Was it wrong for Data to disable Lore?

[Gary7]

The plain facts are that Lore is a nearly identical copy of Data, with just different personality engrams. That being the case, Lore is extremely valuable. It would be a waste to destroy him. Better to do a complete reset of his positronic net and do whatever it takes to figure out if there was a physical issue that caused him to become psychotic. It could very well be that reprogramming would avert the degeneration from happening again.

 

[Trekker4747]

Unfortuantely the only person actually qualified to work on Lore to see what was "wrong" with him is Dr. Soong and he was dead.

(If I do recall, it was Soong's plan to get back to Lore to try and to mend his personality quirks but couldn't before the colony had to be evacuated.)

And we don't know that Lore's body wasn't sent to Star Fleet, perhaps Maddox, for study with the implicit condition that Lore not be re-assembled/re-activated.

 

[Vanyel]

Unfortuantely the only person actually qualified to work on Lore to see what was "wrong" with him is Dr. Soong and he was dead.

(If I do recall, it was Soong's plan to get back to Lore to try and to mend his personality quirks but couldn't before the colony had to be evacuated.)

And we don't know that Lore's body wasn't sent to Star Fleet, perhaps Maddox, for study with the implicit condition that Lore not be re-assembled/re-activated.

It may be possible to reactivate Lore's head, and leave his body disassembled. I don't remember if Data could control his body parts with his head unattached, but just in case the body parts could be stored in separate locations, at different facilities, with no one cybernetacist knowing the locations of all the parts, and the ones working with Lore's head would have no knowledge of where the parts are or of those who know any parts location. Yeah, it's overkill, but with Lore you can't be too careful. He could be studied safely, and perhaps fixed.

Other security measures could be: doors with a handle, full body scan that will unlock the door only if no cybernetic parts are detected, Lore's head facing away from the door, and in a box that'll allow for no movement of his head, battery power source, computer systems in the lab that are not hooked up to the main frame of the rest of the facility and that also require a body scan to operate, the computers in the room are not connected to environmental control (in essence the computer in the lab is completely isolated), the room is shielded from tricorder scans either entering or exiting the facility even when the door is open (Maybe even do away with the door and have only transporter access from the outside) and the computers, and any device brought into the lab, have no voice interface

Yes, it's all overkill, but Data has shown that he can interface with Federation computers through his head and can mimic voices. So, any possible way for Lore to take control of the lab, or piece of equipment, must be accounted for.

Damn, I AM a geek.

 

[JoeZhang]

Unfortuantely the only person actually qualified to work on Lore to see what was "wrong" with him is Dr. Soong and he was dead.

(If I do recall, it was Soong's plan to get back to Lore to try and to mend his personality quirks but couldn't before the colony had to be evacuated.)

And we don't know that Lore's body wasn't sent to Star Fleet, perhaps Maddox, for study with the implicit condition that Lore not be re-assembled/re-activated.

"Dear Cmd. Maddox,

remember that cool episode where Picard got to make a great speech and it was decided I wasn't property? No me neither - here's my brother to fuck around with as you please.

Your buddy,

Data.

P.S. Riker found out about you and troi."

 

[FordSVT]

That, and Kirk never bothering to check up on Khan like he was supposed to.

Which didn't make much sense, since you'd think McGivers' family would've demanded she be brought back for a fair trial or be checked up on.

The entire event, including Genesis and the Khan encounter, were likely classified. For all we know, Starfleet fed her family a load of bullshit and they have no idea what happened to her.

 

[Trekker4747]

Well, if you take the TOS interpretation of Starfleet as being "wagon train to the stars", McGiver's disappearance was probably regarded as nothing more than when someone died during a wagon-train of dysentery. Her disappearance likely being "accepted" as just the "dangers of space travel."

 

[Worf'sParmach]

I thought what Worf did to Kurn was disgusting, and what's worse they never had him reflect on it after he restored their House and their family was stronger than ever.

Though I agree that Worf erasing Kurn's memory without his knowledge was unethical (not to mention Bashir actually going along with it) Worf never restores their house. Worf joins the House of Martok and of course, that ends of being the best House in the empire once he makes Martok Chancellor. But he never restores the House of Mogh.

 

[RandyS]

No it wasn't. Lore was a nutcase and Data only did what was right.

 

[JarodRussell]

No it wasn't. Lore was a nutcase and Data only did what was right.

So all nutcases should be put in a coma?

