Riker's permission. Troi is also attracted to Worf, as evidenced by her psyche creating the whole "jealousy" scenario from the psychic imprint (or whatever the hell happened).

We get a small side-step in "Genesis" (Randy primal Worf wants fish-Troi) and then into "All Good Things" and an almost-smooch outside the holodeck (thanks for the interrupt, baldy!)

So, I think the relationship was actually built up quite nicely.

Despite that though, I'm immensely relieved Troi never showed up in DS9. It's not the character I mind so much, but Sirtis can be a little unpleasant, and esp. was over DS9 (e.g. "Deep Sleep Nine"). I'm glad they didn't let her anywhere near the show!

 

[Rush Limborg]

^Is that what she called DS9?

SHEESH!

 

[Keith1701]

What if Marina Sirtis joined the cast of DS9 in Season 4 in addition to Dorn (Worf)? I guess they could have continued the Worf-Troi arch, and they probably wouldn’t have gotten Ezri as a counselor in S7. Of course, like Worf, they’d find a way to write her into FC and Insurrection. They could have downplayed or derailed Worf’s relationship with Jadzia too.

Great Idea....

 

[Takeru]

Despite that though, I'm immensely relieved Troi never showed up in DS9. It's not the character I mind so much, but Sirtis can be a little unpleasant, and esp. was over DS9 (e.g. "Deep Sleep Nine"). I'm glad they didn't let her anywhere near the show!

Everyone can be a little unpleasant and every member of this board dislikes parts of the franchise, so what's the big deal if Sirtis wasn't a fan of DS9? Tons of actors don't like shows they appear in, it's not a requirement.
Marina Sirtis is not just an actress, she's also a TNG fangirl, she has a lot in common with most of the fandom. "My series ist better than your series.LOL", she could be a board member, she'd fit right in.

Troi should have appeared on DS9, not as a regular, but I liked her and Worf's friendship in season 7, they should have wrapped up the relationship in one episode and then have Troi show up occasionally as one of Worf's buddies with Jadzia fuming in the background.

 

[Saxman1]

Form a geek standpoint, it would have been cool if Troi had done a guest shot on DS9 because she'd have tied wth Jonathon Frakes for having appeared in all the modern ST series (TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT).

 

[antiquityscion]

Why does everybody hate Troi?? Because she was the ship's counselor and not the captain?? Granted, she wasn't my favorite character either, but I never hated her. And, it's not like she's Trip (thank GOD for that!)

What? I don't get it.

Me neither. So what if she was eye candy? Every Trek show has it. I liked Troi, and thought she was beautiful.

I don't know about making Troi a regular, but I do think (as others - possibly you, RandyS, and perhaps maybe even me - mentioned way back when early in the thread), a visit or a few visits would have been nice so as to actually conclude the Troi-Worf romance rather than merely having it vanish without a trace and with no explanation or anything.

It was simply careless to chop off a relationship between two such important characters that way after such a long build up. I'm happy with the cast we ended up with on DS9, and I wouldn't really want Troi to replace any of them. (And I agree Siritis had her limitations as an actor, though she had improved a lot by the end of TNG.) But...it's just not right to have a relationship with so much build up that then disappears as though it had never happened. That's just sloppy. Common, sure, but still sloppy.

^ This. Thank you!

 

[The Dominion]

Troi is disliked because she was written as a bimbo a lot (but not all) of the time, when that didn't even necessarily suite her, and she had a marginal job that somehow gave her license to walk round like she was second officer and get promoted over Data. Plus, the only way she was made useful most of the time was by being an "emotion scan" which usually only went as far as telling the crew a Rommie captain "Is hiding something!"

 

[JustKate]

As to their relationship suddenly dissapering, that's EXACTLY how I felt it got started at the end of TNG. I noticed no build up such as you mention. It was suddenly dropped into the end of TNG's seventh year, and I found that not only jarring, but confusing. Was there something I missed?

Yes. From memory, "New Ground" planted the seed of a closer understanding between the two, which grew in "Ethics" (Worf asks Troi to look after Alexander should he did) and continued in "Cost of Living" and "A Fistful of Datas". At this point, it's just a closer relationship without necessarily being romantic (though I'd argue Worf asking her to look after Alexander should he die is pretty significant).

Fast forward to season 7, and we get "Parallels", where Worf sees a glimpse of what his life might be like with Troi in a parallel universe. He clearly kinda likes the notion, asking her to have dinner with him at the end of the ep...

In "Eye of the Beholder", things have obviously gone a little further as Worf is stumbling around, trying to find a way to ask Riker's permission. Troi is also attracted to Worf, as evidenced by her psyche creating the whole "jealousy" scenario from the psychic imprint (or whatever the hell happened).

We get a small side-step in "Genesis" (Randy primal Worf wants fish-Troi) and then into "All Good Things" and an almost-smooch outside the holodeck (thanks for the interrupt, baldy!)

So, I think the relationship was actually built up quite nicely.

Despite that though, I'm immensely relieved Troi never showed up in DS9. It's not the character I mind so much, but Sirtis can be a little unpleasant, and esp. was over DS9 (e.g. "Deep Sleep Nine"). I'm glad they didn't let her anywhere near the show!

That's "from memory," Survivor? Wow. Really good. I don't think you missed much.

Maybe I'm just not very sensitive or I have low standards or something, but I honestly do not much care what an actor says about a show - I care a little maybe, but not much. I guess I wouldn't want somebody who loathed Star Trek earning a living from Star Trek and whining all the way to the bank, but I don't mind if an actor from show A prefers that series to show B. It sounds pretty natural to me.

And you're welcome, Antiquityscion.

 

[DeepSpaceWine]

Me neither. So what if she was eye candy? Every Trek show has it. I liked Troi, and thought she was beautiful.

She was eye cake in "Phantasms".

 

[Trek Survivor]

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That's "from memory," Survivor? Wow. Really good. I don't think you missed much.

Maybe I'm just not very sensitive or I have low standards or something, but I honestly do not much care what an actor says about a show - I care a little maybe, but not much. I guess I wouldn't want somebody who loathed Star Trek earning a living from Star Trek and whining all the way to the bank, but I don't mind if an actor from show A prefers that series to show B. It sounds pretty natural to me.

Yep, far too much Trek in my head for my own good, clearly!

As for Sirtis' comments (also in response to Takeru) - it wasn't that she preferred her series over any other; that's kind of natural. It was that she was digging the heel in right from DS9's premiere at conventions. While others like Spiner and Frakes were saying things like "well, they've just started up; I remember how long it took us to find our feet", and generally being gracious and encouraging, Sirtis was labelling the show as boring and hard to watch, not as interesting as TNG etc.

To me, it just smacked of unprofessionalism. But hey, that's just an opinion.

I happen to like Troi the character, and Sirtis the actress as well. I just thought she could've conducted herself better on that subject.

 

[Saxman1]

Troi was HAWTin the Starfleet uniform. Not as HAWT as Crusher, but that's good enough for me! OINK!

 

[The Dominion]

Yes, she looked much better in uniform. She just looked ridiculous in the catsuit.