 

[Deckerd]

Can you use human medical terminology on an android?

 

[RandyS]

No it wasn't. Lore was a nutcase and Data only did what was right.

So all nutcases should be put in a coma?

I didn't say that. We are talking about one FICTIONAL case.

I stand by my opinion.

 

[Anwar]

I thought what Worf did to Kurn was disgusting, and what's worse they never had him reflect on it after he restored their House and their family was stronger than ever.

Though I agree that Worf erasing Kurn's memory without his knowledge was unethical (not to mention Bashir actually going along with it) Worf never restores their house. Worf joins the House of Martok and of course, that ends of being the best House in the empire once he makes Martok Chancellor. But he never restores the House of Mogh.

Martok restored their House once he was Chancellor, didn't he?

 

[Worf'sParmach]

Martok restored their House once he was Chancellor, didn't he?

Martok was only Chancellor for a few episodes before DS9 ended and I don't remember him doing that. But, it gives me a reason to go re-watch! Though I would think that being a member of Martok's more powerful House is greater than being the sole member (well, he and Alexander) of his own.

 

[JarodRussell]

No it wasn't. Lore was a nutcase and Data only did what was right.

So all nutcases should be put in a coma?

I didn't say that. We are talking about one FICTIONAL case.

I stand by my opinion.

Of course, but it's a fictional scenario of a sentient being being put into a comatose state because he's a nutcase.

 

[Anwar]

He's not just a nutcase, he's a murderer and terrorist as well. And he's too highly functional, mental-wise, to be dismissed as "Innocent via insanity".

If they still want to imprison him, they can plug his head back on and stick it in a birdcage in an asylum somewhere.

 

[Alrik]

I thought what Worf did to Kurn was disgusting, and what's worse they never had him reflect on it after he restored their House and their family was stronger than ever.

Though I agree that Worf erasing Kurn's memory without his knowledge was unethical (not to mention Bashir actually going along with it) Worf never restores their house. Worf joins the House of Martok and of course, that ends of being the best House in the empire once he makes Martok Chancellor. But he never restores the House of Mogh.

Martok restored their House once he was Chancellor, didn't he?

Plus even though it wasn't on screen, but in keeping with Worf's character, I always figured Worf probably took Bashire with him to find Kurn, redo the process, and restore Kurn's identity to him, even though his past would still be lost. A simple line in WYLB to Martok indicating that he would be honored to accept, but first he must find his brother and set things right, would have be much more satisfying than the way it was left.

 

[Alrik]

If they still want to imprison him, they can plug his head back on and stick it in a birdcage in an asylum somewhere.

I like it! But instead of a cage, make it glass....Futurama style.

 

[Jerikka Dawn]

As far as I'm concerned, Lore was Soong's responsibility, and upon his death, he became Data's responsibility -- and with that responsibility was the right for Data to deactivate Lore since he was a threat.

I can't help but to see Data, Lore, Lal, B4, and Juliana Tainer as a family and a culture in its own right, yet still all a creation of Noonian Soong (albeit indirectly with regard to Lal). There is no doubt in my mind that Soong would want Data to take responsibility for Lore not just as Lore's brother, but as the shepherd of a culture of Soong type androids, and in my opinion that gives Data the right to deactivate Lore. And heck -- one of the most important aspects of this is that Lore wasn't killed. He was deactivated. A threat was disabled without killing it. That's the Data way and that's the Starfleet way.

What happens next? Does Lore get reactivated or studied? Does he get boxed? I have no doubt that had Data lived, he would have continued his father's work and tried to fix Lore -- because that's what Soong would want Data to do. It's a real shame that Data died, because he really was the only advocate for Lore. What's to stop Starfleet now from having Lore "stripped to his wires to find out what has gone wrong," probably damaging Soong's work further.

Forget Lore's momentary (in the timespan of an android's natural life) deactivation so Data could come back to him later and fulfill their father's promise to Lore to fix him. The biggest tragedy to Lore (and B4, and Juliana Tainer) is the loss of Data.

Data's Katra is in B4 though, so there's hope.

 

[Ghrakh]

He's not just a nutcase, he's a murderer and terrorist as well. And he's too highly functional, mental-wise, to be dismissed as "Innocent via insanity".

Yep. More, he was a complete traitor. Data's decision was made in time of "battle". We don't question someone shooting an enemy, and that's what Lore was at that point.

 

[usspicard]

Of course he did it because it had good reason for it.